| IVOD_ID |
168732 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168732 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T11:07:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T11:18:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f119c9f806397c868c10d96ca025fdcb7c4f2050ed7b2b649b10ab85f957d34f9a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳清龍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:07:54 - 11:18:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查(一)委員葛如鈞等20人及(二)委員黃健豪等18人分別擬具「電信管理法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。二、審查(一)委員陳雪生等23人及(二)委員傅崐萁等25人分別擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條及第五十八條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「有線廣播電視法第五十八條條文修正草案」案及(五)委員黃健豪等18人擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條及第五十八條條文修正草案」案。三、審查(一)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「廣播電視法第五條之一及第四十四條之二條文修正草案」案及(二)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「廣播電視法第四十四條之二條文修正草案」案。四、處理114年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管預算凍結案計13案。【開會事由一至三僅進行詢答；開會事由二第(五)案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】） |
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好 謝謝主席那在這裡我來邀請我們NCC的陳代理主委還有我們事務部的林部長好 請陳代理主委跟林部長 |
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好 首先我們就直接我們代理主委跟部長早那今天我想我們最重要的針對我們電信管理法的一個修法第36條的修法我相信今天早上我們陳代理主委也 |
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也回答了我們很多委員的質詢當然我們這個修法的提案那我們也都有了解那在這裡針對外國人的這樣的一個股本跟外國人的持股比例這些要求那我想我在這邊就直接問我們這個陳代理主委 |
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我們這邊的態度怎麼樣針對這個修法針對我們對這樣的一個可能對我們的國際通訊的這樣的一個開放我們的態度 |
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跟總召報告都是幾點第一點就是現行的條文如果沒有修正其實是可以操作的那如果說針對國家認定國安或者政府部門的需求的話其實可以另行比方說考量跟對方洽談土壁或土基就是government另外特別處理比方說採這個專用電信的話就完全不會是用36條用50條就可以處理 |
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第二個意見補充第三個意見補充是好那性情的條文跟如果要修正因為要考量這個數據主權跟國安等等我建議我們這邊是建議說還要多聽相關人的意見以上好 |
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那從我們主委這邊我們談到就是說其實這一部修法目前如果不送吧其實就現有的一個規定現有的條文應該就可以來容許我們這個國際的這樣的一個低軌衛星進入到我們台灣的市場對不對是 |
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應該沒問題所以目前事實上也有好幾個業者跟我們國內在配合嘛國內業者配合對,這總之目前的畫面上所顯示目前都是選現有的條文走進來帶台灣落地的對啊所以基本上有沒有修改條文等於說 |
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基本上不影響我們現有的國際衛星通訊進入台灣市場那如果依主委剛剛的意思如果有進一步的需要可能要再多聽多了解是不是真正的有這樣的必要對不對好那我在這裡我們第二頁好不好我要了解的 |
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那個我們下一頁簡報我們也知道目前整個最重要的一個微信通信系統最主要目前我們一般民眾啊擔心的是詐騙的問題嘛詐騙的問題那當然對對國家來講對我們來講國安的一個風險也是非常重要那今天如果 |
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我們對這個微信通信這樣的一個系統就剛剛主委所談我們沒有我們的一個國內我們的業者沒有我們的一個要求完全開放給外國國際進來這樣對整個國安的風險會有一個顯著的一個影響 |
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那就這樣我是在這邊再請我們主委您針對詐騙跟國安風險這兩個項目你們來做一個說明好不好是跟總督報告這個詐騙 防詐 |
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治安這一部分其實就涉及到說有本國業者參與的情況跟沒有本國業者參與的情況它的效率上的呈現出來就是不太一樣應該會不一樣嘛這個已經在這個平台那邊已經發現已經顯現那至於國安這一塊其實它是 |
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兩個面向它是互相矛盾的就韌性而言任何低軌衛星特別是這個STARLINK它是韌性最好的但是國安上呢國安上它其實另外一個面向它的第二代它其實可以在台灣它可以不用設基位不用設基位的話另外國安問題來了 |
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就是數據主權不在我們台灣這邊會是矛盾的現象那是矛盾 相互矛盾那這邊的部分我們從過去的經驗沒有國人的產育我們未來能夠來可控性我們就降低 |
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所以這一方面也請您評估那另外這樣的一個修法會不會違反我們電信管理建立制度的一致性我在這邊也提出這樣的一個建議就誠如剛剛主委所談我們目前的36條其實就可以來運行那如果為單一的一個廠商如果來 |
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調整開放那會不會違反電信建立制度的一致性那也會形成我們市場排擠還有我們所謂我們自己電信管理法我們自己所談的公平競爭原則所以我在這裡還是要建議有關於這個 |
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最近管理法36條是否修正了真的還要更加的審慎 多以評估那也要保障我們通訊的主權 這樣一定要去做到審慎的把關 完善的配套 而能降低我們剛剛談的不管是詐騙 不管是國安 這樣都能夠把風險來降低 |
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那在這裡我要再提一個另外一個主題就是我們現在我們有很多的一個民眾大家感受到非常困擾的就是偷拍 |
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偷拍這個狀況我們目前還想在網路搜尋成為一個關鍵字那透過真空攝影機來進行偷拍我們從今年從2月到現在我們已經有好幾個案子是涉瑞所謂的案件那我們民眾在我們政府的公共政策網路的參與平台也提案 |
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希望就真孔攝影機啊能夠來做源頭的管理那這個真孔攝影機啊我們一般業者都標榜齁它是經過我們NCC的審核尤其在我們網路平台在販售齁在平台在販售都是說經過我們NCC的審核這個合格那就變成合格 |
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就合法然後這個偷拍的風險就全民來承擔那我想說我們在審查這個是怎麼去審查NCC怎麼去審查是跟總統報告真孔攝影機大概分兩大類一個是無線一個是有線無線部分他會利用這個攝影頻率去傳 |
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那這一塊就有NCC的角色NCC在管啊那如果是有限部分那個是屬於一般商品一般商品的話即便是無限的話一般商品大概經濟部的BSMI就是標準檢驗局那邊也會有一些處理那如果源頭上要管制 |
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假設說全台灣有公司說這類產品就不要再製造了那恐怕就是相關這個商品的主管機關他如果取得說主管機關推到經濟部就會有色品的部分還是在我們這邊那網路平台現在在販賣在購買非常的方便 |
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我想我們速發部這邊也針對網路平台這邊的販售我想今天在這邊提出來是希望我們包括NCC包括我們速發部能夠針對這樣的一個無限的真空攝影機這樣在平台的 |
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這個方便的購買販售那也看到了我們審查合格既然我們有審議有審查我們應該是不是兩個部會啊做一些探討討論來檢討我們現在的制度可能不能就來反映民意來溯源來管理啊這個部分我想說請我們代理主委跟部長這邊做一些研究好不好 |
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沒有問題我們會找相關部會來討論原則如何來處理好 以上謝謝兩位 |