| IVOD_ID |
168720 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168720 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T11:08:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T11:20:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1ec3abced5647909e63685f3e6e8cff854f2050ed7b2b649bd104b08215f3295d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:54 - 11:20:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席就「我國海域放射性物質監測執行現況及未來因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、審查（一）委員萬美玲等19人擬具「原子能法部分條文修正草案」案。（二）委員葉元之等19人擬具「原子能法部分條文修正草案」案。（三）委員羅廷瑋等19人擬具「原子能法部分條文修正草案」案。【僅進行詢答；第(三)案，如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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主席好 麻煩請主委有請主委 謝謝主委好 委員好 |
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這個昨天因為有一些反核團體去跟總統見面那當然他們是不希望重啟核電不過我看有一些與會者他轉述賴總統的話感覺上賴總統是還蠻朝向重啟核電的角度去說啦 |
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他說因為他考量到電力供應不如預期就是符合社會缺電的擔修還有說核安技術現在比較能夠掌握了然後另外就是AI未來用電大增所以應該要重新思考核電 |
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其實我看到賴總統願意這樣講我們真的感到很高興因為過去幾年都是在野黨一直在強調說可能會缺電然後應該要重啟核電可能會有空污的問題或者是可能會電價上漲電力的韌性等等但一直因為民進黨就一直反對啦還常常在噴口水啦怎麼核廢料放你家這些最後終於賴總統 |
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他也願意理性的面對這個重新重啟核電問題我覺得很高興那我相信賴總統這樣一講像包括核安會主委您或其他的政務官就可以更理性的面對這個議題不像以前我記得我們在問核安會主委有關於核電的議題的時候都是左閃右閃就都不敢講 |
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您的前一任主委那時候問他說到底河南安不安全他說有發生事情就是不安全沒發生就是安全有講跟沒講一樣每個都變語言天才那我想跟這個主委先請教一下賴總統說現在河南技術可以掌握他是指哪一個部分 |
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我不確定你不確定他講什麼核安技術是一直在進步之中過去40年他講的是傳統的核電還是新式核電新式核電傳統核電因為新式核電它的安全也是逐年都在改進傳統也是逐年都在改進對 逐年都在改進 |
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那我想請教一下那您自己的立場呢你是不是贊同賴總統所講的你覺得核電到底對於讓電價穩定有幫助嗎 |
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看財電公佈資料確實是有幫助有幫助是比較便宜嗎我看到資料上對於電價是有幫助電價可以比較穩定不會一直漲嗎是的甚至於如果未來核電的供應可以比較多的話那電價也可以更低一點沒問題嗎 |
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這點恐怕台電去發明這個資料比較多由他們來回答比較適合然後再來就是用核電應該好處很多嘛比如說可以降低排碳量嘛對吧因為他們有不需要排碳嘛對吧是然後用電也比較穩定嘛至少比再生能源穩定嘛因為再生能源不是基載的嘛有時候要看天吃飯嘛核電應該是比較穩定嘛對吧核電是可以視為基載基載嘛那既然 |
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主委你都認為使用核電或者是我們重啟核電有那麼多的好處我認為核安會除了被動的監管之外我覺得應該更積極的促成這件事情那現在因為台電已經在三月底的時候送出再運轉計畫了那核安會現在正在審嘛 對吧 |
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那早上的時候主委你也有講一些你們審的程序啊比如說把意見啊大家先書面審查然後讓他上網公告嘛然後會實際上去看嘛然後還會邀請外部的學者什麼之類的那你有提到說因為安全關係沒有辦法加速審查但對於這件事這句話我覺得啦有沒有辦法在符合安全的情況之下加速審查這兩個沒有衝突啦 |
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我舉例來講譬如說你現在是要在五月中的時候開第一次會議嘛審查會議嘛五月中嘛對不對那五月中通常政府機關運作是這樣啦開完會然後可能要台電補報告或什麼什麼會有一個程序對不對其實你可以在每一次跟每一次開會的中間你可以縮短開會的時間 |
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或者是你在安排會議的時候你可以盡量縮短比如說你請外部專家來開會可能要開好幾次一兩次兩三次大家針對上一次的會議再來討論你可以縮短開會的時間我們行政院有很多其他的部會在審查比如說地方提出來的計畫的時候常常開會因為案子很多所以第一次會議跟第二次會議差到半年 |
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那它其實也不見得是因為這個案子的問題而是因為案子很多以至於針對某一個案子它排比較久那假設核安會你把核二核三核三的再運轉計畫當作一件事情來做的話你其實可以透過縮短行政流程的方式來加速審查的時間那主委你同意嗎 |
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所以核安會它的效益方面一直都很注視而且我們很有信心的說我們核安是很有效率的很有效率所以我覺得盡快啦好不好就針對剛剛大家也講了嘛核電現在重啟的話好處這麼多總統也有顧慮啊電力供應不如預期啊那核安會就比較被動的好像台電有資料來你就看一看再排會議其實你們可以多跟台電合作 |
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去跟他講說趕快大家一起來促成讓合二合三重啟這件事情啦我的意思是這樣啦不知道主委可以嗎合二合三的溝通是非常順暢 |
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順暢是順暢啦順暢是不要不會吵架我是說叫你積極的跟他說趕快補資料啊你缺什麼甚至於說不要文件來了這樣退啊有的時候大家可以一起講說你有什麼事情怎麼做可能會更快一點站在協助的角度去跟他講嘛 |
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對那這樣子可能那個進程可以再縮短啦好然後再來就是你們現在4月28號要去恆春舉辦地方說明會對吧對主委您不會去嘛對吧我沒有去那因為之前 |
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就是民進黨一直在講非核家園就把核都妖魔化了所以現在有非常多的人都反核啦那還有就是有些民進黨立委還是依然反核譬如說像屏東在地立委莊瑞雄就反核嘛他就是說核三已經為台灣貢獻四十年放了他的故鄉啦因為重啟核三 |
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就好像打開潘朵拉的盒子啦反正就是反對然後譬如說像現在在選新北市長的舒巧惠也都是一直呼籲啦在叫大家拒絕重啟河山所以我是提醒環會啦你去開說明會的時候可能還是會依然遇到非常多反對聲音那你有預期你們準備的計畫或者是你要去跟地方怎麼溝通的你的重點是什麼提點溝通舒巧惠的好了 |
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跟委員說明主要還是針對台電公司先提出來的再運轉計畫這部分那包括台電公司再運轉計畫整個的規劃那也會說明河岸會自己本身針對再運轉計畫的審查規劃規劃你們的規劃對譬如說是什麼譬如說因為我們是依法跟有審查導者那依照再運轉計畫的審查導者審查的重點擺在哪裡 |
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那讓民眾也知道說會裡面的關心的點跟外部委員都會介入來加入所以你們是希望讓在地的民眾知道說在河岸這一塊你們一定會把關你們的審查是非常嚴謹的然後如果在地的民眾有提出一些疑慮比如說哪個部分他覺得你們沒有做好你們會積極跟他們回應就是你們還是會站在把關的角度 |
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就提醒你們去可能會遇到剛剛一些狀況然後另外因為那個主委你之前也有提過你說因為非核家園的關係所以讓我們的核工人才流失所以現在應該要積極的回聘跟培訓那我們現在根據台電的說法因為它的有關於核電廠的人才是 |
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是沒有都一直還是保留著啦並沒有因為說核二核三現在沒有在運轉就把他們辭退或什麼都仍然保留但有一個重點就是欲缺不補啦所以他還是有可能會造成一定人才的流失那這個部分我有看到 |
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河安會好像也有跟教育部去申請就是留學補助的名額但我覺得那個名額有點好像太少了我們來看一下像這個爭取這個名額是根據賴總統五大信賴產業的這樣的一個計畫去申請的可是像其他這個是五大信賴產業其他產業 |
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申請人才的名額就比較多比如說像有關AI的你就可能跟他申請10個10個留學國家的公費補助的名額然後像資通訊也是10個那半導體5個可是呢核子工程相關的就只有3個那核子工程相關其實核子工程它還包括不是只有完全是核能安全啦還有核能研發比如說核融合技術啊核能系統等等 |
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那你以這樣子來講主委你認為我們的河工人才夠嗎這個這個留學的名額過去十年河工這個學名是零了對就零啊你有講到嗎因為之前非核嘛所以就斷層啊現在只剩下三個當然我們留學的管道不只是公費留學這個地方還有個人設計獎人金還有 |
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以前台電曾經有台電獎學金還有其他的單位也送人出國所以不單是公費留學這條路而已出國留學當然有很多條路但我們就這條路來看人數就比較少啊所以你認為說除了這個之外其他的台電獎學金或是自費的其他加一加現在人是夠的是不是 |
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我們只能繼續努力吧希望創造條件讓大家願意走上這個領域所以這個是教育部核定你的名額是不是教育部核定名額那你當初申請幾位我就申請三位所以你申請就比較少啊你不是有設限嗎我們也逐步增加啦從零到三是很大的跳躍那為什麼你當初只有申請三個 |
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691.91 |
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707.244 |
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不是 你不能跟之前比嘛因為之前就非核家園嘛現在要重啟核電了嘛而且還有新式核能啊你不能跟以前非核家園的時代比啊政府政策也轉彎了我們會逐步增加啦會逐步增加好 謝謝 |