| IVOD_ID |
168719 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168719 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T10:59:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T11:12:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1b9f4c96d2335ff93f38d440c98c629e74f2050ed7b2b649bd6989c2027b9690b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:59:39 - 11:12:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請環境部部長、國家科學及技術委員會、交通部、經濟部、內政部、農業部、衛生福利部、國家發展委員會就「我國氣候變遷調適現況檢討與全球調適目標接軌之推動情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算案。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款環境部主管部分預算。
四、審查環境部函送財團法人環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人115年度預算書案。
【預算案僅詢答，115年4月30日下午5時截止收案】
【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答】
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席那我請部長跟水利署有請彭部長、水利署水利署副署長副署長蘇惠美濤好法定來現在在心理上我有幾個問題要請教你第一個水質改善的問題那你現在今年的水質改善你預算編 |
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0.83億,這麼少喔?你知不知道?我知道,我知道以東港市為例,每天站二、三兩下,一天抽水抽氣,羈庸 |
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工藥用?還是民生用?不知道啦,都有啦一天二十萬噸那整個東港溪它的長度差不多八十幾公里沿途流是滴液是什麼,這樣一堆你都沒在解釋你的水質改善的KPS是什麼,是怎麼弄還是放料農啊 |
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跟委員報告我們水質改善的重點是在嚴重污染策戰的解嚴也就是說從嚴重污染策戰能夠降低到輕度中度污染策戰那過去呢我們已經從九十一年整治一年開始六十六個嚴重污染策戰那現在已經降低到去年的最新資料已經降低到了兩站 |
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我想屏東一直以來是我們的一個重點所以我們接下來剛才提到的這個107號變遷縣市館河川的一個經費的編列也謝謝水利署這邊的統籌那在水質改善水環境這邊基本上我們今年有編了大概五億 |
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我看115到118年的治水計畫當中你這個水質改善也占不到3%占不到3%那一直強調就是水利署的水利工程提防加高、抽水站那也沒有去要改善水質這一塊那如果這樣的話這個河川整治只是為了防洪這些 |
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那你譬如說東港溪作為備用水源這個實質的效率是不是要放棄掉那因為你東港溪現在的水質是比較好啊啊你把土去供口口聲聲說我們要做江峽用水李鳳山水庫那到底有沒有挪到民生用水去我在想有可能會mix在一起啦所以我第一個問題就是 |
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水質改善的經費要寬裂這樣太少了啦你全國那麼多主要核酸好像二十幾條你用水質改善再減一個八千幾萬我沒有辦法接受報告委員大概一年五億多啦五億多啦 |
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5億4千多萬那個是另外的品項那個跟委員報告那個在水利署跟我們環境部經濟部環境部還有農業部那基本上在行政院有政委在協調成立一個水及流域的永續推動的一個行動計畫那這個計畫向下其實我們也有在針對東港溪的一個特性最水質的一個影響最重要的是畜牧業的一個污染的影響 |
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那所以畜牧業的一個處理呢其實我們也有報一個計畫給國安院裡面在這個行動計畫向下呢我們會爭取對於這個畜牧業的一個改善那最重要就放在他的這一個源頭的一個減量甚至可以集中處理之後呢做我們講的這個生殖能的一個找去中心然後呢他的一個找家找藝能你們譬如說農業部跟你們是有在跨部會有在合作吧有嗎還是各做各的 |
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包委員那個我說明一下齁你剛剛說的是八千多萬齁那個是我們本部的啦齁那因為因為採劃法之後我們有二十億大概切到一般性的補助款那裡面呢大概有四億一千七百多萬所以加起來大概五億多啦我們也是有啦欸阿只不過就是採劃法過後就是說因為去年委員給我好好念就是說那個我們的預算齁去年我們本部往下掉今年整整體增加了七Percent啦七Percent我們有努力啦還不夠啦欸 |
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對啦,環境部的預算太少了啦,應該要增加大幅寬裂啦好,第二個問題,我們到處都在蓋抽水站、堤防加高像我們鋼塞,鋼塞在抽水站,一邊是在抽水,另外一邊鋼塞整個村都很假的所以前兩天想要運水的就是鋼塞村 |
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做抽水站,為港塞穿鴨進來抽水站連久失修每次做大水,每次都要一大堆的抽水機在那邊擺在大馬路旁邊每一次都要去關心那這個抽水站本身維護費等等是蠻龐大的水利署現在是怎樣處理 |
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因為那是屬於地方管的抽水站就是區域牌的抽水站都是縣政府管的那我們對於縣政府的這個抽水站他們維護的會用是他們自己要處理的但是他如果抽水站有需要更新改善我們就有請他們列到我們的整個計畫就是縣市管河川的那個計畫再來協助他們 |
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建制是你們建制沒有建制就是說以前建制就是我們會補助他們做但是他屬於經常性維護的話事實上是由縣政府再來處理也就是說他們由他們自己的預算來處理如果說將來整個抽水站因為年久失修需要更新改善的話那他可以報計畫給我們我們會再來協助 |
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他們現在都從旗下到外流就做一個滯洪池就做一個抽水站一四個都要做抽水站有一點像歐洲的荷蘭 |
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到處都是等等等DAM那這樣是釜底抽薪的方法嗎這第一個第二個到處都是等都是站然後抽然後這個東西要有專人管理還有那些機械的東西顧攏會派 |
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維修有沒有到位洪水來 大水要來 颱風要來到底有沒有辦法發揮功能這個是我們比較關心的環境部理事要扮演什麼角色 |
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我們未來如果說調試的部分他們現在是由水利署主責水及流域的計畫是他們主責我們跟他們在他們大的計畫裡面那我覺得未來他們算是氣候變遷調試的一環那我們會跟他們協助說未來像委員提到的整體的規劃是不是要有更好一點點那是不是請副署長回答那我想整個 |
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屏東因為他有比較地勢比較低也就是說他的地都可能比海平面還低了那變成說水下來了以後那他變成要排出來就變成要靠機械抽排那另外一個就是不然就是做自容池來或是做淨流分擔除流管制的方式來把水暫存在土地上那我想 |
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水屬對於這個地化地區的一個治水的一些治理的方式也都有在調整那我目前大概都會推在地製紘跟一個淨油分擔或是出流管制來搭配來做那我想做抽水站都是最後所不得不也是比較快的方式沒有錯但是後續我們也會協助縣政府來就整個抽水站的部分怎麼讓他更完備因為每年我們大概都有在協助縣政府在檢查他們的抽水站是不是有完整那對於淹水改善就會有幫助 |
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所以你這個職責是下放給縣市政府自己平常就要維修自己要keep function就對了第一個那是他們自己主管的當然就是依照地方制度就是他們自己要來維修來維護好再來第三個問題多元垃圾處理你編的5億4990萬那 |
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屏東就掩埋場就有三個嘛,東港、東寮跟遠村那我們的葫蘆就一個是崁頂嘛那這樣的話這三個掩埋場到底現在的功能好像越搞越糟糕然後你的KPI是怎麼樣?署長 |
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報告委員,現在它的掩埋廠還是有一些空間當然它的焚化廠目前運作也慢慢有效率有提高整個KPI我們還是希望它對於整個自己屏東地區的垃圾處理能夠自主大概是這樣子 |
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因為我們最近有補助他們有一個轉運的東西因為上次有颱風有毀壞我們有一些補助那也希望說因為目前其實屏東他在這個裸露的垃圾處理還蠻有成效的但是這個未來也蠻想活化如何處理我們會來再大力的加強協助 |
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599.238 |
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617.69 |
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我稍微再補充一下感謝委員那個屏東最主要可能就是小琉球地區的垃圾轉運那委員很關心那這個部分在經費上面委員的支持我們也有籌到經費給予支持以上好謝謝那再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
620.412 |
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628.315 |
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經濟部搞了十幾億還是億多的促銷袋要出來市面上你們這邊是在減速 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
636.021 |
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你剪塑膠袋 做塑膠袋只有一個塑膠袋打個仗塑膠袋都扯不清我們這邊還是減塑啦就是說我們現在大概已經有超過70幾家的企業這個願意大型的企業都是提供塑膠袋然後我們正在媒合那現在這個已經越來越多了我據我所知已經有幾十萬個塑膠袋不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
661.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
680.138 |
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我們不是塑膠袋是環保袋紙袋已經可以供市場上運用我們希望把它變成一個長期的措施啦那經濟部呢他們做那個塑膠袋用因為增產儀器因為我們的那種手提式塑膠袋台灣已經不做了都是進口來的那當然例如說中國他已經這個 |
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自己都不夠了所以它馬上就會斷掉我們這邊的量所以我們只好經濟部請這個中油趕快來台塑趕快來做這些事情那我們還是覺得趁這個機會好好推減塑啦阿目前這個經濟部這一次提供的好幾億個這個塑料袋是那種用disposable的還是就是所謂的一公斤是手提式的就是我們去市場拿拿的那個用好就丟掉還是還是環保袋其實不是環保袋就是一次性的啦 |
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711.361 |
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那當然一次性的那個也可以用很多次啦所以我們是希望說趁這個機會因為的確因為有一個因為台灣有時候民眾是很敏感的一覺得說可能會恐慌每個人都去買結果每個人去買就把這個存量全部都吃光光所以現在的確我們也發現說很多人都反映塑膠袋漲得很嚴重啦所以我相信經濟部是在穩定的穩定這個物價穩定大家不要不方便所以經濟部的觀念就是讓你不要叫 |
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740.248 |
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就趕快增加增產然後來迎合市面上的需要是那你們的立場是我們是希望減碩因為未來我相信這個塑膠工業未來會推動的話其實這個會的確會有更強大的法律會要求每一個國家好還有問題啊但是時間到了主席站起來了再接著問謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-22T10:59:45.288000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-22T10:59:49.409000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝主席，我請部長跟水利署副署長。 |
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0.812 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-22T10:59:50.409000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T10:59:52.470000+08:00 |
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有請彭部長、水利署。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-22T10:59:52.470000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-22T10:59:54.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
蘇委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-22T10:59:54.490000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:00:15.872000+08:00 |
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部長，今天要審預算，我有幾個問題要請教你，第一個，水質改善的問題，今年的水質改善你預算編0.83億，這麼少喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-22T11:00:15.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-22T11:00:16.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
你知不知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-22T11:00:16.472000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-22T11:00:16.593000+08:00 |
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我知道。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-22T11:00:16.653000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-22T11:00:43.691000+08:00 |
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以東港溪為例，東港溪在新園那裡，每天抽水到高雄做工業用還是民生用不知道，都有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-22T11:00:44.531000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-22T11:00:46.332000+08:00 |
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一天20萬噸。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-22T11:00:46.512000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-22T11:01:01.120000+08:00 |
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整個東港溪的長度差不多八十幾公里，沿途有養豬的、養什麼的一堆，你的水質改善的KPI是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-22T11:01:01.120000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-22T11:01:01.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
是怎麼弄？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-22T11:01:02.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-22T11:01:02.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
還是放著讓它爛？ |
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0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
王司長嶽斌 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-22T11:01:05.345000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-22T11:01:22.915000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我們水質改善的重點是在嚴重污染測站的解嚴，也就是說從嚴重污染測站能夠降低到中度污染測站，過去我們從91年整治元年開始有66個嚴重污染測站，去年的最新資料已經降低到2站。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王司長嶽斌 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-22T11:01:24.196000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-22T11:01:41.435000+08:00 |
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我想屏東一直以來是我們的一個重點，所以我們接下來，剛才提到因應氣候變遷縣市管河川的經費編列，也謝謝水利署這邊的統籌，在水質改善、水環境這邊，基本上我們今年編了大概5億元。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-22T11:01:42.736000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-22T11:01:56.979000+08:00 |
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我看115到118年的治水計畫當中，你這個水質改善也占不到3%，部長，占不到3%，然後一直強調水利署的水利工程啦！ |
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0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-22T11:01:58.219000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-22T11:01:58.819000+08:00 |
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堤防加高啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-22T11:01:59.279000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-22T11:01:59.799000+08:00 |
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抽水站啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-22T11:02:01.039000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-22T11:02:17.823000+08:00 |
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也沒有要改善水質這一塊，如果是這樣的話，河川整治只是為了防洪這一些，那你東港溪作為備用水源，這個實質的效率是不是要放棄掉？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-22T11:02:18.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-22T11:02:32.967000+08:00 |
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因為東港溪現在的水質有比較好，你把它抽去高雄，口口聲聲說要做工業用水，在鳳山水庫那裡，但到底有沒有挪到民生用水去？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-22T11:02:33.267000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-22T11:02:44.862000+08:00 |
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我在想也有可能會mix在一起，所以我第一個問題就是水質改善的經費要寬列，這樣太少了啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-22T11:02:45.602000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:02:56.407000+08:00 |
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你全國那麼多主要河川，好像有二十幾條，你的水質改善才占八千多萬，我沒有辦法接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-22T11:02:56.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-22T11:02:58.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
報告委員，大概一年五億多啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-22T11:02:58.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-22T11:02:59.108000+08:00 |
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因為我們整體上的經費…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-22T11:02:58.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-22T11:03:05.991000+08:00 |
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那個是另外的，五億四千多萬那個是另外的項目。 |
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0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
王司長嶽斌 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-22T11:03:06.932000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:03:51.702000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，在水利署跟我們環境部……經濟部、環境部還有農業部，基本上在行政院有政委在協調成立一個水及流域永續推動的行動計畫，在這個計畫項下，其實我們也有針對東港溪的特性，對水質影響最重要的是畜牧業的污染，所以畜牧業的處理我們也有報一個計畫給院裡面，在這個行動計畫項下我們會爭取對於畜牧業的改善，最重要是放在它的源頭減量，甚至可以集中處理之後做我們講的生質能沼氣中心，然後它的沼渣、沼液能回填。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-22T11:03:52.523000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:03:57.787000+08:00 |
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譬如說農業部跟你們是有跨部會在合作吧？是。有嗎？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-22T11:03:57.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-22T11:03:58.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
還是各做各的？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-22T11:04:00.492000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:04:05.514000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我說明一下，你剛剛說的八千多萬，那個是我們本部的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-22T11:04:05.995000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:04:15.239000+08:00 |
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因為財劃法之後，我們有20億切到一般性的補助款，那裡面大概有四億一千七百多萬，所以加起來大概五億多，我們也是有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-22T11:04:16.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-22T11:04:24.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
只不過就是財劃法過後，因為去年委員在唸說我們本部的預算往下掉，今年整體增加了7%。7%。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-22T11:04:25.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-22T11:04:26.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我們有努力啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-22T11:04:26.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-22T11:04:26.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
還不夠啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-22T11:04:27.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-22T11:04:31.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
對，環境部的預算太少了，應該要增加、大幅寬列。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-22T11:04:32.706000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:04:47.691000+08:00 |
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好，第二個問題，我們到處都在蓋抽水站、堤防加高，像港西那個抽水站，一方面要抽去當自來水，另外一方面港西整個村都很低，所以新園鄉最會淹水的就是港西村。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-22T11:04:53.430000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-22T11:05:10.574000+08:00 |
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做抽水站，從港西村那裡下來再抽去東港溪，那個抽水站年久失修，每次「做大水」，每次都是一大堆抽水機擺在大馬路旁邊、每一次都要去關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.719 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-22T11:05:11.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-22T11:05:15.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
這個抽水站本身維護費等等是滿龐大的，水利署現在是怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-22T11:05:15.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-22T11:05:23.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
放著讓它爛嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳副署長建成 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-22T11:05:23.038000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-22T11:05:41.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
因為那個是屬於地方管的抽水站，區排的抽水站都是縣政府管的，所以我們對於縣政府的抽水站，維護的費用是他們自己要處理，但是如果抽水站有需要更新改善，我們就請他們列到縣市管河川那個計畫再來協助他們，每年我們也都有去檢查。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-22T11:05:45.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-22T11:05:46.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
所以建置是你們建置？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳副署長建成 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-22T11:05:46.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-22T11:05:57.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
沒有，以前建置就是我們會補助他們做，但是它屬於經常性維護的話，事實上是由縣政府再來處理，也就是說由他們自己的預算來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳副署長建成 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-22T11:05:58.282000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-22T11:06:03.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
如果將來整個抽水站因為年久失修需要更新改善的話，它可以報計畫給我們，我們會再來協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-22T11:06:06.208000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-22T11:06:26.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
部長，他們現在都一條溪到尾端就做一個滯洪池、就做一個抽水站，到處都在做抽水站，有一點像歐洲的荷蘭，到處都是Dam、Dam、Dam，這樣是釜底抽薪的方法嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.735 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-22T11:06:26.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-22T11:06:27.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
這第一個。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-22T11:06:27.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-22T11:06:39.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
第二個，到處都是Dam、都是站，然後抽，這個東西要有專人管理，而且那些機械的東西久了都會壞，維修有沒有到位？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.809 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-22T11:06:40.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-22T11:06:45.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
洪水來、大水要來、颱風要來，到底有沒有辦法發揮功能？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-22T11:06:46.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-22T11:06:51.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
這個是我們比較關心的，環境部在這裡是扮演什麼角色？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-22T11:06:52.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-22T11:07:04.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
未來如果說調適的部分，現在是由水利署主責，水及流域的計畫是他們主責，我們在他們大的計畫裡面，我覺得他們算是氣候變遷調適的一環啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-22T11:07:04.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-22T11:07:11.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
未來我們會來協助他們，像委員提到整體規劃是不是要更好一點點，是不是請副署長回答？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
陳副署長建成 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-22T11:07:11.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-22T11:07:25.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我想屏東因為地勢比較低窪，也就是說它的地可能都比海平面還低，所以水下來了以後，它要排出來就變成要靠機械抽排。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳副署長建成 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-22T11:07:25.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-22T11:08:03.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
另外一個，不然就是做滯洪池或是做逕流分擔、出流管制的方式來把水暫存在土地上，我想水利署對於低窪地區治水的一些治理方式也都有在調整，我們目前大概都會推在地滯洪、逕流分擔或是出流管制搭配來做，我想做抽水站都是最後不得不，也是比較快的方式沒有錯，但是後續我們也會協助縣政府來就整個抽水站的部分怎麼讓它更完備，因為每年我們大概都有在協助縣政府檢查他們的抽水站是不是有完整，對於淹水改善就會有幫助。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-22T11:08:04.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-22T11:08:12.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
所以你這個職責是下放給縣市政府，自己平常就要維修、自己要keep function就對了？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳副署長建成 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-22T11:08:12.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-22T11:08:19.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
第一個，那是他們自己主管的，當然就是依照地方制度法，他們自己要來維修、來維護。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-22T11:08:19.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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2026-04-22T11:08:46.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
再來，第三個問題，部長，多元垃圾處理你編了5億4,990萬，那屏東的掩埋場就有3個，東港、枋寮及恆春，我們的焚化爐只有一個崁頂，這樣的話，這3個掩埋場現在的功能好像越搞越糟糕喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-22T11:08:47.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-22T11:08:49.231000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
然後你的KPI是怎麼樣？署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
顏署長旭明 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-22T11:08:53.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-22T11:09:13.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
報告委員，現在它的掩埋場還是有一些空間，當然它的焚化廠目前運作的效率也慢慢地在提高，至於整個KPI，我們還是希望它對於自己屏東地區的垃圾處理能夠自主，大概是這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-22T11:09:13.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-22T11:09:19.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
好，部長要不要補充？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-22T11:09:19.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-22T11:09:24.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
沒有、沒有，就是說我們最近也有補助他們一個轉運的東西，因為上次的颱風有毀壞，我們有一些補助。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.78 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-22T11:09:26.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-22T11:09:36.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
其實目前屏東它在裸露的垃圾處理還滿有成效的，但是未來掩埋場的活化如何處理，我們會再大力地加強協助。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.787 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
顏署長旭明 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-22T11:09:38.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-22T11:09:40.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我稍微再補充一下，也感謝委員啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
顏署長旭明 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-22T11:09:41.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-22T11:09:53.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
屏東最主要可能就是小琉球地區的垃圾轉運，委員也很關心，這個部分在經費上面有委員的支持，我們也有籌到經費給予支持，以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-22T11:09:54.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-22T11:09:56.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-22T11:09:56.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-22T11:10:23.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
再來，經濟部搞了十幾億還是一億多的塑膠袋要出來市面上，你們這邊是在減塑，部長，你要減塑膠袋，它要做塑膠袋，光是一個塑膠袋，打個仗連塑膠袋都扯不清。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-22T11:10:24.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-22T11:10:25.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我們這邊還是減塑啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-22T11:10:26.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-22T11:10:32.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
現在已經有超過七十幾家的企業願意，大型的企業喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-22T11:10:32.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-22T11:10:47.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
都是提供環保袋，然後我們正在媒合，現在已經越來越多了，據我所知已經有幾十萬個環保袋、紙袋可以供市場上運用，我們希望把它變成一個長期的措施。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-22T11:10:48.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-22T11:11:12.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
經濟部他們做塑膠袋，增產乙烯，因為手提式塑膠袋臺灣已經不做了，都是進口來的，例如說中國他自己都不夠了，他馬上就會斷掉我們這邊的量，所以經濟部只好請中油、台塑趕快來做這件事情，不過我們還是覺得趁這個機會好好推減塑啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.888 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-22T11:11:13.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-22T11:11:14.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
目前這個大概…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-22T11:11:14.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-22T11:11:20.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
經濟部這一次提供好幾億個塑膠袋，是那種disposable的，還是…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-22T11:11:21.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-22T11:11:25.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
就是所謂的1公斤手提式的，就是我們去市場拿的那個。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-22T11:11:25.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-22T11:11:27.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
用完就丟掉還是環保袋？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-22T11:11:28.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-22T11:11:45.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
其實不是環保袋，就是一次性的，當然一次性的也可以用很多次，所以我們是希望趁這個機會，因為臺灣的民眾有時候是很敏感的，一覺得可能會恐慌，每個人都去買，結果每個人去買就把存量全部都吃光光。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-22T11:11:46.525000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:11:55.427000+08:00 |
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現在的確有很多人跟我們反映說塑膠袋漲得很嚴重，所以我相信經濟部是在穩定物價、穩定大家不要不方便的方式做。 |
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0.816 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-22T11:11:55.887000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:04.250000+08:00 |
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所以經濟部的觀念就是讓你不要叫，趕快增加、增產，然後迎合市面上的需要。是。 |
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1 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:04.570000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:05.511000+08:00 |
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那你們的立場是？ |
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1 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:06.251000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:14.754000+08:00 |
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我們是希望減塑，因為我相信這個塑膠公約未來如果推動的話，的確會有更強大的法令來要求每一個國家。 |
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0.841 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:16.535000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:19.216000+08:00 |
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好，我還有問題，但是時間到了，主席站起來了。 |
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0.944 |
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彭部長啓明 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:19.216000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:21.257000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝委員。 |
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0 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:21.257000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:21.577000+08:00 |
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再接著問，謝謝。謝謝。 |
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0.75 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:22.077000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:24.934143+08:00 |
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謝謝蘇清泉委員的發言。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:25.234143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T11:12:28.377000+08:00 |
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接下來請黃秀芳委員發言。 |
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0 |