| IVOD_ID |
168719 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168719 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T10:59:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T11:12:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1b9f4c96d2335ff93f38d440c98c629e74f2050ed7b2b649bd6989c2027b9690b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:59:39 - 11:12:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請環境部部長、國家科學及技術委員會、交通部、經濟部、內政部、農業部、衛生福利部、國家發展委員會就「我國氣候變遷調適現況檢討與全球調適目標接軌之推動情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算案。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款環境部主管部分預算。
四、審查環境部函送財團法人環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人115年度預算書案。
【預算案僅詢答，115年4月30日下午5時截止收案】
【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答】
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席那我請部長跟水利署有請彭部長、水利署水利署副署長副署長蘇惠美濤好法定來現在在心理上我有幾個問題要請教你第一個水質改善的問題那你現在今年的水質改善你預算編 |
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0.83億,這麼少喔?你知不知道?我知道,我知道以東港市為例,每天站二、三兩下,一天抽水抽氣,羈庸 |
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工藥用?還是民生用?不知道啦,都有啦一天二十萬噸那整個東港溪它的長度差不多八十幾公里沿途流是滴液是什麼,這樣一堆你都沒在解釋你的水質改善的KPS是什麼,是怎麼弄還是放料農啊 |
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跟委員報告我們水質改善的重點是在嚴重污染策戰的解嚴也就是說從嚴重污染策戰能夠降低到輕度中度污染策戰那過去呢我們已經從九十一年整治一年開始六十六個嚴重污染策戰那現在已經降低到去年的最新資料已經降低到了兩站 |
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我想屏東一直以來是我們的一個重點所以我們接下來剛才提到的這個107號變遷縣市館河川的一個經費的編列也謝謝水利署這邊的統籌那在水質改善水環境這邊基本上我們今年有編了大概五億 |
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我看115到118年的治水計畫當中你這個水質改善也占不到3%占不到3%那一直強調就是水利署的水利工程提防加高、抽水站那也沒有去要改善水質這一塊那如果這樣的話這個河川整治只是為了防洪這些 |
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那你譬如說東港溪作為備用水源這個實質的效率是不是要放棄掉那因為你東港溪現在的水質是比較好啊啊你把土去供口口聲聲說我們要做江峽用水李鳳山水庫那到底有沒有挪到民生用水去我在想有可能會mix在一起啦所以我第一個問題就是 |
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水質改善的經費要寬裂這樣太少了啦你全國那麼多主要核酸好像二十幾條你用水質改善再減一個八千幾萬我沒有辦法接受報告委員大概一年五億多啦五億多啦 |
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5億4千多萬那個是另外的品項那個跟委員報告那個在水利署跟我們環境部經濟部環境部還有農業部那基本上在行政院有政委在協調成立一個水及流域的永續推動的一個行動計畫那這個計畫向下其實我們也有在針對東港溪的一個特性最水質的一個影響最重要的是畜牧業的一個污染的影響 |
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那所以畜牧業的一個處理呢其實我們也有報一個計畫給國安院裡面在這個行動計畫向下呢我們會爭取對於這個畜牧業的一個改善那最重要就放在他的這一個源頭的一個減量甚至可以集中處理之後呢做我們講的這個生殖能的一個找去中心然後呢他的一個找家找藝能你們譬如說農業部跟你們是有在跨部會有在合作吧有嗎還是各做各的 |
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包委員那個我說明一下齁你剛剛說的是八千多萬齁那個是我們本部的啦齁那因為因為採劃法之後我們有二十億大概切到一般性的補助款那裡面呢大概有四億一千七百多萬所以加起來大概五億多啦我們也是有啦欸阿只不過就是採劃法過後就是說因為去年委員給我好好念就是說那個我們的預算齁去年我們本部往下掉今年整整體增加了七Percent啦七Percent我們有努力啦還不夠啦欸 |
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對啦,環境部的預算太少了啦,應該要增加大幅寬裂啦好,第二個問題,我們到處都在蓋抽水站、堤防加高像我們鋼塞,鋼塞在抽水站,一邊是在抽水,另外一邊鋼塞整個村都很假的所以前兩天想要運水的就是鋼塞村 |
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做抽水站,為港塞穿鴨進來抽水站連久失修每次做大水,每次都要一大堆的抽水機在那邊擺在大馬路旁邊每一次都要去關心那這個抽水站本身維護費等等是蠻龐大的水利署現在是怎樣處理 |
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因為那是屬於地方管的抽水站就是區域牌的抽水站都是縣政府管的那我們對於縣政府的這個抽水站他們維護的會用是他們自己要處理的但是他如果抽水站有需要更新改善我們就有請他們列到我們的整個計畫就是縣市管河川的那個計畫再來協助他們 |
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建制是你們建制沒有建制就是說以前建制就是我們會補助他們做但是他屬於經常性維護的話事實上是由縣政府再來處理也就是說他們由他們自己的預算來處理如果說將來整個抽水站因為年久失修需要更新改善的話那他可以報計畫給我們我們會再來協助 |
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他們現在都從旗下到外流就做一個滯洪池就做一個抽水站一四個都要做抽水站有一點像歐洲的荷蘭 |
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到處都是等等等DAM那這樣是釜底抽薪的方法嗎這第一個第二個到處都是等都是站然後抽然後這個東西要有專人管理還有那些機械的東西顧攏會派 |
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維修有沒有到位洪水來 大水要來 颱風要來到底有沒有辦法發揮功能這個是我們比較關心的環境部理事要扮演什麼角色 |
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我們未來如果說調試的部分他們現在是由水利署主責水及流域的計畫是他們主責我們跟他們在他們大的計畫裡面那我覺得未來他們算是氣候變遷調試的一環那我們會跟他們協助說未來像委員提到的整體的規劃是不是要有更好一點點那是不是請副署長回答那我想整個 |
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屏東因為他有比較地勢比較低也就是說他的地都可能比海平面還低了那變成說水下來了以後那他變成要排出來就變成要靠機械抽排那另外一個就是不然就是做自容池來或是做淨流分擔除流管制的方式來把水暫存在土地上那我想 |
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水屬對於這個地化地區的一個治水的一些治理的方式也都有在調整那我目前大概都會推在地製紘跟一個淨油分擔或是出流管制來搭配來做那我想做抽水站都是最後所不得不也是比較快的方式沒有錯但是後續我們也會協助縣政府來就整個抽水站的部分怎麼讓他更完備因為每年我們大概都有在協助縣政府在檢查他們的抽水站是不是有完整那對於淹水改善就會有幫助 |
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所以你這個職責是下放給縣市政府自己平常就要維修自己要keep function就對了第一個那是他們自己主管的當然就是依照地方制度就是他們自己要來維修來維護好再來第三個問題多元垃圾處理你編的5億4990萬那 |
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屏東就掩埋場就有三個嘛,東港、東寮跟遠村那我們的葫蘆就一個是崁頂嘛那這樣的話這三個掩埋場到底現在的功能好像越搞越糟糕然後你的KPI是怎麼樣?署長 |
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報告委員,現在它的掩埋廠還是有一些空間當然它的焚化廠目前運作也慢慢有效率有提高整個KPI我們還是希望它對於整個自己屏東地區的垃圾處理能夠自主大概是這樣子 |
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579.798 |
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597.597 |
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因為我們最近有補助他們有一個轉運的東西因為上次有颱風有毀壞我們有一些補助那也希望說因為目前其實屏東他在這個裸露的垃圾處理還蠻有成效的但是這個未來也蠻想活化如何處理我們會來再大力的加強協助 |
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599.238 |
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617.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我稍微再補充一下感謝委員那個屏東最主要可能就是小琉球地區的垃圾轉運那委員很關心那這個部分在經費上面委員的支持我們也有籌到經費給予支持以上好謝謝那再來 |
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620.412 |
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628.315 |
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經濟部搞了十幾億還是億多的促銷袋要出來市面上你們這邊是在減速 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
661.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
你剪塑膠袋 做塑膠袋只有一個塑膠袋打個仗塑膠袋都扯不清我們這邊還是減塑啦就是說我們現在大概已經有超過70幾家的企業這個願意大型的企業都是提供塑膠袋然後我們正在媒合那現在這個已經越來越多了我據我所知已經有幾十萬個塑膠袋不是 |
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661.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
680.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我們不是塑膠袋是環保袋紙袋已經可以供市場上運用我們希望把它變成一個長期的措施啦那經濟部呢他們做那個塑膠袋用因為增產儀器因為我們的那種手提式塑膠袋台灣已經不做了都是進口來的那當然例如說中國他已經這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
710.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
自己都不夠了所以它馬上就會斷掉我們這邊的量所以我們只好經濟部請這個中油趕快來台塑趕快來做這些事情那我們還是覺得趁這個機會好好推減塑啦阿目前這個經濟部這一次提供的好幾億個這個塑料袋是那種用disposable的還是就是所謂的一公斤是手提式的就是我們去市場拿拿的那個用好就丟掉還是還是環保袋其實不是環保袋就是一次性的啦 |
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739.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
那當然一次性的那個也可以用很多次啦所以我們是希望說趁這個機會因為的確因為有一個因為台灣有時候民眾是很敏感的一覺得說可能會恐慌每個人都去買結果每個人去買就把這個存量全部都吃光光所以現在的確我們也發現說很多人都反映塑膠袋漲得很嚴重啦所以我相信經濟部是在穩定的穩定這個物價穩定大家不要不方便所以經濟部的觀念就是讓你不要叫 |
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762.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
就趕快增加增產然後來迎合市面上的需要是那你們的立場是我們是希望減碩因為未來我相信這個塑膠工業未來會推動的話其實這個會的確會有更強大的法律會要求每一個國家好還有問題啊但是時間到了主席站起來了再接著問謝謝 |