| IVOD_ID |
168703 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168703 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T10:29:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T10:39:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1761190bb752715e863812774c6aab6afdfea45507174d079252e743352ce73015ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:29:05 - 10:39:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 請工部長林委員好 |
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部長過去大陸透過了貿易壁壘的調查以及檢驗我們的產品為由對我們壓迫了農產品跟工商產品的出口近期內我們看到大陸 |
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提出了這個十項會台的措施希望能夠重新的釋出這個善意那前天我們全國商總特別也為了此事開了這個記者會呼籲政府能夠以產業的發展跟人民的福祉為本正面的來回應大陸但是我們經濟部卻是擺出了非常強硬的態度認為我們台灣 |
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經濟已經走出自己的路了照這樣子的看法部長是不是你們就認為說台灣是有本錢完全能夠放棄中國大陸這個貿易的關係不是我們沒有要放棄跟中國的經貿關係 |
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是分散這個多元市場的開發因為大陸是我們出口的第二大的國家佔了我們26.64%所以我們在這種情形之下當然剛剛部長都提到了我們還要做的就是要分散風險但是產業的新生也請你們要去聽產業希望 |
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他是希望你們能夠永續健康的來讓我們的貿易關係啊可以尋求一個可行的方式這很重要吧所以你這樣來繞去也擺脫不了這個關係啊畢竟是第二大出口國家所以我們不是說刻意的要跟他斷絕關係沒有這樣的意思是說我們要多一點市場的開發比如說像我們之前對美談判的時候我們也希望就是說廠商可以開發歐洲市場 |
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所以我們也希望你們也可以回應我們產業的心聲啦重視一下正式產業的心聲好不好來輔導他們可以走上國際更好的競爭力好不好那剛剛提到說我們要分散風險跟拓展多元的這個佈局要協助我們產業走出這個一些可以獨立在有新的這個立基點 |
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所以我們政府是最關鍵目前要準備的課題那尤其是在2024年的時候我們經濟部有提出境外觀內的觀念在2024年的年底的時候在捷克就成立了台灣的貿易投資中心的正式的接牌這個境外觀內現在就是有四個國家了對不對境外觀內對 境外的這個服務中心那最近 這今年有沒有在要在其他國家要提出 |
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這個台灣貿易中心投資的貿易中心美國應該會增加美國會增加喔因為美國這麼大就是我們廠商去那邊有投資我們要就近服務啦那個聚落慢慢形成了我們就會在那邊成立一個服務中心來服務我們的台商所以除了美國還有哪裡 |
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原來就是波蘭嘛然後還有捷克嘛 歐洲就是波蘭 捷克第一個就成立啦 捷克也會再增加嗎沒有就是捷克一個嘛 已經有四個啦 我說會再增加就是美國一個嗎美國會再增加 其他的地方呢 |
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目前是目前是美國會再增加一個就這樣子目前而已我們希望能夠多一點海外的投資服務的中心給他們一站式的服務輔導他們在國際上的競爭能夠有利基點那尤其是這個境外關內在 |
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之前郭志輝部長的時候他就提到了而且他有提到說就是菲律賓我們要投資到產業園區那這個事情的話在當年的時候就已經很多的準備工作都到了最後的評估那今年二月的時候我們經濟部還有說會繼續推動但據我的了解部內的人來說可能暫緩了請問是什麼原因 |
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沒有現在是我們上次主要是工種還蠻有興趣的那我們就是跟工種有去一趟菲律賓來考察那在菲律賓會繼續推動嗎會 |
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會 這個也有可能會跟美國那為什麼部內的人說暫緩了不推動了我們跟美國也會共同的來合作那你們內部人不動作也不做了那你部長在這邊說要做那是不是內部要先監討一下多元市場的開拓我們都可以所以部長要去了解你們內部人告訴我已經暫緩不做了 |
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你要去瞭解喔 不然你這邊一頭熱在做 你內部人都停擺不住對 我來瞭解一下 應該還是會持續因為最重要是這個境內 這個我們的境外官內的工作可能這個名字是不是叫境內官外 怕誤解 但是好 都是會是用境外官內啦到了您的廣播長要換一個名字 我們也不介意啦反正他的實質作為就是我們在海外共同的要換名字而已啦 是不是 |
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有這麼重要一定要換名字嗎不是就是海外開拓這個產業園區這個部分是一定會去做的是繼續做名稱換過而已啦對您的意思到你就要換一下名稱啦好 |
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重要業務要去繼續的推展在4月20號的時候美國他用呂宋島他們就要成立一個那個產業園區你知道嗎我知道他4月20號有公布所以我們希望我們趕快的我們要繼續推動因為我們希望說這個在菲律賓設立這個產業園區的話可以讓我們強化跟美國跟東協國家的經濟連結這是很重要的是不是很關鍵的所以要繼續推動 |
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好不好那接下來就是我們要提到的因為 |
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中國大陸要報復美國的這個高關稅的所以宣布12月這個稀土要管制出口後來說要延一年的時間要延長一年的時間那延長一年時間但是我們知道這個稀土是我們無人間很重要的這個材料而且也是我們在軍事跟我們民生領域上運用非常多的所以這稀土很重要我們應該要有一個機制就像儲備的機制 |
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讓我們的稀土能夠不要斷炊不要沒有這個稀土那我們溫能機的整個工業會會受到很大很大的影響是不是是所以我們現在已經請供應院因為他這個公斤級的這個產線大概已經有試煉過已經成功對那我們現在要把他這個產能可以擴大擴大所以好 |
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所以說目前我們每年需要的稀土量是1500公斤嘛工研院研究說現在他用稀土回收的方式稀土回收是一部分一部分而已對一部分其他還是要用原礦進來是所以因為這個稀土需要高純度的提煉出來這個稀土所以這個 |
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如果技術方面的話還要請工研院盡量的科技上可以再提升一點但是在去年10月的時候部長你這邊有表示說2030年之前可以讓我們稀土的自給率可以達到30%在今年的2月喔你又提說在2029年這個國內的稀土自給率可以達到50%部長請問一下 |
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經過三四個月你就可以從30%提升到50%那你說這不是工研院的技術提升那是什麼原因沒有 這個就是我們就是把目標提高了啦目標提高 做得到嗎 要得到嗎因為工研院跟我們承諾說可以工研院承諾 對那工研院請出來一下是技術提升了嗎沒有 它主要是產能的擴大產能 它產能在哪裡來呢 |
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產能不是不是你只要有原料進來因為我們這個原料工廠限制完成我們大部分的九成的稀土都在大陸進來對不對那現在未來我們會從美國是不是礦源的部分可以多元從美國加拿大澳洲未來是在美國對不對美國有澳洲也有可能加拿大也有多元的國家會進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
525.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
539.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
您知不知道稀土有很多種的稀土那無人機的稀土也不一樣喔美國雖然說有很多種的稀土的項目但是我們要的是無人機的那美國會供應嗎美國它自己的量夠嗎原來它是一個原礦嘛原礦我們做的是精煉的部分那這個精煉你原礦進來供應就可以提煉出來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
551.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
552.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
請問工研院一下你技術到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
557.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
569.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
部長剛剛很有信心說你們的產能可以提高到50%我跟委員報告一下現在目前的目標我們現在目前的這個實驗線是年產5噸5000公斤那現在是經濟部要support我們在2028年會完成年產量500噸稀土的那個市產線那會繼續開發那個製程技術到了2030年會完成年產量500噸的工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
584.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
604.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
那連材料500噸的稀土可以做成1500噸的磁鐵跟委員報告一下那現在主要是我們技術師的提供機會讓工業研發的那主要三個兩個主要元素都是為了磁鐵其中一個是那個Neonidium另外一個是Disposium主要是這兩個啦這兩個是做磁鐵用的謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
606.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
616.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
所以部長 所以我們應該趕快的把這個儲備的制度建立起來 才能夠去應應這個迅速萬變的這個國際情勢 好不好 好 謝謝好 謝謝如玲委員 |