| IVOD_ID |
168688 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168688 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T10:01:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T10:11:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1f410521377ee067ca31e0b39ac3e37f8dfea45507174d0798ce2492c85169a165ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:01:02 - 10:11:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分。（僅詢答）
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管非營業基金－作業基金：（僅詢答）
（一）國軍退除役官兵安置基金。
（二）榮民醫療作業基金。
（4月22日及23日二天一次會）） |
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好 謝謝主席 麻煩主委待會有 待會好 主委謝謝這個待會問完真的千萬不要過來握手戰慾有加 好不好我先請教第一個問題我們當然好不容易拖了那麼久開始進入預算的審查所以第一個就叫一個預算項目 |
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我們在退伍府會的國際退伍軍人事務交流其實很重要退伍軍人交流像我們國軍將領跟日本的退役將領那個叫局媒會還是媒局會其實這是很好的外交上的一個互動那我看本席特別注意到你們在2025年編列的預算是474萬那交流的國家呢有你們那時候名列出來是五個國家啦 |
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那接下來到2026年也就是今年度國家你們在說明欄上面只剩下三個國家預算呢沒有減少還是474萬我第一個問題是請教主委我們確認是交流只剩這三個國家嗎 |
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跟委員報告這上面列的表是完全正確的我們今年為什麼做這個調整因為我們第一個是騎乘美國還是三大退協為主然後增加太平洋區的一個退伍軍組織太平洋區所以美國嚴格來講應該是算四趟每一趟的騎乘有不一樣有做調整人次也會增加那第一島鏈主要是菲律賓 |
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那個美國啦或者是日本啦菲律賓這個還有的我先不問啦因為少了兩個國家交流嘛第一個我能理解就是我們的預算年度坦白講我們就算預算通過這個年度大概已經過一半了啦就是很順利通過到五月份三讀通過到你們開始動枝呢 |
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我們財政年度過了一半結果預算的執行呢這時候才給你確實會有一些問題所以我的問題是說你的預算額度並沒有減少可是國家少了兩國為什麼泰國跟韓國被拿掉了出了什麼問題我們是太平洋地區以第一島鏈為主所以是以日本跟菲律賓為主然後跟委員報告的我們日本可能去了很多單位 |
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有增加 就這三國增加的量是是是但是你還是沒有告訴我韓國跟泰國原來有在交流尤其我們退府會我們在泰北那裡我們曾經有農場我們一個伯伯在那裡他過世的時候親王還為他這樣辦喜我們以前在泰北的農場做得還不錯啊那為什麼現在泰國跟韓國被拿掉了我還是沒有聽到答案我不到處長給您報告 |
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委員好,我是輔照處處長,因為我們今年以這個預算我們還是把它重點是放在這個美國三大退協跟日本跟菲律賓,那有關這個到菲律賓跟到泰國的價錢費用差沒有那麼多啦,那坦白講如果有必要474萬變520萬 |
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都可以接受你還是沒有回答我泰國跟韓國出什麼問題不能講不方便講我就尊重那裡有沒有什麼事情我們下去以後再檢討今年的預算因為去年後來你們預算我沒有意見我現在是在想項目韓國有沒有展示互動上的不便或不友善沒有泰國呢 |
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報委我們下去再跟您報告好了那就是不便講嘛是是是因為你們繞來繞去我就不再講你們額度問題因為那兩個國家被擺明的拿掉泰國我們的我們是有農場在那裡嗎農場現在我們還有沒有工作跟我們交流的農場有交流的農場嗎 |
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然後我們以前太北孤軍其實我們以前有一些人在那裡後代當然那邊啊 時代變遷等等所以泰國被拿掉 韓國被拿掉應該是有故事啦那你們不方便講我就不為難主委了啦會後會後對啊 我也為難你 待會不跟我握手 |
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好我們下一個下一個是我曾經質詢我現在要追蹤這個事情這跟北榮就有關係了謝謝北榮我們重粒子的癌症治療在精準醫療跟化療的最後一塊拼圖在醫療界這是很重要的 |
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很多人把這視為不幸罹患癌症最後特殊那幾種癌症救命的一個方式所以它很貴一個療程可能就幾百萬它非常貴所以幾乎都是自費那我上次問的重點有兩個第一個因為它貴可是花人民納稅的人建制我印象北榮這個重粒子癌症治療中心是全球第14座嘛所以它是世界上它也有稀有性但我們很不希望 |
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像我父親是癌症過世的那我們家境不好但我們不希望在治療癌症 |
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成為財富變成生命的分界點 懂我意思嗎就不能因為沒錢我就醫不起我有錢我就能醫得起 這個不好所以當時我看到你們安排是有2%的醫療量能要讓這些低收的減免我那時候提出來2%實在太少了我們建置這一個重粒子治療中心都是人民的納稅錢 |
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變成你們的基金變成什麼但總是供款所以2%太少了我一直希望能夠增加對於一些收入沒那麼富裕甚至不用完全減免對於一般所得的有一些折扣對於中低收入的給予減免那我們也希望中低收入或一般所得的永遠健康用不到最好但他要用到的時候我們有一定的百分比那你這2% |
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適度來增加這第一個命題第二個命題是我們的農民農卷 |
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應該要另外你現在這2%的減免是把榮民農券放在裡面所以那個院長應該印象我上次有問這一題就榮民農券是我們退福會照顧的對象萬一需要的時候他應該有一個項目的減免就幾百萬的是一般自費但對榮民農券我雖然不是中低收入戶可是我一般所得坦白講要拿幾百萬去做中立子也不一定負擔得起所以榮民農券的減免優惠要一套 |
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然後對於一般納稅人 一般民眾的減免有另外一套 |
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你們現在經過快一年了,你們歸號怎麼樣?報告委員,讓我報告一下先說明這個費用是從幾十萬到一百,最貴的只有一百六十萬那它的...它是一個完整療程?一個完整療程,最多就一百六十萬,看疾病的類別不一樣那比方去年一年呢,它的收入是三億五千萬左右但營運成本是五億,一年平均要虧一點五億 |
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那這個建制22.5億是來自民間的幫忙企業界的幫忙剩下22.5億是來自榮總醫療作為基金那這個呢我們已經很努力縱使以後三班24小時運轉一年至少還在賠1億那但是我們收費其實是每一個治療都是在賠錢其實我們在醫療上很少用賠錢來計算就是生命是無價的啦但是呢如果要算的話健保也在虧嘛 |
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醫療我比較不期待用這樣來算我們用其他科部的稍微一點英語來補貼這個事情這個方案有沒有新的做法針對農民農卷 針對一般民農卷報告委員現在2% 現在還有8個名額我們過去用了5個 5個有一個是農民那這個是中立子不是每一個人都需要我們很多人要求中立子我們評估這個健保就夠了他針對的癌症別有差異嗎專門的癌症別 |
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那不要用大砲打小鳥OK我建議我們北榮或者我們退府會多宣導既然你說名額還沒用完我們希望每個人健康可是當他需要的時候有這個優惠的名額讓他那等到用到不足我們再來討論增加那我們南部有沒有計畫來增設一座 |
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如果有醫院願意加入做功德賠錢行列我都很歡迎醫院都在做功德啦所以醫院都是免稅的對不對我們高榮要不要設一座高榮跟文報現在有一個粒子治療設備的一個平均小組你現在看這個醫療資源分配北榮有 |
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那中國醫藥大學輻射醫院他要設一座花蓮慈濟也要設幾座他們有計畫啦可能機器還沒有買啦看到我們賠很多他們在考慮沒關係我會到衛房委員會去問那我意思是說南部連計畫設置都沒有 |
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那醫療資源不應該有城鄉差距啦我們高榮要不要爭取在南部設置一座否則我知道有一些人舟車勞頓那用到重粒子其實都已經蠻辛苦的高榮有沒有計畫謝謝 報告委員謝謝委員的一個指導從委員去年那個時候諮詢的時候我們醫院裡面在這半年當中大概開過12次會開始很努力在評估那目前4月份的話會把我們粒子的治療會把評估報告開始送到輔導會 |
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現在因為他要衛福部的一個平和啦我上次質詢是10月8號問的嘛我們現在提出來那也許我們退輔會或者衛福部大家思考南部要不要設一個那特別高榮的部分你們直升機降落的困難點 |
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當時院長跟總統有交代我覺得那邊要否則澎湖啊離外島要用直升機後送就已經緊急了結果還要停小港機場再偶爾從小港到高融然後那個高速公路那邊都在塞車不理想你們旁邊那個要設置停機坪 |
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或者樓頂加鋼構增加停機的可能性你們方案趕快提出來因為院長當時我在現場嘛院長是認為應該要做你們不只是服務高雄連澎湖的後送都是你們這裡所以這個後送的停機坪附近有一塊軍區的地或者你們的屋頂你盡快把方案提出來趁院長這個承諾還在有在規劃有在規劃謝偉 |