| IVOD_ID |
168670 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168670 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T09:35:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T09:46:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1747fb7fa3973d0c463812774c6aab6af29d978cd518bf59485564259685e84df5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:07 - 09:46:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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好,謝謝主席,有請這個經濟部工部長部長 |
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部長早我想在這個地方來講我稍微因為經濟部所屬預算很多我大概先把部的這些的預算稍微仔細去把它整個整本看完 |
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那我大概看出來大概就是說我們舊部來講的話歲出的月薪115年是大概464.85億大概增加了167.53因為你之前是那個部本部有1000億的那個台電的撥補扣掉那個之後那當然這當中可能科技專案的一個增加的一個幅度大概有302.49億 |
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那當然這其中我們大概鎖定的領域包含機器人Age AI無人化的創新等等也包含IC設計領航的更新這邊 |
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那稍微再把它整個再掃一遍的話大概有幾個成長幅度比較多的我剛才列出來也給部長參考包含我們的科技專案那研發測試及藥品國產非營業特種經濟作業一般行政我是覺得還好就是說因為可能但是我是覺得公務人員好像減少這個剩下的公務人員負擔會很重這個公參 |
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那就其中這幾個的話我稍微再往下去把它追到就是這個科技的研發就是我其實不反對但是如果從你的預算書這邊下來的話好像在法人這邊就是我們經濟部有巴拉法人還有這個小人 |
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那工研院大概這個預算基本上來講的話增加了26.93那金工大概他們兩個來講的話所佔的一個成果收入比例應該是算比較多的啦 |
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那我的意思也沒有說他們兩個做不好因為這牽扯到一個問題因為有一個大法人不見了然後當你要擴增科技的法人科專補助的時候那你可能就會落到像公民醫院我們的大哥身上那個南部的進攻那這不是不好但是我是覺得可能要幫其他小法人說說話 |
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稍微要分散一下資源或者是公園院來做一個大阿哥做一個立的整合型的然後來做一些資源預算的分配這個請教部長跟市長的看法都可以好不好是我們現在的做法就是這樣就是現在有一個競爭力的輔導團的一個計畫那就是由公園來做主政但是所有的法人通通要參加而且分區域對那個太少啦 |
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我說有一些關鍵研發 你像訪研所啊 對不對或者是像這一個 雖然支撐我已經不知道你們的法人嘛或者是像這一個其他的不管是生技啊 對不對 食品加工就是說因為工業涵蓋很多領域啦所以在各個領域當中的研發著這一個關鍵技術可能就請我們的郭師長好好再locate 說明一下就好了 |
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跟委員報告那確實在公園業在我們的科技預算裡面它佔比它達到46 per person 確實是最高的那也是因為有一些比較長期的任務會希望公園業來做執行 而且是同和所有的發展 |
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所以我們在施工業在張院長的帶領下齁那也跟這個都明白我們節省時間你知道我要表達的是什麼就是說我們需要是說各個領域的法人我知道委員的意思了解謝謝那 |
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也沒有對公園不慶啦就是基本上我是希望說大家是團結合作然後讓這個小法人這些來講各有其專長領域那業學界的話呢我是也支持雖然它預算的暴增當然你所訂的這些的一些題目但是可能外界可能比較會擔心的尤其啦就是說是不是就是某些特定的產業或特定的一些廠商 |
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那這一陣子我接到比較多的就是在國際研發中心這一塊也就是我們補助美光設這些研發中心什麼等等但是這樣子我們本土的比如說南亞華邦電我覺得這一點他們會有點不太服氣雖然你南亞科後來也有補但是我覺得這一點的政策 |
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以後可以稍微考慮一下因為他們也實在是很有錢了啊外商也不需要我們啊所以我這個建議是可以以本土的科技本土的廠商的研發這樣子的設計為主啦好不好這我請郭師長回去了不用現在回答回去好好研究一下好那接下來的話呢這個是因為長年我都待在其實我比各位可能都熟啊 |
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那現在各個計畫這個資源切開稅第一個是我們部裡面我們有技術師產發署做一堆東西不管是AI機器人無人機IC設計應該也涵蓋了技術師跟這個產發署那這個是部而已所以我是希望部長將來在統籌的時候就是不管無人機尤其現在是無人機然後這些晶片那我覺得這個東西部要統籌一下因為不然到時候 |
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這個整個總體就算是部長要扛那部長有這個東西之後還要再去跟跨部會不管是國科會書發布這些東西的會診不然的話我們在審預算的時候我們一定就會覺得說你們很多都是什麼 |
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分工不均對不對然後這個預算科目會重疊預算重複資源的投入那到時候我們要救者比如說有功勞的時候到底算誰的失敗的時候算誰要救者還是 報告委員還是有一些區分啦即便我們部裡面來講的話比較屬於技術端的部分那這個是技術師要負責但是跟產業比較結合端的部分那個是我們產業發展署在負責所以才還是有 |
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有技術上有上游跟下游的關係更早那個是就是國科會在負責那個非常學術界的研究那個就是因為這都十幾年的老問題這個講我都會講 |
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所以我的意思就是說好好的去把這一個就起碼我也認識你們也都知道我的個性也知道我都很清楚所以比如說我們扎扎實實把國家的預算做到正確的地方那現在我比較擔心的其他這個我想就跳過去了因為像這個藥我是想說這個東西早就以前也有在做那又多了預算可能將來我們再看預算的時候你們的成果會是什麼 |
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然後這個產發產業園區的這個60億循環專區的基金因為它現在60億啊蠻高的我想要問一下這個是是大林埔千村主要是那個對就是要為了千村編這個預算OK好那可能在後面的預算執行再詳細說明一下這樣就好好不好 |
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因為想說突然暴增這麼多那另外一個想要跟這個部這邊的話好像是吳文基這裡喔因為吳文基在過去審計部在做這個審查你們經濟部相關的預算113年的時候我記得是在就是他認為在2024年底這幾個非導控籌載通訊晶片設計到2024嘛 113這個還是一個瓶頸那114 |
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一是去年應該有做一些東西了現在這些技術的缺口是不是有補起來對現在我記得應該是希望2027年是不是把它補起來這樣子就是說晶片的開發或等等的一些情況因為我為什麼會這樣問就是說因為這個地方的話你們編了很多的預算 |
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無人化創新科技這講給全國觀眾聽都很奇怪無人化創新科技無人化多元應用關鍵研發測試場域這次也是那個無人載叫無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫因為它有分成幾個部分無人化的部分一個部分就是場域的建設包括在這個嘉義的這些都是無人機還是無人車還是無人船還是 |
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主要是無人機的部分所以無人機這邊的話全部都是無人機但是現在無人船也有場域我現在就是說這幾個都是無人機 |
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目前來講主要是無人機比較多因為他都編不同計畫的名字他不一樣一個是場域的開發一個是科技上的補助然後另外當然還有就是就是我們各部會有一個統籌型要買無人機那個預算 |
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對 所以我的意思說這可能在上面因為我們在審預算的時候就是這個很confuse就是你到底這邊全部都是無人機還是無人載具因為無人載具又更廣嘛 對不對所以到底是focus是什麼可能將來在預算我們在執行的時候我們這樣也比較容易追績效跟追這個成果因為如果你的一些關鍵技術沒有起來那你這些的場域然後你們號稱輸出國際這些 |
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對不對這個行政院副院長講很多書書我就搞不懂啦那既然關鍵技術這還沒起來那你的輸出國際跟一大堆的採買要飛鴻供應鏈這當中是怎麼銜接啊 |
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因為現在可以輸出的話當然裡面有一些晶片當然是用國外沒有錯但是我們現在是整機是可以出口的很多廠商他已經整機那我們本土化的這個自製我們會比例是多少對那就是剛剛那幾項的這個晶片還沒有過那個晶片不是說我們好沒關係這個再請那個人那個晶片不是我們做不出來而是因為他早期這個市場規模不夠大所以我們的 |
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這個大廠都不願意投入這個部分沒關係啦這個我們就是看到說他執行的比例對不對然後國產化的拉到什麼程度然後因為你要有商機有市場才會有那這裡到底是軍規還是商規的輸出出口這個都請一個禮拜給我一個報告好不好因為我對無人機這個發展我們當然都是支持但我們希望他是對的錢花在對的地方真正去落實好不好好謝謝 |
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謝謝主席，有請經濟部龔部長。 |
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請部長。 |
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召委好。 |
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部長早。 |
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因為經濟部所屬的預算很多，我大概先把部的這些預算仔細整本看完，就經濟部來講，115年歲出大概464.85億，增加167.53億，之前部本部有編列1,000億的台電撥補，扣掉那個之後。 |
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其中科技專案增加到302.49億，鎖定領域包含機器人、Edge AI、無人化創新等等，也包含IC設計、領航企業研發深耕，我稍微再把它整個掃一遍，有幾個成長幅度比較多的，我有列出來給部長參考，包含科技專案、研發測試暨藥品國產、非營業特種基金、經濟作業基金，我覺得一般行政還好，但是公務人員好像減少了，剩下的公務人員負擔會很重，這個供參。 |
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就其中幾個，我稍微再往下去把它drill down，科技研發我其實不反對，但是從預算書來看，經濟部有八大法人，還有一些小的，基本上來講，工研院的預算增加26.93億，但是工研院和金工中心兩個的成果收入比應該算是比較低的。 |
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2026-04-22T09:37:53.603000+08:00 |
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我也沒有說他們兩個做不好，因為這牽扯到一個問題，有一個大法人不見了，當你要擴增科技法人科專補助的時候，可能就會落到像工研院，我們的大阿哥身上，或是南部的金工中心，這不是不好。 |
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0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:37:53.943000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:38:10.786000+08:00 |
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但是我覺得可能要幫其他小法人說說話，要稍微分散一下資源，或者是工研院作為大阿哥來建立一個整合型的，做一些資源預算分配，這個部分請教部長和司長的看法。 |
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0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T09:38:12.207000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:38:23.132000+08:00 |
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我們現在的做法就是這樣，現在有一個競爭力輔導團計畫，就是由工研院來主政，但是所有的法人統統要參加，而且分區域…… |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:38:24.752000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:38:50.442000+08:00 |
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對，但是那個太少了，有一些關鍵研發像紡研所，現在資策會已經不是你們的法人，或者是像其他的不管是生技、食品加工，因為工研院涵蓋很多領域，所以在各個領域當中研發的關鍵技術，可能要請郭司長好好再locate說明一下就好了。 |
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0.848 |
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郭司長肇中 |
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2026-04-22T09:38:51.262000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:39:14.767000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，工研院在我們的科技預算裡面占比達到46%，確實是最高的，也是因為有一些比較長期的任務希望工研院來執行，而且統合所有的法人，其實工研院在張院長的帶領下，也跟…… |
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0.787 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:39:15.148000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-22T09:39:21.677000+08:00 |
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這個我都明白，我們節省時間，你知道我要表達的是什麼，我們希望各個領域的法人…… |
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0.912 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T09:39:21.997000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-22T09:39:23.780000+08:00 |
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我知道委員的意思。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-22T09:39:24.221000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:39:24.741000+08:00 |
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了解，謝謝。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-22T09:39:26.864000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:39:42.973000+08:00 |
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也沒有對工研院不敬，基本上，我希望大家是團結合作，讓這些小法人各有其專長領域，業學界我也支持，雖然它的預算暴增，當然你有鎖定的這些題目。 |
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0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:39:43.654000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:40:22.206000+08:00 |
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但是外界可能比較會擔心的，尤其是某些特定產業或特定廠商，這一陣子我接到比較多的是國際研發中心這一塊，也就是我們補助美光設置這些研發中心等等，但是本土的，比如說南亞、華邦電，我覺得他們會有一點不太服氣，雖然南亞科後來你也有補，但是我覺得這一點的政策以後可以稍微考慮一下，因為他們很有錢，而且其實外商也不需要我們啦！ |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:40:22.886000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:40:29.612000+08:00 |
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所以我這個建議是以本土科技、本土廠商的研發，以這樣的設計為主啦！ |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-22T09:40:29.772000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:40:30.232000+08:00 |
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好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-22T09:40:30.613000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:40:33.595000+08:00 |
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郭司長不用現在回答，請你回去好好研究一下。 |
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0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-22T09:40:35.476000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:40:40.561000+08:00 |
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接下來這個部分，因為我長年待在……其實我可能比各位都要熟。 |
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0.76 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:40:42.070000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-22T09:40:55.535000+08:00 |
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現在各個計畫的資源切得太碎，第一個是你們部裡面有技術司、產發署，做一堆東西，不管是AI、機器人或無人機，IC設計應該也涵蓋技術司和產發署嘛！ |
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0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:40:56.836000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:41:07.360000+08:00 |
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這只是經濟部而已，所以我是希望部長將來在統籌的時候，尤其現在是無人機和晶片，我覺得這個東西經濟部要統籌一下……有、有。 |
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0.846 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:41:08.161000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:41:37.740000+08:00 |
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不然到時候這整個總體是部長要扛，部長有這個東西之後還要再去跨部會，不管是國科會、數發部，做這些東西的彙整，不然我們在審預算的時候一定會覺得你們很多地方都是分工不均、預算科目重疊、資源重複投入，到時候我們要究責，比如說有功勞的時候到底算誰的，失敗的時候又是誰要被究責。 |
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0.869 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T09:41:39.661000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:03.215000+08:00 |
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報告委員，還是有一些區分，即便是我們部裡面來講，比較屬於技術端的部分是技術司要負責的，但是比較跟產業結合端的部分，那個是我們的產業發展署在負責，所以技術上有上游和下游的關係，更早就是國科會在負責非常學術性的研究，那個就是國科會…… |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:03.215000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:04.215000+08:00 |
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明白啦！ |
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0 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:03.235000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:04.116000+08:00 |
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因為這都是二十幾年的老問題了，講我都會講。 |
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0.842 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:08.678000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:21.707000+08:00 |
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所以我的意思就是好好地去把……起碼我有認識，你們都知道我的個性，也知道我都很清楚，所以我們就扎扎實實把國家的預算放到正確的地方。 |
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0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:24.088000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:33.634000+08:00 |
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其他的就跳過去不講了，因為藥品部分以前早就有在做，現在多了預算，可能將來我們要看你們的成果會是什麼。 |
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0.761 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:34.695000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:43.542000+08:00 |
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然後是產業園區的循環專區基金編了60億，滿高的，我想問一下…… |
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0.84 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:44.162000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:45.243000+08:00 |
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這是大林蒲遷村……喔！ |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:47.184000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:48.205000+08:00 |
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主要是那個計畫就對了？ |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-22T09:42:48.205000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:50.507000+08:00 |
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對、對、對，就是為了遷村編的預算。 |
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0.692 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:51.347000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:55.851000+08:00 |
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好，後面可能在預算執行的部分再詳細說明一下就好，好不好？好。 |
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0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:56.491000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:57.851000+08:00 |
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因為我想怎麼突然暴增這麼多。 |
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0.769 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:42:58.732000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:43:32.005000+08:00 |
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另外是無人機的部分，過去審計部審核經濟部113年度相關決算的時候，他們認為到2024年底，飛導控、酬載、通訊、晶片設計還是一個瓶頸，去年（114年）應該有做一些東西了，現在這些技術缺口是不是有補起來？ |
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0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-22T09:43:32.625000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:43:36.809000+08:00 |
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我記得應該是希望2027年把它補起來的樣子…… |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-22T09:43:36.809000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T09:43:37.809000+08:00 |
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要到2027年？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-22T09:43:37.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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2026-04-22T09:43:40.633000+08:00 |
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就是晶片開發等等的情況，現在都要補起來。 |
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0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-22T09:43:41.153000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:43:41.414000+08:00 |
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我為什麼會這樣問？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-22T09:43:41.694000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:44:01.612000+08:00 |
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因為這個地方你們編了很多預算，這講給全國民眾聽都很奇怪，無人化創新科技、無人化多元應用關鍵、研發測試場域整建，這叫做無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫！ |
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0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:01.612000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:44:08.298000+08:00 |
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因為無人化有分成幾個部分，一個部分就是場域的建設，包括在嘉義的…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:08.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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2026-04-22T09:44:12.202000+08:00 |
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這些都是無人機，還是無人舟、無人船？ |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:14.449000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:44:17.271000+08:00 |
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主要是無人機的部分，無人機先做，現在無人船…… |
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0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:17.271000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:44:18.092000+08:00 |
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所以這邊全部都是無人機？ |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:18.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-22T09:44:19.593000+08:00 |
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現在無人船也有場域的開發。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:19.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-22T09:44:20.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我現在是說這幾個都是無人機？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:28.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-22T09:44:30.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
目前來講主要是無人機比較多。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:30.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-22T09:44:31.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
這4個應該都是喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:31.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-22T09:44:33.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
因為它都編不同名稱的計畫。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:34.374000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-22T09:44:44.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
不一樣，一個是場域的開發，一個是科技上的補助，另外是各部會有一個統籌型的要買無人機的預算…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:45.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-22T09:44:54.366000+08:00 |
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對，所以我的意思是說這可能在上面……因為我們在審預算的時候對這個很confuse，就是這到底全部都是無人機，還是無人載具？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:55.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-22T09:44:56.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
因為無人載具範圍更廣嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:56.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-22T09:44:56.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:56.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-22T09:44:58.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
所以到底focus是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-22T09:44:58.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-22T09:45:04.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
這樣我們將來對預算的執行可能比較容易追績效和追成果。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.48 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-22T09:45:04.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-22T09:45:16.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
因為如果關鍵技術沒有起來，這些場域還有號稱輸出國際等等，行政院副院長也講很多都輸出了，那我就搞不懂啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.787 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-22T09:45:16.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-22T09:45:21.782000+08:00 |
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既然關鍵技術還沒起來，那麼你們的輸出國際和一大堆的採買要非紅供應鏈，這當中是要怎麼銜接啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-22T09:45:25.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-22T09:45:35.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
因為現在可以輸出的話，當然裡面有一些晶片是用國外的沒有錯，但是我們現在整機是可以出口的，很多廠商已經可以出口了。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-22T09:45:35.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-22T09:45:39.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
既然是整機，我們本土化的自製比例是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-22T09:45:40.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-22T09:45:45.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
就是剛剛那幾項的晶片還沒有獲得，那個晶片不是我們做不出來…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-22T09:45:46.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-22T09:45:47.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
沒關係，這部分再請…… |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-22T09:45:48.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-22T09:45:56.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
報告委員，那個晶片不是我們做不出來，而是因為早期這個市場規模不夠大，所以我們的大廠都不願意投入這個部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-22T09:45:56.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-22T09:46:13.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
沒關係，我們就是看到它執行的比例，還有國產化拉到什麼程度，因為要有商機，才會有市場，所以到底是軍規還是商規的輸出、出口，這些都請在一個禮拜內給我一個報告好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.861 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-22T09:46:13.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-22T09:46:21.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
因為無人機的發展我們當然都支持，但是我們希望把錢花在對的地方，真正去落實，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-22T09:46:21.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-22T09:46:21.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-22T09:46:22.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-22T09:46:23.341857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
主席（洪委員毓祥） |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-22T09:46:23.641857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-22T09:46:26.784714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
接下來請鍾佳濱委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |