| IVOD_ID |
168665 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168665 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T09:23:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T09:35:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f18f2503d2081ac65163812774c6aab6af29d978cd518bf59408f75701a873fd4f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:23:33 - 09:35:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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邱義營委員質詢謝謝主席我請一下部長有請龔部長是不是水利署署長也一定是水利署署長 |
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部長早部長我們等了這個總諮詢的報告跟審查也等了半年了這個部長您剛剛的報告裡頭其實我看經濟部主管大概總預算編列了大概需要有1480億1480.28億那除了一般行政大概現在是持續穩定的 |
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可以致用以外你的許多的重大建設我想直接請教你到目前為止你們的執行率是多少 |
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你這些重大的建設我剛剛請水利署上來我看一下你的預算裡頭單單防水供水防洪任性的計畫的預算總額大概就達到了454.37億佔整個經濟部的總預算的30%你們現在的預算執行成果是什麼署長你可以說明嗎還是 |
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報告委員我想關切是一類錢這麼多那擔心現在如果以這個時間點擔心到年底這邊可能執行的問題那事實上跟委員報告我們為了要因應這個狀況其實從去年底年初就開始滾動檢討跟相關的部門尤其縣市政府共同努力很多工作都前置作業都做完 |
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你們前置作業開始做啦但是有開始發包了嗎還沒發包但是都是做好那你做好了前置作業現在已經四月底將近五月了你如果現在要開始準備發因為我不知道總預算什麼時候過我們有信心可以來達成現在開始審查而已喔 |
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130.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
159.886 |
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不知道什麼時候過喔那你接下來你的發包施工很顯然在今年的汛期之前你沒有辦法完成任何一項重大的防洪建設對不對你沒有辦法拿到任何一個錢那我比較擔心的是你現在編列了454.37億立法院的審查應該不會讓你454.37億全數給你如果被刪掉如果被大刀一砍請問你的防洪建設怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
160.886 |
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174.955 |
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還不只你這樣喔我現在只講到的是你水利署的部分你經濟部所有的這些重大的工程包括你要補助中小微企業的振興包括這個支持我們的供應鏈甚至包括了幾大產業如果總預算的審查到時候在協商的時候大刀一砍 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
185.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
201.422 |
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請問你經濟部要怎麼做你到現在五月了你的執行率都講不出來過去你們到了期中應該大概執行率都會執行率大概都會到50%左右了嘛很多的重大建設可能是在往前走那你現在的執行率是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
202.122 |
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215.424 |
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不敢說也不可以說也不知道要怎麼做你的所有的東西水利工作都只有做前置作業啊那接下來怎麼辦那你馬上要編明年的預算了耶那明年預算要怎麼編要怎麼執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
218.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
239.187 |
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我補充一下因為在今年執行的時候因為新興計畫還沒有辦法執行所以我們目前只能執行延續性計畫但是因為延續性計畫我們在執行的時候也會比較保守是因為怕到時候立法院有一些決議所以我們目前整體的公務預算到三月底截止大概是六成六十七左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
240.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
262.354 |
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公務預算啊到3月底以前已經完成67喔對不含新興我們沒有把新興放到分配的基準裡面所以光延續性計畫所以你的自災防洪的計畫這位任性計畫全部都算是新興計畫嗎很多都是算新興計畫嗎這些都完全還沒做嗎是不是這樣好那部長我要請教那你們在進度上能不能追得上 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
263.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
285.206 |
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就是到今年年底以前 因為我現在不知道今年的總預算什麼時候會過啦現在開始第一次的報告 對不對接下來我們可能還有預算提案的審查然後還要再進到院長的協商所以我不知道最後拉到最後什麼時候會過因為我看這個台灣民眾黨還提了一個案說今年又要研會到8月31號 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
287.128 |
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304.318 |
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有沒有可能8月31號才通過今年度的總預算然後9月份開始我們應該要開始審明年度的總預算的那你們經濟部怎麼辦 你所有的這些治災防洪的工程怎麼做有沒有一個 就是你心裡有沒有一個底 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
305.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
327.902 |
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所以剛剛署長特別提到就是說我們前置作業可以做的就盡量趕快先做那這還是在等這個預算所以我們期待說這個預算可以趕快通過是啊 我是這樣想你的那個包括是新興的預算或者是說自災防洪的預算我希望你們給我一個到目前為止的執行率 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
328.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
355.219 |
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好不好 到目前為止你所有的這些治災防洪地方都在等嘛我們很怕接下來颱風期來了要怎麼辦這些治災防洪的工程進度執行到什麼樣的程度這些是不是能夠請經濟部或者是水利署下個禮拜給本席一個報告 好不好那接下來剛剛這個其實我們賴委員也特別請教到 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
357.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
385.358 |
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台北市政府的確是一個非常奇怪的單位非常奇怪的市政府我第一次聽到有水庫用水然後要去跟人家收耗水費的用水利發電然後要來跟人家收耗水費而且還要跟台電收錢水利署過去我們在經濟文匯審查過耗水費的這個法案設計其實就在我當召委的時候通過的什麼叫耗水費 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
386.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
399.647 |
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保證你可以說明一下嗎 泡水費的定義是什麼制度上它應該是用在什麼地方是跟誰徵收你可不可以把這個定義把它說明一下或者是署長來 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
401.179 |
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416.134 |
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報告委員 耗水費的最大的精神是希望能夠節約用水使用者付費的精神那目前耗水費是針對每天用水300噸的一個大戶來進行徵收工業大戶嘛 工廠大戶嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
416.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
442.544 |
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那我們剛剛特別委員在水利發電算是耗水嗎不是 水利發電在我們耗水費裡面並沒有這一項而且不會進行徵收其實全台很多水利發電我們都不徵收任何耗水費用因為他們有浪費水源是嗎 有原則好 那請教一下就經濟部的立場上面現在台北市政府要來跟你們收耗水費 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
443.504 |
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458.667 |
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第一個這個耗水費的收取也是在中央作業嘛不是在地方政府嘛對不對這個是中央的權責中央的權責那地方可以來收取耗水費嗎那這耗水費要怎麼收第一個他本來就不能收嘛第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
459.988 |
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481.248 |
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這個水庫的水是屬於天然資源不是屬於台北市政府的水報告委員這水資源是最重要的是最國家的嘛不是像你台北市政府的不是像你蔣萬安的嘛沒有錯水利發電用水來做發電這個發電用的有可能是在台北市使用嘛是不是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
486.829 |
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513.405 |
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或者是你們的電力是怎麼配置因為它其實我們所有水庫操作都依照他們水位高低去進行調整以目前水税水庫它的一個水位是90幾%是屬於高水位其實本來就可以進行調控這個水量沒有任何浪費行為因為它有防洪的需求跟調控的行為所以我們進行這個水力發電其實兼顧到下游的用水跟整個水庫的高低安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
514.305 |
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539.716 |
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部分去調控,並沒有任何浪費水的狀況水利署不贊成收耗水費,來我想請一下台電人家現在要幫你收錢,獅子大開口那個跟委員報告幾件事,第一件事是水利發電不是用掉水,我們是利用了水的未能可是完全兩個不同的概念,這是第一點我們以前都學過這個事你學過,他不一定有學過啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
540.882 |
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568.112 |
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台北市政府不一定有學過啊所以對我們來講這是知識可是對他來講這是很新奇的東西啊這個叫耗水啊這我也覺得匪夷所思第二個你用水利來發電然後要來跟台電收取這些費用那我請教你台電第一就是香港潘啦第二就是台電把大家當傻子那你台電在這個興達電廠的發電我們要不要來跟你收取空污費 |
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569.79 |
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577.601 |
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那個跟委員報告就是說一個國家的制度可以這樣亂搞嗎其實台電 |
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578.971 |
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600.434 |
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因為本來就是那個水流下來下游的集水站那個取水場他會去用到這些水中間水沒有沒有沒有損耗那如果說有多發電有出來的水其實我們也都是真的水庫的管理局的同意才會發這一些電因為他下游還可以收起來用那因為翡翠的水源非常的大 |
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601.215 |
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614.047 |
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那監察院調查的狀況是說他的水源有很多的水量應該有更多的妥善運用但是我發電影響的量非常的少我最近這一段時間他裡面提到自己提到的說我們是115萬噸 |
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617.31 |
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632.541 |
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但是被檢討的是五億噸所以那個是完全不同量級的事情我想要說就是說其實就水費來講台電公司付給所有的水庫也都有付費比方說真文我們有付費石門有付費 |
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633.722 |
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658.27 |
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翡翠的平均單價其實相對來講是這三個水庫比較高一些我想說我們真的台電公司沒有特別對翡翠水庫不好我想說在這邊跟委員說說明我想這個事情我還是期待包括台電或者是水利署你們都應該要對外說明清楚什麼叫耗水費什麼叫水利發電 |
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659.912 |
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685.185 |
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如何水力發電 然後這個利用水的位差來做發電之後這個水的流向去哪裡你可能覺得這是常識 這是知識但對台北市政府來講他不懂 他不知道所以我感覺你們要多花一點時間來教導他們要讓他們有這些正確的知識跟觀念好不好 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:23:46.364000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，我請一下部長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-22T09:23:46.364000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:23:49.365000+08:00 |
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有請龔部長。 |
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1 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:23:49.365000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:23:51.106000+08:00 |
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是不是水利署署長也一併上來？ |
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0.769 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-22T09:23:51.626000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:23:52.227000+08:00 |
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請水利署署長。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-22T09:23:52.227000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T09:23:55.507000+08:00 |
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邱委員早。 |
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0 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:23:55.787000+08:00 |
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部長早。 |
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1 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:23:56.408000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:24:09.633000+08:00 |
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部長，我們等總預算的報告跟審查也已經等半年了，從部長剛剛的報告裡頭，我看到經濟部主管大概總預算編列了多少？ |
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0.837 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-22T09:24:10.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-22T09:24:11.533000+08:00 |
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大概1,480億。 |
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0.75 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-22T09:24:11.533000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:24:11.533000+08:00 |
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1,480.28億。對。 |
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0.5 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-22T09:24:11.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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2026-04-22T09:24:30.743000+08:00 |
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除了一般行政現在是持續穩定的可以支用以外，你們有許多的重大建設，我想直接請教你，到目前為止，你們的執行率是多少？ |
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0.941 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-22T09:24:32.711000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:24:47.477000+08:00 |
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關於你們這些重大的建設，我剛剛有請水利署上來，我看了一下你們的預算，單單供水、防洪韌性計畫的預算總額大概就達到了454.37億，占整個經濟部總預算的30%。對。 |
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0.864 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:24:47.477000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:24:48.937000+08:00 |
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你們現在的預算執行成果是什麼？ |
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1 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:24:48.937000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:24:50.038000+08:00 |
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署長可以說明嗎？ |
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1 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:01.394000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:24.486000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我想委員關切這個部分，主要是因為錢這麼多，以這個時間點，會擔心到年底這邊執行可能有問題，跟委員報告，事實上，我們為了要因應這個狀況，其實從去年底、今年初就開始滾動檢討，跟相關的部門尤其是縣市政府共同努力，很多工作的前置作業都做完了。 |
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0.807 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:24.826000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:25.947000+08:00 |
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你們前置作業開始做了…… |
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0.9 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:25.947000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-22T09:25:26.947000+08:00 |
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已經做完了。 |
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0 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:26.487000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:28.549000+08:00 |
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但是有開始發包了嗎？ |
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1 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:28.549000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:30.130000+08:00 |
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還沒有發包，但是都做好各項的…… |
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0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:30.610000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:40.177000+08:00 |
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那你做好了前置作業，現在已經4月底將近5月了，如果你現在要開始準備發包，我不知道總預算什麼時候過喔！ |
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0.932 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:40.177000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:41.557000+08:00 |
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我們有信心可以來達成，沒有問題。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:41.778000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:54.281000+08:00 |
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現在開始審查而已，不知道什麼時候過，那接下來你要進行發包、施工，很顯然在今年的汛期之前你沒有辦法完成任何一項重大的防洪建設，對不對？ |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-22T09:25:54.281000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:25:56.382000+08:00 |
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因為你沒有辦法拿到任何一筆錢。是。 |
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0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-22T09:25:56.582000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:26:12.866000+08:00 |
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我比較擔心的是，你現在編列了454.37億，立法院的審查應該不會把這454.37億全數給你，如果被刪掉，如果被大刀一砍，請問你的防洪建設怎麼做？ |
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0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-22T09:26:13.886000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-22T09:26:14.527000+08:00 |
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還不只你這樣喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-22T09:26:14.927000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:26:39.192000+08:00 |
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我現在只講到水利署的部分，經濟部所有的這些重大工程包括要補助中小微企業的振興、支持我們的供應鏈，甚至包括了幾大產業，如果總預算的審查在協商的時候大刀一砍，請問經濟部要怎麼做？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-22T09:26:39.812000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:26:54.402000+08:00 |
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到現在快5月了，你的執行率都講不出來，過去你們到了期中應該執行率大概都會到50%左右了，很多的重大建設可能是在往前走，那你現在的執行率是多少？ |
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0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-22T09:26:55.122000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:27:01.953000+08:00 |
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不敢講也不能講，也不知道要怎麼做，你所有的東西像水利工作都只有做前置作業啊！ |
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0.886 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-22T09:27:02.955000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-22T09:27:04.197000+08:00 |
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接下來怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-22T09:27:04.317000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:27:08.404000+08:00 |
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你馬上就要編明年的預算了，明年的預算要怎麼編、要怎麼執行？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王處長雅玲 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-22T09:27:11.334000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:27:32.167000+08:00 |
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委員，我補充一下，在今年執行的時候，因為新興計畫還沒有辦法執行，所以我們目前只能執行延續性計畫，但是對於延續性計畫我們在執行的時候也會比較保守，就是因為怕到時候立法院有一些決議，所以我們目前整體的公務預算到3月底截止大概是67%左右。 |
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0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-22T09:27:33.441000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:27:33.981000+08:00 |
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公務預算？是。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-22T09:27:34.942000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-22T09:27:36.203000+08:00 |
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到3月底以前已經完成67%？ |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王處長雅玲 |
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2026-04-22T09:27:37.443000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-22T09:27:42.146000+08:00 |
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對，不含新興的部分，我們沒有把新興的部分放到分配的基準裡面，所以光是延續性計畫跟一般的…… |
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0.725 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:27:42.346000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:27:51.031000+08:00 |
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你的治災防洪計畫這些韌性計畫全部都算是新興計畫，很多都是算新興計畫，這些都完全還沒做嘛，是不是這樣？是。 |
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0.894 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-22T09:27:51.711000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:27:55.334000+08:00 |
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部長，我要請教你們在進度上能不能追得上？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-22T09:27:56.345000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:28:03.992000+08:00 |
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就是到今年年底以前，因為我現在不知道今年的總預算什麼時候會過，現在是開始第一次的報告，對不對？ |
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0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-22T09:28:03.992000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:28:24.210000+08:00 |
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接下來我們可能還有預算提案的審查，然後還要再進到院長協商，所以我不知道拉到最後是在什麼時候會過，因為我看台灣民眾黨還提了一個案說今年又要延會到8月31號，有沒有可能在8月31號才通過今年度的總預算？ |
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0.943 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-22T09:28:25.071000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:28:30.894000+08:00 |
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然後從9月份我們應該要開始審明年度的總預算了，那你們經濟部怎麼辦？ |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-22T09:28:30.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-22T09:28:33.316000+08:00 |
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你所有的這些治災防洪的工程要怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-22T09:28:36.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-22T09:28:37.298000+08:00 |
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你心裡有沒有一個底？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-22T09:28:39.121000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:28:48.310000+08:00 |
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剛剛署長特別提到，我們前置作業可以做的就儘量趕快先做，現在還是在等這個預算，所以我們也期待這個預算可以趕快通過，把該補助的趕快補助給地方政府。 |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-22T09:28:49.130000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:29:02.123000+08:00 |
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我是這樣想，包括你們的新興預算或治災防洪的預算，我希望你們給我到目前為止的執行率，好不好？ |
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0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-22T09:29:02.423000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:29:06.546000+08:00 |
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到目前為止，你所有的這些治災防洪，地方都在等嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-22T09:29:06.886000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:29:22.535000+08:00 |
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我們很怕在接下來的颱風期要怎麼辦，關於這些治災防洪工程進度現在執行到什麼樣的程度，請經濟部或水利署下個禮拜給本席一個報告，好不好？好的。 |
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0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-22T09:29:25.637000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:29:48.653000+08:00 |
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剛剛賴委員也特別請教一個問題，臺北市政府的確是一個非常奇怪的單位、非常奇怪的市政府，我第一次聽到有水庫用水然後要去跟人家收耗水費，用水力發電，然後要來跟人家收耗水費，而且還要跟台電收錢。 |
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0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-22T09:29:49.314000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:30:01.775000+08:00 |
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過去我們在經濟委員會審查過水利署這個耗水費的法案設計，其實就是在我當召委的時候通過的，什麼叫耗水費，部長，你可以說明一下嗎？ |
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0.807 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:01.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-22T09:30:02.775000+08:00 |
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它主要是針對用水大戶。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:01.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-22T09:30:04.278000+08:00 |
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耗水費的定義是什麼？ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:04.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-22T09:30:07.301000+08:00 |
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在制度上，它應該用在什麼地方？ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:07.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-22T09:30:08.723000+08:00 |
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是跟誰徵收？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:09.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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2026-04-22T09:30:12.647000+08:00 |
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你可不可以把這個定義說明一下，或者是署長來說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:14.179000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:30:27.092000+08:00 |
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報告委員，耗水費最大的精神是希望能夠節約用水，使用者付費的精神，目前耗水費是針對每天用水300噸的大戶來進行徵收。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:27.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-22T09:30:29.134000+08:00 |
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工業大戶、工廠大戶，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:30.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-22T09:30:31.035000+08:00 |
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對，剛剛委員特別…… |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:31.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-22T09:30:33.296000+08:00 |
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水力發電算是耗水嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:33.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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2026-04-22T09:30:47.501000+08:00 |
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不是，在我們耗水費裡面並沒有水力發電這一項，而且不會進行徵收，其實全臺很多水力發電，我們都不徵收任何耗水費用，因為它沒有浪費水源為原則。 |
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0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
邱委員議瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-22T09:30:49.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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2026-04-22T09:31:02.413000+08:00 |
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就經濟部的立場，現在臺北市政府要跟你們收耗水費，第一個，耗水費的收取也是在中央作業，不是在地方政府，對不對？ |
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林署長元鵬 |
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這個是中央的權責。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:04.536000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:06.719000+08:00 |
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地方可以收取耗水費嗎？ |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:06.719000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:07.719000+08:00 |
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依法是不行。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:07.020000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:08.202000+08:00 |
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這個耗水費要怎麼收？ |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:09.363000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:10.665000+08:00 |
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第一個，它本來就不能收。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:11.506000+08:00 |
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第二個，水庫的水是屬於天然資源，不是屬於臺北市政府的水，是不是這樣？ |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:21.316000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:27.221000+08:00 |
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水資源是屬於中央、是屬於國家的，不是屬於臺北市政府，不是屬於蔣萬安。 |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:27.942000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:29.283000+08:00 |
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沒有錯。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:29.283000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:34.248000+08:00 |
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水利發電、用水來發電，發的電有可能是在臺北市使用，是不是這樣？ |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:40.269000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:41.910000+08:00 |
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你們的電力是怎麼配置？ |
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林署長元鵬 |
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2026-04-22T09:31:42.230000+08:00 |
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因為其實所有水庫的操作都是依照它的水位高低去進行調整，目前翡翠水庫的水位是九十幾趴，屬於高水位，其實本來就可以進行調控水量，沒有任何浪費行為，因為它也有防洪需求及調控行為，所以我們進行水力發電其實是兼顧到下游用水，以及整個水庫高低安全的部分去調控，並沒有任何浪費水的狀況。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:10.526000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:16.929000+08:00 |
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水利署不贊成收耗水費，我想請教台電，人家現在要跟你們收錢，獅子大開口。 |
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曾董事長文生 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:18.430000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:30.515000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告幾件事，第一件事情是水力發電不是用掉水，我們是利用水的位能，這是兩個完全不同的概念，這是第一點，我們以前都學過這個事。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:30.995000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:32.696000+08:00 |
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你學過，他不一定有學過啊！ |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:33.882000+08:00 |
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臺北市政府不一定有學過啊！ |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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所以對我們來講，這是知識，可是對他來講，這是很新奇的東西，這個叫耗水，我也覺得匪夷所思。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:44.966000+08:00 |
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第二個，他用水力發電的電，然後要跟台電收取這些費用，請教你，第一就是台電被人家當成「盤仔」。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:54.589000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:56.410000+08:00 |
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第二就是他把大家當傻子。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:32:56.530000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:33:01.112000+08:00 |
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那台電在興達電廠的發電，我們要不要跟你收取空污費？ |
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0.957 |
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曾董事長文生 |
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2026-04-22T09:33:03.331000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:33:03.892000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，耗水費…… |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:33:07.156000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:33:09.760000+08:00 |
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一個國家的制度可以這樣亂搞嗎？ |
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曾董事長文生 |
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2026-04-22T09:33:11.971000+08:00 |
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因為那個水流下來，下游的集水站、取水廠會去用到這些水，中間水沒有損耗，如果有多發電、有多出來的水，其實我們也都是徵得水庫管理局的同意，才會發這些電，下游還可以收起來用。 |
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曾董事長文生 |
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因為翡翠的水源非常大，監察院調查的狀況是，它的水源有很多水量，應該有更多的妥善運用，但是發電影響的量非常少，最近這一段時間，裡面提到的是115萬噸，但是被檢討的是5億噸，所以那個是完全不同量級的事情。 |
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曾董事長文生 |
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2026-04-22T09:33:57.155000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:34:17.765000+08:00 |
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其實就水費來講，台電公司對所有的水庫也都有付費，比方曾文有付費，石門有付費，翡翠的平均單價相對來講是這三個水庫比較高的，台電公司沒有特別對翡翠水庫不好，在這邊跟委員說明。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:34:18.386000+08:00 |
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這個事情我還是期待，包括台電或者是水利署，你們都應該要對外說明清楚什麼叫耗水費，什麼叫水力發電，如何水力發電，利用水的位差發電之後，水的流向去哪裡，你可能覺得這是常識、這是知識，但對臺北市政府來講，它不懂，它不知道。 |
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邱委員議瑩 |
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2026-04-22T09:34:49.380000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:34:58.165000+08:00 |
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所以我覺得你們要多花一點時間來教導他們，要讓他們有這些正確的知識和觀念，好不好？ |
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主席（鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員代） |
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2026-04-22T09:34:58.665000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T09:35:01.236429+08:00 |
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接下來請洪毓祥召委。 |
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