| IVOD_ID |
168665 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168665 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T09:23:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T09:35:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f18f2503d2081ac65163812774c6aab6af29d978cd518bf59408f75701a873fd4f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:23:33 - 09:35:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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邱義營委員質詢謝謝主席我請一下部長有請龔部長是不是水利署署長也一定是水利署署長 |
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部長早部長我們等了這個總諮詢的報告跟審查也等了半年了這個部長您剛剛的報告裡頭其實我看經濟部主管大概總預算編列了大概需要有1480億1480.28億那除了一般行政大概現在是持續穩定的 |
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可以致用以外你的許多的重大建設我想直接請教你到目前為止你們的執行率是多少 |
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你這些重大的建設我剛剛請水利署上來我看一下你的預算裡頭單單防水供水防洪任性的計畫的預算總額大概就達到了454.37億佔整個經濟部的總預算的30%你們現在的預算執行成果是什麼署長你可以說明嗎還是 |
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報告委員我想關切是一類錢這麼多那擔心現在如果以這個時間點擔心到年底這邊可能執行的問題那事實上跟委員報告我們為了要因應這個狀況其實從去年底年初就開始滾動檢討跟相關的部門尤其縣市政府共同努力很多工作都前置作業都做完 |
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你們前置作業開始做啦但是有開始發包了嗎還沒發包但是都是做好那你做好了前置作業現在已經四月底將近五月了你如果現在要開始準備發因為我不知道總預算什麼時候過我們有信心可以來達成現在開始審查而已喔 |
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不知道什麼時候過喔那你接下來你的發包施工很顯然在今年的汛期之前你沒有辦法完成任何一項重大的防洪建設對不對你沒有辦法拿到任何一個錢那我比較擔心的是你現在編列了454.37億立法院的審查應該不會讓你454.37億全數給你如果被刪掉如果被大刀一砍請問你的防洪建設怎麼做 |
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還不只你這樣喔我現在只講到的是你水利署的部分你經濟部所有的這些重大的工程包括你要補助中小微企業的振興包括這個支持我們的供應鏈甚至包括了幾大產業如果總預算的審查到時候在協商的時候大刀一砍 |
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請問你經濟部要怎麼做你到現在五月了你的執行率都講不出來過去你們到了期中應該大概執行率都會執行率大概都會到50%左右了嘛很多的重大建設可能是在往前走那你現在的執行率是多少 |
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不敢說也不可以說也不知道要怎麼做你的所有的東西水利工作都只有做前置作業啊那接下來怎麼辦那你馬上要編明年的預算了耶那明年預算要怎麼編要怎麼執行 |
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我補充一下因為在今年執行的時候因為新興計畫還沒有辦法執行所以我們目前只能執行延續性計畫但是因為延續性計畫我們在執行的時候也會比較保守是因為怕到時候立法院有一些決議所以我們目前整體的公務預算到三月底截止大概是六成六十七左右 |
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公務預算啊到3月底以前已經完成67喔對不含新興我們沒有把新興放到分配的基準裡面所以光延續性計畫所以你的自災防洪的計畫這位任性計畫全部都算是新興計畫嗎很多都是算新興計畫嗎這些都完全還沒做嗎是不是這樣好那部長我要請教那你們在進度上能不能追得上 |
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就是到今年年底以前 因為我現在不知道今年的總預算什麼時候會過啦現在開始第一次的報告 對不對接下來我們可能還有預算提案的審查然後還要再進到院長的協商所以我不知道最後拉到最後什麼時候會過因為我看這個台灣民眾黨還提了一個案說今年又要研會到8月31號 |
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有沒有可能8月31號才通過今年度的總預算然後9月份開始我們應該要開始審明年度的總預算的那你們經濟部怎麼辦 你所有的這些治災防洪的工程怎麼做有沒有一個 就是你心裡有沒有一個底 |
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所以剛剛署長特別提到就是說我們前置作業可以做的就盡量趕快先做那這還是在等這個預算所以我們期待說這個預算可以趕快通過是啊 我是這樣想你的那個包括是新興的預算或者是說自災防洪的預算我希望你們給我一個到目前為止的執行率 |
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好不好 到目前為止你所有的這些治災防洪地方都在等嘛我們很怕接下來颱風期來了要怎麼辦這些治災防洪的工程進度執行到什麼樣的程度這些是不是能夠請經濟部或者是水利署下個禮拜給本席一個報告 好不好那接下來剛剛這個其實我們賴委員也特別請教到 |
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台北市政府的確是一個非常奇怪的單位非常奇怪的市政府我第一次聽到有水庫用水然後要去跟人家收耗水費的用水利發電然後要來跟人家收耗水費而且還要跟台電收錢水利署過去我們在經濟文匯審查過耗水費的這個法案設計其實就在我當召委的時候通過的什麼叫耗水費 |
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保證你可以說明一下嗎 泡水費的定義是什麼制度上它應該是用在什麼地方是跟誰徵收你可不可以把這個定義把它說明一下或者是署長來 |
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報告委員 耗水費的最大的精神是希望能夠節約用水使用者付費的精神那目前耗水費是針對每天用水300噸的一個大戶來進行徵收工業大戶嘛 工廠大戶嘛 對不對 |
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那我們剛剛特別委員在水利發電算是耗水嗎不是 水利發電在我們耗水費裡面並沒有這一項而且不會進行徵收其實全台很多水利發電我們都不徵收任何耗水費用因為他們有浪費水源是嗎 有原則好 那請教一下就經濟部的立場上面現在台北市政府要來跟你們收耗水費 |
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第一個這個耗水費的收取也是在中央作業嘛不是在地方政府嘛對不對這個是中央的權責中央的權責那地方可以來收取耗水費嗎那這耗水費要怎麼收第一個他本來就不能收嘛第二個 |
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這個水庫的水是屬於天然資源不是屬於台北市政府的水報告委員這水資源是最重要的是最國家的嘛不是像你台北市政府的不是像你蔣萬安的嘛沒有錯水利發電用水來做發電這個發電用的有可能是在台北市使用嘛是不是這樣 |
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或者是你們的電力是怎麼配置因為它其實我們所有水庫操作都依照他們水位高低去進行調整以目前水税水庫它的一個水位是90幾%是屬於高水位其實本來就可以進行調控這個水量沒有任何浪費行為因為它有防洪的需求跟調控的行為所以我們進行這個水力發電其實兼顧到下游的用水跟整個水庫的高低安全的 |
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部分去調控,並沒有任何浪費水的狀況水利署不贊成收耗水費,來我想請一下台電人家現在要幫你收錢,獅子大開口那個跟委員報告幾件事,第一件事是水利發電不是用掉水,我們是利用了水的未能可是完全兩個不同的概念,這是第一點我們以前都學過這個事你學過,他不一定有學過啊 |
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台北市政府不一定有學過啊所以對我們來講這是知識可是對他來講這是很新奇的東西啊這個叫耗水啊這我也覺得匪夷所思第二個你用水利來發電然後要來跟台電收取這些費用那我請教你台電第一就是香港潘啦第二就是台電把大家當傻子那你台電在這個興達電廠的發電我們要不要來跟你收取空污費 |
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那個跟委員報告就是說一個國家的制度可以這樣亂搞嗎其實台電 |
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因為本來就是那個水流下來下游的集水站那個取水場他會去用到這些水中間水沒有沒有沒有損耗那如果說有多發電有出來的水其實我們也都是真的水庫的管理局的同意才會發這一些電因為他下游還可以收起來用那因為翡翠的水源非常的大 |
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那監察院調查的狀況是說他的水源有很多的水量應該有更多的妥善運用但是我發電影響的量非常的少我最近這一段時間他裡面提到自己提到的說我們是115萬噸 |
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但是被檢討的是五億噸所以那個是完全不同量級的事情我想要說就是說其實就水費來講台電公司付給所有的水庫也都有付費比方說真文我們有付費石門有付費 |
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翡翠的平均單價其實相對來講是這三個水庫比較高一些我想說我們真的台電公司沒有特別對翡翠水庫不好我想說在這邊跟委員說說明我想這個事情我還是期待包括台電或者是水利署你們都應該要對外說明清楚什麼叫耗水費什麼叫水利發電 |
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如何水力發電 然後這個利用水的位差來做發電之後這個水的流向去哪裡你可能覺得這是常識 這是知識但對台北市政府來講他不懂 他不知道所以我感覺你們要多花一點時間來教導他們要讓他們有這些正確的知識跟觀念好不好 |