| IVOD_ID |
168646 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168646 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-21T10:18:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-21T10:35:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a5162d46ac0a80894462201fad7794ba0b71058f854e4ac4ab050b4bc408990a2d8f15caca8ddabc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:10 - 10:35:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「針對開放印度移工來台，國人深感憂心，要求行政院院長率相關部會首長向立法院提出『開放印度移工來台對我國整體勞工政策與社會治安的衝擊及相關配套（含強化國與國直聘制度及失聯移工強制遣返機制）防治作為』專案報告，並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等4案。（4月17日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（4月17日）三、邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長列席報告「115年度中央政府總預算案」編製經過並備質詢（含志願役軍人加薪及警消人員退休金等預算編製處理情形併予報告）。（4月21日）四、4月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝主席因為我接下來會問幾個民眾非常關心的案子那為了節省時間那問到相關的議題的時候再麻煩相關的部會首長自行到這個備詢台來協助回答好先請我們卓榮泰院長以及我們農業部部長和衛福部部長卓院長還有陳部長六部部長請備詢 |
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最近我們非常多的民眾特別是一些媽媽們非常關心的就是有關於食安問題也就是因為我們配合跟美國簽署ART |
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所以我们在今年针对向美国进口的马铃薯放宽了相关的标准要开放美国的马铃薯即便是有发芽或者有腐烂只要经过了处理仍然可以进口 |
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因為大家都知道在台灣人的桌上其實包含很多人喜歡吃這個像薯泥的沙拉或者是咖哩更不要說太多的小朋友喜歡吃素食店的炸馬鈴薯還有洋芋片 |
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所以我们现在针对美国的特殊的规格而可以说只有腐烂发霉发芽也只要加工之后就可以准予输入 |
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但是这两天因为大家非常的关心而且也发现我们现在世上检验马铃薯有没有含有我们所这种所谓的毒素龙葵检的这个试验的检验所 |
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经过这几天的厘清全国也只有两家全国只有两家可以检验有没有含龙葵检而且我也去查了这个检验大概要五到七天五天到七天那这个问题就来了 |
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第一個我們的檢驗能量實在是太低了而我們像進口馬鈴薯一個貨櫃它可能就是10萬顆以上的馬鈴薯第一個在海關你如何做檢驗檢驗出來要去處理還要去檢驗它有沒有龍奎鹼按照這個時間說實在這個馬鈴薯都可以長成一堆葉子了 |
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所以我們擔心的是我們今天跟美國簽署ART而我們這樣的一個犧牲的食安我們到底換到了什麼我在這邊請教部長的是根據我們的ART的 |
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規定竟然說我們對於美國加工馬鈴薯的輸入檢疫條件有任何變更都要雙方會商所以我想請問一下如果今天我們台灣老百姓非常反對這樣的一個輸入的方式應該要回到過去比較嚴謹的食安標準那是不是沒有辦法變更 |
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第二點我們輸入馬鈴薯不是只有從美國進口我們還有美國代進口大概佔四成多左右我們還有跟其他國家加拿大還有歐洲各國所以這個是只針對美國的嗎所以我想請問院長兩個 |
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第一個 這個標準 這個規定有沒有可能因為國人對於食安的疑慮而做更改第二個 這個規定是針對美國進口的嗎 |
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我們對美方在談判的過程當中文字剛剛委員念的是正確的有任何的變更要依據雙方與其指定代表來會商那我們也做了美國加工用馬鈴薯輸入的檢疫的條件所以我現在要強調的第一項是這個是加工用的馬鈴薯不是把發芽的馬鈴薯拿去加工這是錯的 |
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所以我們四項原則我們對毒性的檢疫標準不變而且會加嚴第二項從美方出口的時候有發芽或是沾有土壤的絕對不會出來 |
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過程當中進到我方的時候他如果有發芽或是有腐爛做加工型的馬鈴薯如果進到我方有發芽或腐爛我們是整顆丟棄不是再把它挖掉 絕對不是整顆的丟 丟製掉那其他的我們會逐一的強化他的檢驗所以我保證檢驗只有兩家啦所以我保證的是發芽 |
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腐爛有毒的絕對不會進入市場這也是我們今天要向大家來說明的絕對不會進入市場那我請問所以這個規定不會變更嗎不會更改嗎如果我們今天國人覺得這對我們的食安造成威脅我們就說死也不改嗎 |
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我跟委員報告就是在整個馬鈴薯的一個進口裡面我們跟衛福部是層層把關絕對不會讓任何有疑慮的包括發芽的包括腐爛的這東西流到市場我想我們可以做這樣的事情第二個部分是發芽的部分是為了防止這些馬鈴薯流到田間去使用 |
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所以在我們的檢疫規範裡面 我們就有很嚴謹的規範所以我們的檢疫條件是沒有變更的衛生的條件 衛護部所感的衛生安全的條件也沒有變更檢疫條件本來就變更啦 部長拜託而且我們還只針對美國 我剛剛問說只針對美國因為我們如果其他國家適用這個規定嗎 |
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跟委員說明我們現在的食品衛生的標準完全沒有變只要驗出有龍葵檢是整這個超過我們標準是整批就退所以我們在食安的標準上是沒有調整的完全是一樣好 |
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这个非常大家非常的关心可是我想请问我们如果是美国以外的进口的马铃薯也是这个规定吗因为原来的规定是只要有发芽有腐烂整柜退回今天如果是来自加拿大的呢标准是什么来农业部部长 |
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我跟委員報告齁 如果是在整個邊境把關的過程中如果發現到 包括衛務部檢定出來的一些斜檢的超標或者是其他的 那一定整會退隊 但是只有牙齒的部分是規定你們這個規定是針對美國 也許以後我們也要求馬鈴薯 餐廳使用馬鈴薯要標示產地 |
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我跟委員報告所有的檢疫條件都是雙方討論的對方的提出來以後我們討論到一個大家都可以接受的是用這種方式去對抗的好 因為時間關係我們是仿照日本高標準日本做法也是跟我們相同再來我希望我們的農產品去到國外也不會被這樣對待一個小小問題全部退回這雙方要互惠 |
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我們是有對美國輸出馬鈴薯嗎我不想在這邊再爭議你們今天為了要跟美國簽下ART這個ART有沒有生效事實上到現在還有疑慮可是呢我們先大開門戶把這個發芽 |
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府外的馬鈴薯不像過去規定整櫃的退回我們會整櫃的檢查請問一下我們的行政院經貿談判辦公室的副總代表嚴慧心小姐她現在因為有涉嫌被霸凌的事情剛才張志倫委員也有跟您請教也許任總那個總長來嗎 |
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這個剛剛張志倫委員也有請教你說大概兩個月你們會提出最後調查結果這個兩個月的時間如果我按照你們大概三月底開始啟動調查那應該三月下旬啟動調查那是不是應該在五月底之前就應該有最後的報告結果 |
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我跟委員報告一下,原則上是兩個月如果有需要再做進一步的查證我們還可以延一個月因為這件事情經社會高度的關注我認為不宜再拖兩個月就是兩個月 |
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那另外我想請教一件事情因為嚴沛欣的父親他也是我們第一任駐WTO的代表嚴慶章先生那他因為他非常哀痛那他對媒體說他願意做協助調查那請問一下會邀請嚴慶章先生對這件事情來協助調查嗎 |
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報告委員 這個完全尊重四位外部委員他們在調查的流程我們從不做任何的干涉要去問誰 不問誰 問什麼內容所以有可能不邀 是不是尊重四位外部委員另外請教一下總長 到目前為止有沒有約談過我們的總代表楊珍妮有沒有 |
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報告委員因為這個整個程序在進行我個人不曉得因為進行的過程中你們這個事情因為有關於涉及霸凌的事情尤其最近謝怡榮二審又判決那其實又勾起大家的回憶有關於我們公務人員尤其公務系統應該是霸凌零容忍 |
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但是呢我們沒有想到在這麼高的層級也出現這樣子涉嫌霸凌的事件當然經過大家其實真的高度關注好我在這邊要特別提醒院長跟我們那個人事總處唯有調資料也謝謝你們提供資料因為雖然很多部會現在都不願意提供我資料我把它 |
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整理了目前在就是謝宜榮事件發生之後行政院成立了霸凌通報平台現在通報前三名就是數量最高的前三名包含衛福部34件 |
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法務部28件內政部24件而且非常奇怪的是到目前為止通報事件一共237件但是只有54%件是成立的 |
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大概有46%說不成立但是另外給我講說其他其他的其實量數最多將近五成所以這其他是什麼意思可能成立可能不成立是裡面有和解嗎還是裡面有施壓嗎所以我想因為我們既然有這樣的一個通報的平台那以現在的數字看起來不可謂不嚴重 |
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因為短短大概兩年的時間那麼就通報的案件有200多件雖然裡面有大概46%是不成立的但是裡面還是有成立或者是你列為其他我真的就不知道你這個其他是什麼意思所以也請院長還有我們人事總署能夠高度關注這個案子就是 |
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我們公家機關裡面真的一定是霸凌零容忍第三個議題部長應該知道我們的公共政策的網路平台現在有一個議題是最熱門的就是建請行政院與勞動部立即終止引進印度勞工計劃 |
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優先確保國人治安與性別平權環境當然這個議題非常明顯的是擔心我們國內富有的治安問題 |
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我很明確的表達我反對引進印度移工這個是我公開講的那這當然這段時間曾經有一些政治的口水或政治的帶風向說這個呢是 |
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國民黨就是在野黨事實上在主導這個政策同意這個政策那最近經過台灣事實查核中心認證他說是民進黨政府主導政策好 院長我要跟您請教其實我所了解對於大部分關心這個議題的民眾他其實已經不會去追究到底你們是政府嗎民進黨就是行政單位政府 |
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不管是在立法院或者行政院到底是怎麼去形成這個政策但是一個是關心富有的安全就是因為擔心因為在印度的國內在全世界很多的新聞媒體統計擔心有性侵的問題另外就是我們勞動部針對失聯移工的黑洞遲遲不能解決 |
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反對引進在這個時候引進印度移工大概就兩個一個擔心富有安全其實在這個公共政策平台很明顯的他是告訴你治安問題第二個失聯移工的黑洞因為現在這是政府統計大概九萬四千人失聯移工逃逸移工無法解決好所以我要請教院長 |
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和部長到目前為止我們會不會終止印度移工的引進 |
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勞工政策四項原則跟委員報告第一個國家需要更多的本國勞工跟外籍移工這個是事實第二個勞動部已經在全球各地以及東南亞國家多元的引進各國的勞工這也是已經在做的第三個有沒有產業在台灣需要引進印度的移工那要看產業的需求第四個就算要引進也要符合印度跟我方雙方政府談好的各種內容的規定這是四項原則 |
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所以我不希望我們用國家的歧視來講這個事情但是國內的安全國內的治安我們會重視但目前為止是勞動部方面並沒有產業來提出這樣的需求目前有沒有變化請部長再說明因為部長在立法院說今年年底要引進好所以我請問一下今年年底會不會 |
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目前也沒有任何的改變來交通 |
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所以你們到現在為止還留個五八所以民眾還是會擔心啊安全絕對是我們最重、最優先的事情各種環境、各種最重、最優先的事情但是我還是提醒勞動者你們一直在講配套配套所以現在兩個回答還是比較不通範所以這個議題沒有辦法完全去彌補大家的疑慮 |
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好 謝謝 |