| IVOD_ID |
168646 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168646 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-21T10:18:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-21T10:35:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:10 - 10:35:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「針對開放印度移工來台，國人深感憂心，要求行政院院長率相關部會首長向立法院提出『開放印度移工來台對我國整體勞工政策與社會治安的衝擊及相關配套（含強化國與國直聘制度及失聯移工強制遣返機制）防治作為』專案報告，並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等4案。（4月17日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（4月17日）三、邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長列席報告「115年度中央政府總預算案」編製經過並備質詢（含志願役軍人加薪及警消人員退休金等預算編製處理情形併予報告）。（4月21日）四、4月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝主席因為我接下來會問幾個民眾非常關心的案子那為了節省時間那問到相關的議題的時候再麻煩相關的部會首長自行到這個備詢台來協助回答好先請我們卓榮泰院長以及我們農業部部長和衛福部部長卓院長還有陳部長六部部長請備詢 |
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最近我們非常多的民眾特別是一些媽媽們非常關心的就是有關於食安問題也就是因為我們配合跟美國簽署ART |
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所以我们在今年针对向美国进口的马铃薯放宽了相关的标准要开放美国的马铃薯即便是有发芽或者有腐烂只要经过了处理仍然可以进口 |
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因為大家都知道在台灣人的桌上其實包含很多人喜歡吃這個像薯泥的沙拉或者是咖哩更不要說太多的小朋友喜歡吃素食店的炸馬鈴薯還有洋芋片 |
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所以我们现在针对美国的特殊的规格而可以说只有腐烂发霉发芽也只要加工之后就可以准予输入 |
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但是这两天因为大家非常的关心而且也发现我们现在世上检验马铃薯有没有含有我们所这种所谓的毒素龙葵检的这个试验的检验所 |
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经过这几天的厘清全国也只有两家全国只有两家可以检验有没有含龙葵检而且我也去查了这个检验大概要五到七天五天到七天那这个问题就来了 |
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第一個我們的檢驗能量實在是太低了而我們像進口馬鈴薯一個貨櫃它可能就是10萬顆以上的馬鈴薯第一個在海關你如何做檢驗檢驗出來要去處理還要去檢驗它有沒有龍奎鹼按照這個時間說實在這個馬鈴薯都可以長成一堆葉子了 |
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所以我們擔心的是我們今天跟美國簽署ART而我們這樣的一個犧牲的食安我們到底換到了什麼我在這邊請教部長的是根據我們的ART的 |
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規定竟然說我們對於美國加工馬鈴薯的輸入檢疫條件有任何變更都要雙方會商所以我想請問一下如果今天我們台灣老百姓非常反對這樣的一個輸入的方式應該要回到過去比較嚴謹的食安標準那是不是沒有辦法變更 |
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第二點我們輸入馬鈴薯不是只有從美國進口我們還有美國代進口大概佔四成多左右我們還有跟其他國家加拿大還有歐洲各國所以這個是只針對美國的嗎所以我想請問院長兩個 |
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第一個 這個標準 這個規定有沒有可能因為國人對於食安的疑慮而做更改第二個 這個規定是針對美國進口的嗎 |
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我們對美方在談判的過程當中文字剛剛委員念的是正確的有任何的變更要依據雙方與其指定代表來會商那我們也做了美國加工用馬鈴薯輸入的檢疫的條件所以我現在要強調的第一項是這個是加工用的馬鈴薯不是把發芽的馬鈴薯拿去加工這是錯的 |
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所以我們四項原則我們對毒性的檢疫標準不變而且會加嚴第二項從美方出口的時候有發芽或是沾有土壤的絕對不會出來 |
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過程當中進到我方的時候他如果有發芽或是有腐爛做加工型的馬鈴薯如果進到我方有發芽或腐爛我們是整顆丟棄不是再把它挖掉 絕對不是整顆的丟 丟製掉那其他的我們會逐一的強化他的檢驗所以我保證檢驗只有兩家啦所以我保證的是發芽 |
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腐爛有毒的絕對不會進入市場這也是我們今天要向大家來說明的絕對不會進入市場那我請問所以這個規定不會變更嗎不會更改嗎如果我們今天國人覺得這對我們的食安造成威脅我們就說死也不改嗎 |
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我跟委員報告就是在整個馬鈴薯的一個進口裡面我們跟衛福部是層層把關絕對不會讓任何有疑慮的包括發芽的包括腐爛的這東西流到市場我想我們可以做這樣的事情第二個部分是發芽的部分是為了防止這些馬鈴薯流到田間去使用 |
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所以在我們的檢疫規範裡面 我們就有很嚴謹的規範所以我們的檢疫條件是沒有變更的衛生的條件 衛護部所感的衛生安全的條件也沒有變更檢疫條件本來就變更啦 部長拜託而且我們還只針對美國 我剛剛問說只針對美國因為我們如果其他國家適用這個規定嗎 |
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跟委員說明我們現在的食品衛生的標準完全沒有變只要驗出有龍葵檢是整這個超過我們標準是整批就退所以我們在食安的標準上是沒有調整的完全是一樣好 |
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这个非常大家非常的关心可是我想请问我们如果是美国以外的进口的马铃薯也是这个规定吗因为原来的规定是只要有发芽有腐烂整柜退回今天如果是来自加拿大的呢标准是什么来农业部部长 |
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我跟委員報告齁 如果是在整個邊境把關的過程中如果發現到 包括衛務部檢定出來的一些斜檢的超標或者是其他的 那一定整會退隊 但是只有牙齒的部分是規定你們這個規定是針對美國 也許以後我們也要求馬鈴薯 餐廳使用馬鈴薯要標示產地 |
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我跟委員報告所有的檢疫條件都是雙方討論的對方的提出來以後我們討論到一個大家都可以接受的是用這種方式去對抗的好 因為時間關係我們是仿照日本高標準日本做法也是跟我們相同再來我希望我們的農產品去到國外也不會被這樣對待一個小小問題全部退回這雙方要互惠 |
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我們是有對美國輸出馬鈴薯嗎我不想在這邊再爭議你們今天為了要跟美國簽下ART這個ART有沒有生效事實上到現在還有疑慮可是呢我們先大開門戶把這個發芽 |
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府外的馬鈴薯不像過去規定整櫃的退回我們會整櫃的檢查請問一下我們的行政院經貿談判辦公室的副總代表嚴慧心小姐她現在因為有涉嫌被霸凌的事情剛才張志倫委員也有跟您請教也許任總那個總長來嗎 |
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這個剛剛張志倫委員也有請教你說大概兩個月你們會提出最後調查結果這個兩個月的時間如果我按照你們大概三月底開始啟動調查那應該三月下旬啟動調查那是不是應該在五月底之前就應該有最後的報告結果 |
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我跟委員報告一下,原則上是兩個月如果有需要再做進一步的查證我們還可以延一個月因為這件事情經社會高度的關注我認為不宜再拖兩個月就是兩個月 |
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那另外我想請教一件事情因為嚴沛欣的父親他也是我們第一任駐WTO的代表嚴慶章先生那他因為他非常哀痛那他對媒體說他願意做協助調查那請問一下會邀請嚴慶章先生對這件事情來協助調查嗎 |
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報告委員 這個完全尊重四位外部委員他們在調查的流程我們從不做任何的干涉要去問誰 不問誰 問什麼內容所以有可能不邀 是不是尊重四位外部委員另外請教一下總長 到目前為止有沒有約談過我們的總代表楊珍妮有沒有 |
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報告委員因為這個整個程序在進行我個人不曉得因為進行的過程中你們這個事情因為有關於涉及霸凌的事情尤其最近謝怡榮二審又判決那其實又勾起大家的回憶有關於我們公務人員尤其公務系統應該是霸凌零容忍 |
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但是呢我們沒有想到在這麼高的層級也出現這樣子涉嫌霸凌的事件當然經過大家其實真的高度關注好我在這邊要特別提醒院長跟我們那個人事總處唯有調資料也謝謝你們提供資料因為雖然很多部會現在都不願意提供我資料我把它 |
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整理了目前在就是謝宜榮事件發生之後行政院成立了霸凌通報平台現在通報前三名就是數量最高的前三名包含衛福部34件 |
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法務部28件內政部24件而且非常奇怪的是到目前為止通報事件一共237件但是只有54%件是成立的 |
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大概有46%說不成立但是另外給我講說其他其他的其實量數最多將近五成所以這其他是什麼意思可能成立可能不成立是裡面有和解嗎還是裡面有施壓嗎所以我想因為我們既然有這樣的一個通報的平台那以現在的數字看起來不可謂不嚴重 |
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723.69 |
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因為短短大概兩年的時間那麼就通報的案件有200多件雖然裡面有大概46%是不成立的但是裡面還是有成立或者是你列為其他我真的就不知道你這個其他是什麼意思所以也請院長還有我們人事總署能夠高度關注這個案子就是 |
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775.658 |
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我們公家機關裡面真的一定是霸凌零容忍第三個議題部長應該知道我們的公共政策的網路平台現在有一個議題是最熱門的就是建請行政院與勞動部立即終止引進印度勞工計劃 |
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777.676 |
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790.013 |
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優先確保國人治安與性別平權環境當然這個議題非常明顯的是擔心我們國內富有的治安問題 |
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805.856 |
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我很明確的表達我反對引進印度移工這個是我公開講的那這當然這段時間曾經有一些政治的口水或政治的帶風向說這個呢是 |
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國民黨就是在野黨事實上在主導這個政策同意這個政策那最近經過台灣事實查核中心認證他說是民進黨政府主導政策好 院長我要跟您請教其實我所了解對於大部分關心這個議題的民眾他其實已經不會去追究到底你們是政府嗎民進黨就是行政單位政府 |
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不管是在立法院或者行政院到底是怎麼去形成這個政策但是一個是關心富有的安全就是因為擔心因為在印度的國內在全世界很多的新聞媒體統計擔心有性侵的問題另外就是我們勞動部針對失聯移工的黑洞遲遲不能解決 |
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反對引進在這個時候引進印度移工大概就兩個一個擔心富有安全其實在這個公共政策平台很明顯的他是告訴你治安問題第二個失聯移工的黑洞因為現在這是政府統計大概九萬四千人失聯移工逃逸移工無法解決好所以我要請教院長 |
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896.385 |
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903.537 |
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和部長到目前為止我們會不會終止印度移工的引進 |
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勞工政策四項原則跟委員報告第一個國家需要更多的本國勞工跟外籍移工這個是事實第二個勞動部已經在全球各地以及東南亞國家多元的引進各國的勞工這也是已經在做的第三個有沒有產業在台灣需要引進印度的移工那要看產業的需求第四個就算要引進也要符合印度跟我方雙方政府談好的各種內容的規定這是四項原則 |
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所以我不希望我們用國家的歧視來講這個事情但是國內的安全國內的治安我們會重視但目前為止是勞動部方面並沒有產業來提出這樣的需求目前有沒有變化請部長再說明因為部長在立法院說今年年底要引進好所以我請問一下今年年底會不會 |
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目前也沒有任何的改變來交通 |
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所以你們到現在為止還留個五八所以民眾還是會擔心啊安全絕對是我們最重、最優先的事情各種環境、各種最重、最優先的事情但是我還是提醒勞動者你們一直在講配套配套所以現在兩個回答還是比較不通範所以這個議題沒有辦法完全去彌補大家的疑慮 |
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好 謝謝 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:18:24.038000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:18:24.318000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:18:24.978000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:18:38.649000+08:00 |
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因為我接下來會問幾個民眾非常關心的案子，為了節省時間，問到相關議題的時候再麻煩相關部會首長自行到備詢台協助回答。 |
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0.981 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:18:39.590000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:18:44.334000+08:00 |
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先請卓榮泰院長以及農業部部長和衛福部部長。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-21T10:18:44.334000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:18:45.815000+08:00 |
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卓院長，還有陳部長、衛福部部長請備詢。 |
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0.875 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-21T10:18:45.815000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:18:53.184000+08:00 |
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王委員好。 |
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0 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-21T10:18:53.184000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:19:00.553000+08:00 |
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院長好，還有兩位部長好。 |
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0 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:19:00.553000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:19:36.294000+08:00 |
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最近有非常多民眾特別是一些媽媽們，非常關心食安問題，因為我們配合跟美國簽署ART，所以我們今年針對向美國進口的馬鈴薯放寬了相關的標準，要開放美國的馬鈴薯，即便有發芽或腐爛，只要經過處理仍然可以進口。 |
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0.761 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:19:36.954000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:19:54.459000+08:00 |
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因為大家都知道在臺灣人的桌上，包含很多人喜歡吃的薯泥沙拉，或者是咖哩，更不要說有太多小朋友喜歡吃速食店的炸馬鈴薯還有洋芋片。 |
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0.948 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:19:55.700000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:20:09.979000+08:00 |
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所以我們現在針對美國特殊的規格，可以說即使有腐爛、發霉、發芽，只要加工之後，也可以准予輸入。 |
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0.625 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:20:12.140000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:20:44.838000+08:00 |
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這兩天大家非常的關心，也發現，事實上，現在我們檢驗馬鈴薯有沒有含所謂龍葵鹼毒素的檢驗所，經過這幾天的釐清，全國也只有兩家，全國只有兩家可以檢驗有沒有含龍葵鹼，我也去查了，這個檢驗大概要5天到7天。 |
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0.54 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:20:44.838000+08:00 |
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1 |
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這個問題就來了。 |
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0.286 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:20:48.699000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:20:51.400000+08:00 |
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我們的檢驗能量實在是太低了！ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-21T10:20:52.420000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:21:03.522000+08:00 |
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但是我們進口馬鈴薯，一個貨櫃可能就是十萬顆以上的馬鈴薯，在海關，你如何做檢驗？ |
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0.914 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-21T10:21:03.522000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:21:13.104000+08:00 |
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檢驗出來，要去處理，還要去檢驗它有沒有含龍葵鹼，按照這個時間，說實在，這個馬鈴薯都可以長出一堆葉子了。 |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-21T10:21:14.264000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:21:25.940000+08:00 |
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所以我們擔心的是我們今天跟美國簽署ART，我們犧牲這樣的食安到底換到了什麼？ |
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0.944 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-21T10:21:25.940000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:22:00.674000+08:00 |
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我在這邊請教部長的是，根據我們的ART規定，竟然我們對於美國加工馬鈴薯的輸入檢疫條件有任何變更，都要雙方會商，所以我想請問一下，如果今天我們臺灣老百姓非常反對這樣的輸入方式，認為應該要回到過去比較嚴謹的食安標準，那是不是沒有辦法變更？ |
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0.982 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-21T10:22:02.011000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-21T10:22:17.379000+08:00 |
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第二點，我們輸入馬鈴薯不是只有從美國，美國進口大概占四成多左右，我們還有從其他國家（加拿大，還有歐洲各國）進口，這個是只針對美國的嗎？ |
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0.932 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-21T10:22:17.379000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:22:28.434000+08:00 |
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所以我想請問院長兩個：第一個，這個標準、這個規定有沒有可能因為國人對於食安的疑慮而做更改？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-21T10:22:29.355000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-21T10:22:31.018000+08:00 |
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第二個，這個規定只針對美國進口的嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-21T10:22:35.640000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:22:51.587000+08:00 |
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我們對美方在談判的過程當中，文字剛剛委員念的是正確的，有任何的變更，要依據雙方經與其指定代表來會商，我們也做了美國加工用馬鈴薯輸入的檢疫條件。 |
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0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-21T10:22:52.408000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:23:01.012000+08:00 |
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所以我現在要強調的第一項是這個是加工用的馬鈴薯，不是把發芽的馬鈴薯拿去加工，這是錯的！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-21T10:23:02.092000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:23:37.924000+08:00 |
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我們有四項原則：我們對毒性的檢疫標準不變，而且會加嚴；第二項、從美方出口的時候，有發芽或是沾有土壤的，絕對不會出來；過程當中，進到我方的時候，做加工的馬鈴薯如果進到我方有發芽或腐爛，我們是整顆丟棄，不是只把它挖掉，絕對不是，是整顆丟棄掉；其他的，我們會逐一強化檢驗。 |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-21T10:23:37.924000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:23:40.065000+08:00 |
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所以我保證…… |
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1 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-21T10:23:40.065000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:23:40.585000+08:00 |
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剛才我也講了，檢驗的只有兩家。 |
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0.462 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-21T10:23:41.145000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:23:50.629000+08:00 |
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對，所以我保證的是發芽、腐爛、有毒的絕對不會進入市場，這也是我們今天要跟大家來做說明的，絕對不會進入市場。 |
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0.936 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-21T10:23:50.789000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:23:55.031000+08:00 |
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好，因為我今天題目滿多的，所以我請問，這個規定不會變更嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.48 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-21T10:23:55.031000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:23:56.071000+08:00 |
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不會更改嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-21T10:23:56.071000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:24:02.434000+08:00 |
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如果今天我們國人覺得這對我們的食安造成威脅，我們就說死也不改嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-21T10:24:02.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-21T10:24:03.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
不是死也不改…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-21T10:24:03.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-21T10:24:18.321000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，在整個馬鈴薯進口裡面，我們跟衛福部是層層把關，絕對不會讓任何有疑慮的，包括發芽的、包括腐爛的，流到市場，我想我們可以做這樣的事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-21T10:24:18.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-21T10:24:35.129000+08:00 |
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第二個部分是發芽的部分是為了防止這些馬鈴薯流到田間去使用，所以在我們的檢疫規範裡面就有很嚴謹的規範，我們的檢疫條件是沒有變更的，衛福部所管的衛生安全條件也沒有變更…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-21T10:24:35.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-21T10:24:36.630000+08:00 |
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你的檢疫條件本來就變更啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-21T10:24:37.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-21T10:24:42.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
部長拜託，而且我們還只針對美國，我剛剛是問是不是只針對美國？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-21T10:24:42.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-21T10:24:44.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
因為如果其他國家，適用這個規定嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-21T10:24:45.434000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-21T10:24:58.990000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，我們現在食品衛生的標準完全沒有變，只要驗出有龍葵鹼超過我們的標準是整批退，所以我們在食安的標準上是沒有調整的，完全是一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-21T10:25:01.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-21T10:25:10.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
因為這個大家非常的關心，我想請問，如果是美國以外進口的馬鈴薯，也是這個規定嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-21T10:25:10.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-21T10:25:18.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
因為原來的規定是，只要有發芽、有腐爛，整櫃退回，今天如果是來自加拿大的，標準是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-21T10:25:19.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-21T10:25:19.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
請農業部部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-21T10:25:20.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-21T10:25:35.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
跟委員報告，在整個邊境把關的過程中如果發現到，包括衛福部檢定出來一些茄鹼超標，或者是其他的，一定整櫃退櫃，但只有芽體的部分是可以的…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-21T10:25:36.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-21T10:25:42.328000+08:00 |
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部長，我覺得你不敢回答，因為你們這個規定是針對美國，也許以後我們也要求餐廳使用馬鈴薯要標示產地。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-21T10:25:43.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-21T10:25:55.095000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，所有的檢疫條件都是雙方討論的，對方提出來以後，我們討論到一個大家都可以接受的程度，是用這種方式去對談的。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-21T10:25:55.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-21T10:25:55.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
因為時間關係…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-21T10:25:55.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-21T10:25:58.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
委員，我講兩句話，我們是仿照日本高標準，日本做法也是跟我們相同。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-21T10:25:59.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-21T10:26:07.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
再來，我希望我們的農產品去到國外也不會被這樣對待，因為一個小小問題全部退回，這雙方要互惠，像我們現在對美國進來的馬鈴薯…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.745 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-21T10:26:08.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-21T10:26:11.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我們有對美國輸出馬鈴薯嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-21T10:26:11.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-21T10:26:27.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我不想在這邊再爭論了，你們今天為了要跟美國簽下ART，這個ART有沒有生效事實上到現在還有疑慮，可是我們先大開門戶，對於發芽、腐爛的馬鈴薯不像過去規定整櫃退回。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-21T10:26:27.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-21T10:26:28.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我另外還有很重要的問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-21T10:26:27.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-21T10:26:30.079000+08:00 |
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我們會整櫃檢查，每一顆拿出來檢查。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.467 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-21T10:26:31.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-21T10:26:59.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
院長，請問一下，行政院經貿談判辦公室的副總代表顏慧欣小姐，現在他涉及被霸凌的事情，剛才張智倫委員也有跟您請教，說大概兩個月你們會提出最後調查結果。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-21T10:27:01.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-21T10:27:17.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
這個兩個月的時間，按照你們大概在3月下旬開始啟動調查，那是不是應該在5月底之前就有最後的報告結果？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-21T10:27:17.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-21T10:27:19.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
這是法定時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
蘇人事長俊榮 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-21T10:27:19.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-21T10:27:28.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我跟委員報告一下，原則上是兩個月，如果有需要再做進一步的查證，我們還可以延一個月。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-21T10:27:28.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-21T10:27:35.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
因為這件事情社會高度的關注，我認為不宜再拖，兩個月就是兩個月。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-21T10:27:38.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-21T10:28:02.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
另外我想請教一件事情，顏慧欣的父親也是我們第一任駐WTO的代表──顏慶章先生，因為他非常哀痛，他對媒體說，他願意協助調查，請問一下，會邀請顏慶章先生對這件事情協助調查嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-21T10:28:04.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-21T10:28:12.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
報告委員，這個完全尊重4位外部委員，他們在調查的流程我們從不做任何的干涉，要問誰、不問誰、問什麼內容、什麼時候…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-21T10:28:13.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-21T10:28:15.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
所以有可能不邀，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-21T10:28:15.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-21T10:28:16.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
尊重4位外部委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-21T10:28:16.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-21T10:28:26.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
另外請教一下總長，到目前為止，有沒有約談過我們的總代表楊珍妮，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
蘇人事長俊榮 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-21T10:28:27.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-21T10:28:33.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
報告委員，因為整個程序在進行，我個人不曉得，因為進行的過程中是保密的行為。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-21T10:28:34.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-21T10:28:58.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
這個事情有關於涉及霸凌的事情，尤其最近謝宜容的二審判決出爐，其實又勾起大家的回憶，有關於我們公務人員，尤其公務系統，應該是霸凌零容忍，但是我們沒有想到在這麼高的層級也出現這樣子涉嫌霸凌的事件，當然大家真的高度關注。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-21T10:28:59.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-21T10:29:57.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我在這邊要特別提醒院長跟人事總處，我有調資料，也謝謝你們提供資料，雖然很多部會現在都不願意提供我資料，經我整理，在謝宜容事件發生之後，行政院成立了霸凌通報平臺，現在通報數量最高的前三名，包含衛福部34件、法務部28件、內政部24件，而且非常奇怪的是，到目前為止，通報事件一共237件，但是只有5%（14件）是成立的，大概有46%不成立，其他的其實量數最多，將近五成，所以這「其他」是什麼意思？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-21T10:29:58.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-21T10:30:00.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
是可能成立、可能不成立？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-21T10:30:00.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-21T10:30:02.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
是裡面有和解嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-21T10:30:02.625000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-21T10:30:04.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
還是裡面有施壓嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-21T10:30:05.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-21T10:30:30.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我們既然有這樣的通報平臺，以現在的數字看起來，不可謂不嚴重，因為大概短短2年的時間，通報的案件就有兩百多件，雖然裡面大概有46%是不成立的，但裡面還是有成立或者是你列為其他的，我真的就不知道這「其他」是什麼意思？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-21T10:30:30.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-21T10:30:44.310000+08:00 |
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所以也請院長及人事總處能夠高度關注這個案子，公家機關裡面一定是霸凌零容忍！ |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:30:45.570000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:31:28.266000+08:00 |
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第三個議題，部長應該知道，現在公共政策網路參與平臺中有一個議題是最熱門的，就是「建請行政院與勞動部立即中止引進印度勞工計畫，優先確保國人治安與性別平權環境」，當然這個議題非常明顯是擔心我們國內婦幼的治安問題，我很明確的表達，我反對引進印度移工，這個是我公開講的。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:31:30.028000+08:00 |
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當然這段時間，曾經有一些政治的口水或政治的帶風向，說這個是國民黨，就是在野黨在主導這個政策、同意這個政策，而最近經過台灣事實查核中心認證，他說是民進黨政府主導政策。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:31:55.448000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:32:32.893000+08:00 |
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院長，我要跟您請教，就我所了解，對於大部分關心這個議題的民眾，他其實已經不會去追究到底……你們是政府，民進黨就是行政單位、政府，不管是在立法院或者行政院，到底是怎麼去形成這個政策，但一個是關心婦幼的安全，因為在印度國內、在全世界，很多的新聞媒體統計，擔心有性侵的問題。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:32:32.893000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:32:52.321000+08:00 |
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另外，勞動部針對失聯移工的黑洞遲遲不能解決，反對在這個時候引進印度移工的原因大概就兩個：一個是擔心婦幼安全，其實在公共政策平臺很明顯的就告訴你是治安問題。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:32:52.321000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:02.904000+08:00 |
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第二個是失聯移工的黑洞，因為據政府統計，現在大概有9萬4,000名失聯移工、逃逸移工無法解決。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:03.564000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:13.537000+08:00 |
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所以我要請教院長和部長，到目前為止，我們會不會中止印度移工的引進？ |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:14.742000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:21.084000+08:00 |
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勞工政策四項原則跟委員報告，第一個，國家需要更多的本國勞工跟外籍移工，這個是事實。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:21.084000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:27.745000+08:00 |
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第二個，勞動部已經在全球各地，譬如東南亞國家，多元的引進各國的勞工，這也是已經在做的。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:28.225000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:32.286000+08:00 |
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第三個，有沒有產業在臺灣需要引進印度的移工？ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:32.887000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:34.027000+08:00 |
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那要看產業的需求。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:34.547000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:42.429000+08:00 |
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第四個，就算要引進，也要符合印度跟我方雙方政府談好的各種內容規定，這是四項原則。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:43.169000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:49.675000+08:00 |
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所以我不希望我們用國家的歧視來講這個事情，但是國內的安全、國內的治安，我們會重視。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:49.815000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:54.980000+08:00 |
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目前為止，勞動部方面並沒有產業提出這樣的需求，最近有沒有變化？ |
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0.929 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:55.420000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:55.961000+08:00 |
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請部長再說明。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:55.961000+08:00 |
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1 |
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目前有沒有？ |
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0 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:56.121000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:59.484000+08:00 |
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因為部長在立法院說，今年年底要引進。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:33:59.704000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:01.486000+08:00 |
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所以我請問一下，今年年底會不會引進？ |
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0.875 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:01.486000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:06.624667+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，到目前為止，在沒有符合我們講的兩個要求之前，其實並沒有引進的問題，也沒有時間表的問題。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:06.624667+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:11.763333+08:00 |
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所以到目前為止是沒有要引進的意思？ |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:11.763333+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:16.902000+08:00 |
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沒有符合我講的這兩個條件的話，就沒有所謂引進的問題，也沒有時間表的問題。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:16.902000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:20.406000+08:00 |
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目前也沒有任何的產業來要求？ |
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0.692 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:20.406000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:24.231000+08:00 |
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就是這兩個條件是最重要的事情，所以如果沒有達到，就沒有時間表的問題。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:24.231000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:25.712000+08:00 |
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所以你們到現在為止還留個尾巴就是了？ |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:26.313000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:27.734000+08:00 |
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這樣民眾還是會擔心啊！ |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:27.734000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:28.734000+08:00 |
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所以這個繼續在連署…… |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:27.894000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:31.957000+08:00 |
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安全絕對是我們最重視、最優先的事情，各種的安全都是我們最重視、最優先的事情。 |
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0.735 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:32.218000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:51.613000+08:00 |
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但我還是要提醒勞動部，你們一直在講有配套、配套，可是因為大家沒有看到，所以你現在的回答還是比較空泛，所以這個議題沒有辦法完全去弭平大家的疑慮。 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:52.113000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:57.255857+08:00 |
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安全絕對是我們最優先、最優先的事情，當然！ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T10:34:57.555857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:35:02.127286+08:00 |
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政府的把關責任不會放掉，請委員放心。 |
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王委員鴻薇 |
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2026-04-21T10:35:02.427286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:35:14.141571+08:00 |
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我希望在大家還有這些疑慮之前……其實現在還在連署，我希望現在就終止引進印度移工，好不好？謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-21T10:35:14.441571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:35:15.870143+08:00 |
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謝謝王委員。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-21T10:35:16.170143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:35:17.598714+08:00 |
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謝謝卓院長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-21T10:35:17.898714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T10:35:21.041571+08:00 |
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下一位請蔡易餘委員質詢。 |
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