| IVOD_ID |
168632 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168632 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-20T09:50:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-20T10:01:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e28731ead054c667881c7605baedd12a0bb0aa4f2401163117afc2db568c50631128cb8e9f3039315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:50:50 - 10:01:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信得列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席有請雲安會林主委好 我們請林主委好 委員好好 林主委好再請教一下這個因為陽梅休息站自從它設立這個從117年12月25號啟用到現在為止這個我知道你們也在努力的去做一個這個雲安會的一個相關的一些調查 |
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那現在發生的在單一的交流道附近的一個這個紮道上面就發生了17件的一個算是已經蠻大型的一個車禍死亡人數5人受傷人數28人這是高空局給我們的一個最新的統計 |
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那從114年去年1月25號因為發生了四死四傷的重大車禍你們也因為這樣的啟動了運安會的一個調查但我們發覺因為調查一年三個月四個月了最終的一個結論還沒出來但這車禍持續在發生又持續發生那這個的部分到底還要多久 |
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你們在1月25號針對陽梅休息站這個最終的判斷報告會出來說明一下包委員這個月底以前這個報告就會出來了這個月底嗎對好那現在有一個發生了幾個情況就是你們第一個 |
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在整個事情當時發了一個非常特別的叫運輸安全通告但發運輸安全通告就代表說這件事情我雖然最終報告我一定行政的流程有很多合意制要一堆人去判斷那有很多的一個流程需要時間但是很多事情太緊急了必須即刻要有一些作為所以你們發了這樣的一個安全通報但是我們特別 |
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覺得現在都是政府機關啦我們覺得現在尤其很多的民眾尤其在這個的事情的受害的一些的民眾這個對你的期待是蠻深的因為這個事件1月25號中大車禍發生之後我們特別全民關注我們也請教了當時高工局 |
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高工局他的回答到我們4月17號前兩天問他你的答案是不是跟我們去年問的一樣他說一模一樣他答案是什麼呢到底為什麼會發生1月25號四死四傷的一個車禍呢他認為是這個 |
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行車輔助系統不當以及要駕駛比較分心的問題他到現在還是這樣的說因為我們問他說第一個當然人為因素是一種可能性吧我駕駛的個人因素第二個呢是硬體或是車輛車輛有一些機械或者其他的因素的故障 |
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非人為因素第三個也是非人為因素就是道路我們道路是不是安全在設施標線各個措施上不當這三個因素那高空渠道 |
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前幾天的一個認知還是跟他沒有關係跟大陸社區武漢就是駕駛的一個因素就是車輛它的自動行車輔助的一個問題那現在你們就你們了解 諸位你贊不贊成高雄局他這樣的一個說法就你們現階段調查 |
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我們現階段的調查的初步的指導看法是這樣子啦這個每一個預示事故都不是一個單一的噪音所造成的啦絕對不是單一啦那當然這個案子剛委員有提到我們有發調查期間安全動畫裡面有告訴他說你有短曲線左曲線右曲線的問題我們也告訴他你的道路線型跟竣工圖有不一致的地方等等 |
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那他就去優化了所以這個調查報告出來之後不會是單一的遭遇事件他也是在等我們因為他是主管機關當然他也講他目前是OK但是以我們的調查報告為主 |
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好那我現在有個期待我們調查報告我們看你們過去調查報告你們要這個很具體的不要太抽象一定很具體的每一條是就是不是就不是誰出了什麼問題當然這麼多一個車禍17件在這樣的一個這麼集中我覺得有一些奇怪的問題17件車禍17個不同的駕駛可能也有 |
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好幾種不同的車輛那同樣發生在這個地方我覺得真的確實有一個是這個紮道道路設計確實一個非常可能一個變成一個主要的一個因素所以我們希望你在最後報告針對如果即使是政府大家也不要說鄉委員他在政府的時候把它優化美化然後弄到看不出來說得不清不楚畢竟你這個運安會的一個報告 |
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看起來是針對於去年1月25號他單一一件車禍但是如果答案是屬於高工局有國家的一個因素的時候 |
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那會非常可能適用到其他的一個車禍除了其他車禍比如酒駕或者明顯的個人因素之外那應該那是沒辦法所以我們看到你的進度到了運輸安全通告已經發了那高工具也說他們有做了一些微調了做一些微調了那你們調查報告這個 |
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月底一定會出來嗎一定會出來我們希望是有非常非常具體的那為什麼呢你要具體的報告啦因為這是當時你們發這個安全通告的時候我們看到你們這邊有特別選說 |
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發現事故路段道路工程相關的現況有部分喔與法規建議值跟原設計規範不一致這個你們寫的是蠻具體的喔第二陽媚休息站扎到的 |
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這個分割老鼻端距離過短曲線不足道路設計的問題那當然你這邊也有一些說可能駕駛員啊是不是沒有安全帶啊他不是單因素吧可能也有一些屬他個人因素啊 |
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那我想請教一下因為你們的規定是這樣啦因為緊急你們發了這個安全通告但是安全通告最終是要列入最終報告的這個幾個項目有沒有變會不會最終報告會不會不見了不會 |
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所以你們的想法還是這樣嗎還是在OK如果不見的話那就糗了那個安全公告警戒安全公告都這麼嚴重的事情你們發了之後如果你們不見了就等於說抱歉我搞錯了但是你同樣一天那個報告發完之後就像我剛剛說的 |
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高雄局當時的說法是跟你完全不一樣他說設計皆符合規範其實我也不太清楚你們兩個按照道理看的是應該是同一個道路設計的一個標準一個規範為什麼他覺得他都 |
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完全OK你們覺得很明顯部分與法規建議時就不同那這個差別在這個這個月底的報告整個出來應該可以兩個不同意見就只有一種看法吧主委應該不會有不同意見就以運安會的報告為主啊對啊因為他有說明嘛他事業室要給你們說明是不是還是不承認啊 |
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還有最後掙扎嗎沒有這個可能好我希望你們要堅持這個專業那剛剛已經講過了因為從你們去年9月2號做的事實調查你緊急發的運輸安全報告上面都有講這是針對於高工局不管是標線標誌交通的設施有缺失的這個問題我們希望他絕對不能不見 |
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可是如果他持續在你們最終報告出來的時候那會很明顯就發生一件事國賠 你的國家賠償因為事實上國賠法第六條明顯規定那不管在公共設施它的設置管理如果存在欠缺的時候造成人民不管是他的生命財產損害 |
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那必須要去國賠那這個事情你有分隔到彼端設計的可能的一個問題這是你們的目前的判斷跟碰撞防護段設施它是不是妥當跟道路線型的整個問題那這個部分我想在整個調查過程中你有沒有跟交通部或者高空局明顯你已經寫出來了嘛他們都沒有跟你去這個他們有沒有心理準備好要國賠這件事情啊這個我們並不知道 |
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586.675 |
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你不知道我不知道因為這個國賠是另外有一個程序好那如果你這三個對於交通標線標誌在我們陽梅休息站如果確定在月底報告出來符不符合國家賠償法第六條公共設施跟管理存在欠缺有沒有可能符合 |
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588.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
614.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
幫忙判斷一下因為都是同樣條法律啊我們運安會的調查不是以處分啦或者是以追究責任為目的所以我們尊重國家賠償法所律令的裁決機關的判斷你會不會產生壓力啊因為造成其他國家機關可能面臨17件最多17件的一個國賠問題你本身會不會有壓力會不會因壓力去改你的報告啊 |
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615.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
637.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
不會啊 一點都不會啊完全不會嗎完全不會啊好 那我想這樣的啦 就等待你這個月底的針對於陽梅休息站附近是不是有政府或者高工局他的一個標線標誌設施有欠缺的問題我希望這個我們能夠盡快知道這些受害者他也等待你的消息 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |