| IVOD_ID |
168632 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168632 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-20T09:50:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-20T10:01:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e28731ead054c667881c7605baedd12a0bb0aa4f2401163117afc2db568c50631128cb8e9f3039315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:50:50 - 10:01:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信得列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席有請雲安會林主委好 我們請林主委好 委員好好 林主委好再請教一下這個因為陽梅休息站自從它設立這個從117年12月25號啟用到現在為止這個我知道你們也在努力的去做一個這個雲安會的一個相關的一些調查 |
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那現在發生的在單一的交流道附近的一個這個紮道上面就發生了17件的一個算是已經蠻大型的一個車禍死亡人數5人受傷人數28人這是高空局給我們的一個最新的統計 |
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那從114年去年1月25號因為發生了四死四傷的重大車禍你們也因為這樣的啟動了運安會的一個調查但我們發覺因為調查一年三個月四個月了最終的一個結論還沒出來但這車禍持續在發生又持續發生那這個的部分到底還要多久 |
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你們在1月25號針對陽梅休息站這個最終的判斷報告會出來說明一下包委員這個月底以前這個報告就會出來了這個月底嗎對好那現在有一個發生了幾個情況就是你們第一個 |
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在整個事情當時發了一個非常特別的叫運輸安全通告但發運輸安全通告就代表說這件事情我雖然最終報告我一定行政的流程有很多合意制要一堆人去判斷那有很多的一個流程需要時間但是很多事情太緊急了必須即刻要有一些作為所以你們發了這樣的一個安全通報但是我們特別 |
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覺得現在都是政府機關啦我們覺得現在尤其很多的民眾尤其在這個的事情的受害的一些的民眾這個對你的期待是蠻深的因為這個事件1月25號中大車禍發生之後我們特別全民關注我們也請教了當時高工局 |
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高工局他的回答到我們4月17號前兩天問他你的答案是不是跟我們去年問的一樣他說一模一樣他答案是什麼呢到底為什麼會發生1月25號四死四傷的一個車禍呢他認為是這個 |
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行車輔助系統不當以及要駕駛比較分心的問題他到現在還是這樣的說因為我們問他說第一個當然人為因素是一種可能性吧我駕駛的個人因素第二個呢是硬體或是車輛車輛有一些機械或者其他的因素的故障 |
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非人為因素第三個也是非人為因素就是道路我們道路是不是安全在設施標線各個措施上不當這三個因素那高空渠道 |
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前幾天的一個認知還是跟他沒有關係跟大陸社區武漢就是駕駛的一個因素就是車輛它的自動行車輔助的一個問題那現在你們就你們了解 諸位你贊不贊成高雄局他這樣的一個說法就你們現階段調查 |
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我們現階段的調查的初步的指導看法是這樣子啦這個每一個預示事故都不是一個單一的噪音所造成的啦絕對不是單一啦那當然這個案子剛委員有提到我們有發調查期間安全動畫裡面有告訴他說你有短曲線左曲線右曲線的問題我們也告訴他你的道路線型跟竣工圖有不一致的地方等等 |
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那他就去優化了所以這個調查報告出來之後不會是單一的遭遇事件他也是在等我們因為他是主管機關當然他也講他目前是OK但是以我們的調查報告為主 |
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好那我現在有個期待我們調查報告我們看你們過去調查報告你們要這個很具體的不要太抽象一定很具體的每一條是就是不是就不是誰出了什麼問題當然這麼多一個車禍17件在這樣的一個這麼集中我覺得有一些奇怪的問題17件車禍17個不同的駕駛可能也有 |
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好幾種不同的車輛那同樣發生在這個地方我覺得真的確實有一個是這個紮道道路設計確實一個非常可能一個變成一個主要的一個因素所以我們希望你在最後報告針對如果即使是政府大家也不要說鄉委員他在政府的時候把它優化美化然後弄到看不出來說得不清不楚畢竟你這個運安會的一個報告 |
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看起來是針對於去年1月25號他單一一件車禍但是如果答案是屬於高工局有國家的一個因素的時候 |
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那會非常可能適用到其他的一個車禍除了其他車禍比如酒駕或者明顯的個人因素之外那應該那是沒辦法所以我們看到你的進度到了運輸安全通告已經發了那高工具也說他們有做了一些微調了做一些微調了那你們調查報告這個 |
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月底一定會出來嗎一定會出來我們希望是有非常非常具體的那為什麼呢你要具體的報告啦因為這是當時你們發這個安全通告的時候我們看到你們這邊有特別選說 |
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發現事故路段道路工程相關的現況有部分喔與法規建議值跟原設計規範不一致這個你們寫的是蠻具體的喔第二陽媚休息站扎到的 |
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這個分割老鼻端距離過短曲線不足道路設計的問題那當然你這邊也有一些說可能駕駛員啊是不是沒有安全帶啊他不是單因素吧可能也有一些屬他個人因素啊 |
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那我想請教一下因為你們的規定是這樣啦因為緊急你們發了這個安全通告但是安全通告最終是要列入最終報告的這個幾個項目有沒有變會不會最終報告會不會不見了不會 |
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所以你們的想法還是這樣嗎還是在OK如果不見的話那就糗了那個安全公告警戒安全公告都這麼嚴重的事情你們發了之後如果你們不見了就等於說抱歉我搞錯了但是你同樣一天那個報告發完之後就像我剛剛說的 |
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高雄局當時的說法是跟你完全不一樣他說設計皆符合規範其實我也不太清楚你們兩個按照道理看的是應該是同一個道路設計的一個標準一個規範為什麼他覺得他都 |
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完全OK你們覺得很明顯部分與法規建議時就不同那這個差別在這個這個月底的報告整個出來應該可以兩個不同意見就只有一種看法吧主委應該不會有不同意見就以運安會的報告為主啊對啊因為他有說明嘛他事業室要給你們說明是不是還是不承認啊 |
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還有最後掙扎嗎沒有這個可能好我希望你們要堅持這個專業那剛剛已經講過了因為從你們去年9月2號做的事實調查你緊急發的運輸安全報告上面都有講這是針對於高工局不管是標線標誌交通的設施有缺失的這個問題我們希望他絕對不能不見 |
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可是如果他持續在你們最終報告出來的時候那會很明顯就發生一件事國賠 你的國家賠償因為事實上國賠法第六條明顯規定那不管在公共設施它的設置管理如果存在欠缺的時候造成人民不管是他的生命財產損害 |
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那必須要去國賠那這個事情你有分隔到彼端設計的可能的一個問題這是你們的目前的判斷跟碰撞防護段設施它是不是妥當跟道路線型的整個問題那這個部分我想在整個調查過程中你有沒有跟交通部或者高空局明顯你已經寫出來了嘛他們都沒有跟你去這個他們有沒有心理準備好要國賠這件事情啊這個我們並不知道 |
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你不知道我不知道因為這個國賠是另外有一個程序好那如果你這三個對於交通標線標誌在我們陽梅休息站如果確定在月底報告出來符不符合國家賠償法第六條公共設施跟管理存在欠缺有沒有可能符合 |
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幫忙判斷一下因為都是同樣條法律啊我們運安會的調查不是以處分啦或者是以追究責任為目的所以我們尊重國家賠償法所律令的裁決機關的判斷你會不會產生壓力啊因為造成其他國家機關可能面臨17件最多17件的一個國賠問題你本身會不會有壓力會不會因壓力去改你的報告啊 |
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不會啊 一點都不會啊完全不會嗎完全不會啊好 那我想這樣的啦 就等待你這個月底的針對於陽梅休息站附近是不是有政府或者高工局他的一個標線標誌設施有欠缺的問題我希望這個我們能夠盡快知道這些受害者他也等待你的消息 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:50:52.572000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，有請運安會林主委。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-20T09:50:52.872000+08:00 |
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好，我們請林主委。 |
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林主任委員信得 |
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2026-04-20T09:50:53.353000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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魯委員明哲 |
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林主委好。 |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:50:53.713000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:51:37.366000+08:00 |
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請教一下，楊梅休息站自從110年12月25號啟用到現在為止，我知道運安會也努力的去做相關的調查，現在在單一交流道附近的一個匝道上面就發生了17件算是蠻大型的車禍，死亡人數5人、受傷人數28人，這是高公局給我們的最新統計。 |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:51:41.931000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:52:12.220000+08:00 |
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114（去）年1月25號發生了4死4傷的重大車禍，你們也因為這樣啟動了運安會的調查，我們發覺調查1年3個月了，最終的結論還沒出來，但是車禍又持續在發生，針對1月25號楊梅休息站最終的判斷報告到底還要多久？ |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:52:12.981000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:52:13.281000+08:00 |
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請說明一下。 |
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林主任委員信得 |
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2026-04-20T09:52:14.322000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:52:16.604000+08:00 |
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報告委員，這個月底以前報告就會出來了。 |
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0.882 |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:52:17.665000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:52:19.186000+08:00 |
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這個月底？對。 |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:52:19.186000+08:00 |
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好，現在發生了幾個情況，第一個，在事件當時發了一個非常特別的運輸安全通告，發運輸安全通告就代表這件事情雖然會有最終的報告，惟行政的流程有很多合議制，要一堆人去判斷，有很多的流程需要時間，但是很多事情太緊急了，必須即刻要有一些作為，所以你們發了這樣的安全通告，但是我們特別覺得，現在都是政府機關啦！ |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:52:58.943000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:53:25.594000+08:00 |
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尤其因為這個事件受害的一些民眾對你的期待是蠻深的，因為1月25號重大車禍發生之後，特別引起全民的關注，當時我們也請教了高公局，到4月17號也就是前兩天我們再問高公局：你的答案是不是跟我們去年問的一樣？ |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:53:25.594000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-20T09:53:27.695000+08:00 |
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他說一模一樣，他答案是什麼呢？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:53:28.255000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:53:32.357000+08:00 |
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到底為什麼會發生1月25號4死4傷的車禍呢？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-20T09:53:32.817000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-20T09:53:43.783000+08:00 |
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他認為是行車輔助系統不當，以及駕駛疲勞、分心的問題，到現在還是這樣的說法。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:53:43.783000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:54:05.660000+08:00 |
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因為我們問他：第一、當然人為因素是一種可能性或駕駛的個人因素；第二、硬體的車輛有些機械或者其他因素的故障，非人為因素；第三、也是非人為因素，就是道路，我們的道路是否安全或設施、標線各項措施不當，有這三個因素。 |
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0.924 |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:54:06.361000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:54:20.624000+08:00 |
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高公局到前幾天的認知還是跟他沒有關係，跟道路設計無關，是駕駛的因素及車輛自動行車輔助的問題。 |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:54:22.025000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:54:27.069000+08:00 |
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現在就你們了解及現階段的調查，主委贊不贊成高公局這樣的說法？ |
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0.643 |
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林主任委員信得 |
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2026-04-20T09:54:27.690000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:55:06.251000+08:00 |
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我們現階段調查的初步看法是這樣，每一個運輸事故都不是由單一肇因所造成，絕對不是單一，這個案子剛剛委員有提到，我們發的調查期間安全狀況裡面有告訴他，你有短曲線、左曲線、右曲線的問題，我們也告訴他道路線型跟竣工圖有不一致的地方等等，那他就去優化了，所以這個調查報告出來之後，不會是單一的肇因事件，它也是在等我們啦！ |
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林主任委員信得 |
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2026-04-20T09:55:06.251000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:55:10.453000+08:00 |
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因為它是主管機關，它也講它目前是OK嘛！ |
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0.778 |
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林主任委員信得 |
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2026-04-20T09:55:10.994000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:55:12.935000+08:00 |
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但是以我們的調查報告為主。 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-20T09:55:14.059000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:55:28.132000+08:00 |
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好，那我現在有個期待，我們看你們過去的調查報告，你們要很具體的，不要太抽象，一定是很具體的，每一條是就是、不是就不是，誰出了什麼問題。 |
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0.966 |
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魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:55:28.132000+08:00 |
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當然這麼多的車禍，17件這麼集中，我覺得有一些奇怪的問題，17件車禍有17個不同的駕駛，可能也有好幾種不同的車輛，同樣發生在這個地方，我覺得匝道、道路設計確實非常可能是一個主要的因素。 |
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0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:55:51.266000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:56:05.310000+08:00 |
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所以我們希望你在最後報告時，即使是政府，大家也不要鄉愿，把它優化、美化弄到看不出來，說得不清不楚。 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:56:06.310000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:56:32.249000+08:00 |
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畢竟運安會的報告，看起來是針對去年1月25號單一的1件車禍，但是如果答案是屬於高公局，有國家因素的時候，那就非常可能適用到其他的車禍，除了其他車禍，譬如有酒駕或者明顯個人因素之外，那是沒辦法。 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:56:32.670000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:56:47.156000+08:00 |
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所以我們看到你的進度到了運輸安全通告已經發了，高公局也說他們有做了一些微調了，那你們的調查報告這個月底一定會出來嘛？ |
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0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-20T09:56:47.156000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:56:47.757000+08:00 |
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一定會出來。 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:56:47.757000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:56:50.720000+08:00 |
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我們希望是非常非常具體的，為什麼呢？ |
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| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-20T09:56:51.300000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:57:14.225000+08:00 |
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你要具體的報告，因為當時你們發安全通告的時候，我們看到你們有特別寫發現事故路段道路工程相關的現況，有部分與法規建議值或原設計規範不一致，這個你們寫的是滿具體的喔！ |
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0.961 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-20T09:57:14.766000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:57:34.117000+08:00 |
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第二，楊梅休息站匝道的分隔島，鼻端距離過短、曲線不足的道路設計問題，當然你這邊也有說可能駕駛員是不是沒有安全帶，它不是單一因素，可能又有一些屬於他個人的因素。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
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2026-04-20T09:57:35.057000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:57:48.531000+08:00 |
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那我想請教一下，因為你們的規定是這樣，因為緊急你們發了安全通告，但是安全通告最終是要列入最終報告的，這幾個項目有沒有變？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-20T09:57:48.811000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:57:49.412000+08:00 |
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最終報告會不會不見了？不會。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-20T09:57:52.304000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:57:54.365000+08:00 |
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所以你們的想法還是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-20T09:57:54.365000+08:00 |
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2026-04-20T09:57:54.505000+08:00 |
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還是在。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-20T09:57:55.086000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-20T09:57:56.927000+08:00 |
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OK，如果不見的話，那就糗啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-20T09:57:58.087000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-20T09:58:05.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
緊急安全通告這麼嚴重的事情，你發了之後如果不見，就等於說：抱歉，我搞錯了。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-20T09:58:06.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-20T09:58:31.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
但是同樣一天那個報告發完之後，就像我剛剛說的，高公局當時的說法是跟你完全不一樣，他說設計皆符合規範，其實我也不太清楚，你們兩個按照道理，看的應該是同一個道路設計的標準規範，為什麼他們覺得完全OK，而你們覺得很明顯，部分與法規建議值不同？ |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-20T09:58:32.503000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-20T09:58:41.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
這個差別在這個月底的報告整個出來後，這兩個不同的意見應該就只有一種看法吧？主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-20T09:58:43.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-20T09:58:47.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
應該不會有不同的意見，就以運安會的報告為主。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-20T09:58:47.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-20T09:58:48.408000+08:00 |
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因為他有說明嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-20T09:58:48.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-20T09:58:51.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
他4月10號給你們說明，是不是他一直不承認？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-20T09:58:51.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-20T09:58:54.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
我不覺得有不一致。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-20T09:58:54.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-20T09:58:56.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
還要最後掙扎？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-20T09:58:56.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-20T09:58:57.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
沒有這個可能。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-20T09:58:57.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-20T09:59:02.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
好，我希望你們要堅持專業。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-20T09:59:02.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-20T09:59:29.128000+08:00 |
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剛剛已經講過了，因為從你們去年9月2號做的事實調查，你緊急發的運輸安全報告上面都有講，這是針對高公局，不管是標線、標誌，交通設施有缺失的問題，我們希望它絕對不能不見，可是如果它持續，在你們最終報告出來的時候，那很明顯就會發生一件事，國賠。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-20T09:59:30.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-20T09:59:46.635000+08:00 |
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因為事實上國賠法第六條明顯規定，公共設施它的設置管理如果存在欠缺的時候，造成人民生命財產損害，必須要去國賠。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-20T09:59:46.975000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-20T10:00:12.235000+08:00 |
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這個事情可能有分隔島鼻端設計的問題，這是你們目前的判斷，跟碰撞防護段設施是不是妥當，跟道路線型的整個問題，那這個部分我想在整個調查過程中，你有沒有跟交通部或者高公局……明顯你已經寫出來了，他們都沒有跟你去……他們有沒有心理準備好要國賠這件事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-20T10:00:13.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-20T10:00:14.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
這個我們並不知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-20T10:00:14.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-20T10:00:14.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
你不知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-20T10:00:15.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-20T10:00:18.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我不知道，因為國賠是另外有一個程序。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-20T10:00:19.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-20T10:00:35.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
如果你這三個……對於交通標線、標誌，在我們楊梅休息站，如果確定在月底報告出來，符不符合國家賠償法第六條公共設施跟管理存在欠缺？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-20T10:00:36.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-20T10:00:36.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
有沒有可能符合？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-20T10:00:38.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-20T10:00:40.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
你幫忙判斷一下，因為都是同樣一條法律。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-20T10:00:41.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-20T10:00:52.937000+08:00 |
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我們運安會的調查，不是以處分或者追究責任為目的，所以我們尊重國家賠償法所律定的裁決機關的判斷。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-20T10:00:52.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-20T10:00:53.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
你會不會產生壓力？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-20T10:00:54.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-20T10:01:02.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
因為造成其他國家機關可能面臨最多17件的國賠問題，你本身會不會有壓力？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-20T10:01:02.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-20T10:01:04.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
會不會因壓力去改你的報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-20T10:01:05.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-20T10:01:05.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
不會啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-20T10:01:05.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-20T10:01:06.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
一點都不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-20T10:01:06.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-20T10:01:07.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
完全不會嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-20T10:01:07.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-20T10:01:07.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
完全不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
魯委員明哲 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-20T10:01:08.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-20T10:01:27.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
好，那我就等待你這個月底針對楊梅休息站附近，是不是有政府或者高公局的標線、標誌設施有欠缺的問題，我希望我們能夠儘快知道，這些受害者也等待你的消息，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
林主任委員信得 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-20T10:01:27.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-20T10:01:27.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-20T10:01:28.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-20T10:01:31.173143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
謝謝魯明哲委員的發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-20T10:01:31.473143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-20T10:01:34.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
接下來請陳素月委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |