| IVOD_ID |
168631 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168631 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-20T09:40:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-20T09:50:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e28731ead054c667145540465c0ea56b0bb0aa4f2401163117afc2db568c5063c86df9d5e1265cba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:40:10 - 09:50:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信得列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 感謝主席 本時邀請我們運安會的林主委好 我們請林主委阿偉 早主委好主委 其實運安會喔 我認為是一個非常重要的單位只是可惜喔 一般民眾可能也不知道我們在做什麼或者是說我們跟外界的彼此互動喔 |
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我認為我們可以參考幾項國外的做法比如說現在民眾比較關心的或者是我們運安會正積極在調查的幾個安全問題我舉個例子 你像澳洲澳洲的運安會他就會用一個所謂安全建議Safety Watch他就說我現在在做這些事情 |
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讓民眾了解到你關心的事情那我們有正在做例如大家對於新興載具的疑慮是吧最近發生幾個重大的電動車的車禍好像去年楊梅休息站自撞起火的事情那是非常悲哀 人間慘劇 |
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那兩個好像兩個大人六個小孩撞了車子起火最後導致啊一個大人跟三個小孩不幸離難是死是傷啊這是重大車禍那起火撞到以後呢那個電動車就燒起來了這是我不知道是不是國產還是進口這是一個掛韓國韓國品牌的汽車了 |
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另外像更嚴重的去年6月大都會電動公車起火這個電動公車沒有車禍他沒有撞到任何東西停在路邊自己燒起來還好沒有導致任何的傷亡這公車是公共運輸了如果萬一你滿載上面集滿了乘客那起火了那還得了 |
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所以像這種類似重大的交通事情事故啊那我們運安會我相信你們有在調查啦我看你今天的業務報告你說你今年有發布事實資料報告預計今年十月 |
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才會提出最終的調查是不是這樣子來 主委你談一下你對這兩項事情還有對新興運輸載具那未來我們運安會有沒有什麼樣的一個對於相關不幸事故的防範我們有沒有調查出什麼樣的建議具體建議來 請我們對新興運具的具體的做法是這樣子我們 |
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把這個人員訓練加強然後在實務調查中會從專業上的調能量來提升那剛剛委員提到的遙美休息站找到這個案子大概這個月的下旬也就是下個禮拜這個禮拜一會會結案大都會這個公車這個案子也 |
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11月份會完成那委員講的沒有錯我們對電動公車有一些事故尤其是電池我們現在也是在建立檔案建立這個資料庫看看能不能能不能做有系統上的一個分析你剛講的系統性的資料分析我待會也會跟你談這個問題第一個 |
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為什麼車輛事故啊都會有啊那你看為什麼最怕的就是碰撞以外啊你像這種騎火燃燒尤其電動車楊梅那個慘劇發生是因為他撞了以後啊喪失了電力啊所以他車子打不開啊他整台車都電動鎖了你現在弄完了電動電力斷了以後啊連逃生的最後機會都沒有所以才會死傷那麼慘 |
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那公車無緣無故自燃 自燃那這個更是 更是嚴重啦所以 我就覺得 運安會喔其實你們的調查 甚至可以影響到相關主管部會的一個政策決定你像他發生車禍 到底為什麼要來你剛才說人員 都是駕駛的問題嗎那公車自己燒起來 你怎麼說那他有沒有車好啊啦他司機有沒有發生什麼 做什麼事情啊 |
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所以他可能是會不會是零組件的問題或者是組裝設計這個車輛根本就設計有問題等等的 |
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其實國人這個是非常關注的政府又在大力的推動相關電動車交通部編列補助電動公車將近一千億,好幾百億像這種公車會電動電子會自動起火自然性的起火這是多可怕的事情還有我們郵安會其實有相當大的一個影響力和建議權 |
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你的報告其實是最專業的例如你說那個三峽自用小客車衝撞行人的事故你的報告裡面寫你要調查是不是有用藥管理駕駛是不是有吃藥的問題我不知道啦 你們還在調查那是不是高齡駕駛換照制度的問題所以年齡跟車禍有沒有直接關係跟車禍的發生比例有沒有直接關係 |
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呃 邏輯上應該是沒有這件事情但是高齡車子可能會有間接的那哪一個年齡開車最危險?老人開車最危險嗎?是這樣嗎?不一定嘛年輕氣盛 孩子也會 年輕人也會更可怕那你能不能做一個系統的分析統計因為交通部現在把70歲以上老人原本他 |
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他逐年換照原本是75歲把他降低到70歲那加農部就是說因為他這麼做他就是加農部認定老人駕駛比較危險那請問運安會有這樣的一個研究報告嗎還沒有會在這個報告裡面會提出相關的見解如果沒有的話那加農部是要不要改回來這個我請我請共事組組長他現在這個案子好來來總理長 |
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在三峽案我們有調查這個高齡相關的議題包含說認知功能測試跟體格檢查那確實高齡的問題這邊我們在這個報告裡面是沒有去詳細的探究這個所謂年齡的這個問題因為就像委員剛剛說的這邊年齡的話事實上各個年齡層都會發生事故 |
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不過就高齡來講的話確實他真的老年人就是老化了嘛就是身體老化所以他的體格跟認知功能這邊確實會有一些影響所以我們就就這些議題來做相關的分析跟這個具體說改善建議如果你認為這個案子不是連齡的那為什麼去研究連齡所造成的你剛剛給我的答案問得很奇怪 |
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你說車禍發生跟年齡不一定有應該是不一定啦 是沒有直接關係啦少數個案啦 因為每個個案都會有啊也有十七八歲的更危險啦 沒有駕照的啊是不是可是你給我們的報告裡面 你就已經把三峽的車禍定義為重點就是高齡駕駛換照問題 要用藥管理沒關係啦 我就期待你的調查啦只是齁 你們運安會啊 其實是很重要的啦 |
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不是一個冷牙門啦你要把自己給做熱起來嘛你們一個報告是最具權威性的甚至應該可以影響或者指導行政部門作為政策的一個調整嘛那你剛提到的一個資料庫我們來看一下運安會的資料庫螢幕我給你看來運安會都用一個PDF的檔啊來像這樣子啦那一般這個是Excel檔啦 |
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那一般的學界啦 企業或者個人那如果要參考一些所謂的交通運具或者是各種運輸 用安會曾經調查過提供的建議 |
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這根本看不出一個系統性的資料的歸納我要點進去比如說事故發生的地點事故發生的原因在整個事故當中的一些細節你要自己去讀報告你要自己去歸納 |
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那你看國外的相關運安會的網站你看美國它就是很清楚地列出來發生的時間、地點、類型、分類、標準涉及的比如說如果航空的話叫航空器、傷亡人數、天氣狀況起落時候、機場的資訊等等它在那個檔案你一目了然你不必去讀它的報告它都把重點先幫你抓出來 |
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那再看台灣的 我再給你看一下 主委你看 台灣就是這樣我覺得我把報告丟給你 你自己去讀啦所以我認為 可能很多的 就是說醫安會以外的單位學界也好 民間單位也好 或者是個人也好他可能需要參佐 或者是有做相關的研究 或者是需要了解那是不是我們的資料提供可以更友善一點這是我的一個想法和建議 好不好 因為我時間的關係啦 |
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我們私下可以跟你聯絡好不好你不能用這樣子用這樣子啦你要了解的自己看自己讀自己去去去檢資料自己去做分析好不好我們讓我們資料的搜索更有效率一樣有需要這些資料的人能夠更方便更友善的提供給大家好不好好謝謝 |