| IVOD_ID |
168609 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168609 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-16T10:18:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-16T10:24:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5c6c6faabdac9c28f0b2eb7dd39524c624d82c1ebe87fe24e494fea1324b5f1a4e5686418a82e3265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:19 - 10:24:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長、國家發展委員會主任委員及農業部部長就「我國再生能源及電網韌性之發展現況、建置進度、容量目標、推動困境、法規障礙及相關改善對策」進行報告，並備質詢。
【4月15日及4月16日二天一次會】） |
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好,謝謝主席,請工部長 |
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我們能源的配比大概有五成是天然氣 三成是煤炭兩成就是再生能源 再生能源本來在2025年要達到20%結果到今年才13%而已 2030年要達到30% |
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就會繼續跳票那你說要檢討那也希望你檢討出可以達到的目標的%好不好那最重要我們的所有的能源大部分都是進口過來從國外進口過來的所以如果說國外的情勢有一些變動的話有一些風吹草動的話我們可能就會斷氣跟斷電 |
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所以在這個情形之下我們也大量的在澳洲跟美國來購買了一些我們的替代的能源能夠有現貨的能源但是現在我們看到我們現在的所有的發電的話到7月份的供電都是沒有問題的 |
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因為馬上就要下至供電了這都沒有問題喔那可是你們另外一方面台電部分又再跟台塑公司說要他那個廚藝的賣寮電廠啊你準備後再跟他續約簽三個月是不是是準備要簽約了是那我想瞭解說為什麼 |
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那我們自己台電公司旗下的這些煤炭的發電廠廚藝的部分我們就可以用自己的發電廠為什麼要民營的 |
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台電的電廠都是自己在掌握的啦所以我們要怎麼樣做我們都會事先準備好沒有問題但是跟麥寮因為麥寮是IPP嘛但是我們必須要合約關係所以這個合約關係要先建立起來那我們先建立那個關係因為他必須把已經封存的這些 |
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你打了合約之後的話 就像之前的麥寮他發電沒有足夠的話 你會請他繼續發電那你像剛剛簽了合約 如果不需要的話你還會叫他發電 是不是剛才部長已經講過的 就是說中火的部分就會降低一部分讓麥寮這邊來發我們希望是這樣子啦因為不要在個別城市集中在那邊你要調度一下 分散一下 不要集中在麥寮 |
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對不對因為我們本來台電旗下就有好幾家原來已經廚藝的也可以來做備援好不好一定要分散那接下來想請問的就是說因為我們看到所有的這個發電喔在2029年這個麥寮電廠的話本來他是要從煤炭改成天然氣嘛如果跟我們簽約之後的話他會不會影響到他這個天然氣的這個進程 |
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他有兩個基礎要改成電燃器啊我們要遷移下去 他替我們發電那2029年他能完成嗎沒有問題 他不同的地方不是在麥寮嗎一樣在麥寮那兩個廠嗎跟委員報告一下他1號廠跟3號廠嘛對對對 那你現在兩座的電燃器會在哪裡他在不同的土地2號廠跟另外他有空地那邊改所以不要影響他的進度 電燃器的進度我們再持續追蹤 |
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好 那所以現在本席也要再請教的就是說因為你們剛剛所講的這個天然氣這個發電的問題一定要把它的量都儲存過來不然的話你們又要在麥老這邊再增加兩個廠那接下來想請問的就是說我們的再生能源的話有聽說我們要發展我們的小水利是不是 你們也盤點出40個地方這40個地方你們開始在施作有哪些地方 |
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水利署跟農村署因為他現在盤出來後續會根據他施工的狀況去陸續去做招標的動作那這個資料我們可以再給你這個進程呢 短中長期進程可以 我們這個報告我們看再給我比較細部的因為他現在正在盤出來不要因為他的 |
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發電的那個能量會比較小你們就不去推廣不去執行因為現在桃園我們桃園那個南崁溪那邊已經開始在做了這個小水利發電的他就是利用我們的峻路就水準的峻路跟那個高低差的那個水路來做一個發電雖然發電的量體不同 |
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但是你有40個點你盤點這個40個點的話如果是全國去推動的話一定可以做得更好是不是報告委員上個禮拜我剛好去勘查那個南港系他們確實要規劃一個利用高差去做小水域那目前我們已經有完成的有17個點位正在開發中的有5個點位你說全國是不是對全國那另外還有27個點 |
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就是剛剛委員所談的正在評估中未來要積極推動包含南坎溪的部分我們會積極來辦理只要適合的地點我們都優先來推動 |
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所以你的短中長期 你說你看已經有17個點已經確定了什麼時候可能是使用因為這都是現成的嘛對 已經完成有17個點對地理 對環境都影響非常小對生態也都能夠保護但是因為它的適合點位是有限的因為你要看渠道的一個位置不能影響它原來的功能當然 你不是說已經評估審查17個點這17個點你什麼時候做27個點已經正在評估中了 |
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那通過的幾個點已經完成有總共有17個點你所謂的完成是完成開始在執行的開始在執行有17個點然後5個點是正在推動中的那另外還有27個點位是正在評估中那我們會把會後資料把提供給委員 |
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本席在這邊提的就是說我們要再生能源不要侷限只有太陽能尤其太陽能的話因為它我們台灣如果颱風 供電大雨來的時候我們的電就沒辦法穩定供電所以再生能源我們可以來分散像這個小水利是非常不錯的也希望你們能夠積極的來推動在全國加速推動好不好好 謝謝謝謝呂議員 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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請龔部長。 |
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請經濟部龔部長。 |
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呂委員早安。 |
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部長，我們的能源配比大概有5成是天然氣，3成是煤炭，2成是再生能源。 |
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再生能源本來2025年要達到20%，結果到今年才13%而已，2030年要達到30%，眼看會繼續跳票。 |
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你說要檢討，也希望你檢討出個可以達到的目標比率，好不好？ |
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我們所有的能源大部分都是從國外進口過來，如果國外情勢有一些變動、有一些風吹草動，我們可能就會斷氣跟斷電。 |
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在這個情形之下，我們也大量在澳洲跟美國來購買一些替代能源，而且是有現貨的能源。 |
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但是現在看到我們所有的發電，到7月份的供電都是沒有問題的，因為馬上就要夏日供電了，這都沒有問題？是、是。 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-16T10:19:53.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
可是另外一方面，台電又在跟台塑公司說要用除役的麥寮電廠，也準備再跟它續約簽3個月，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-16T10:19:54.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-16T10:19:55.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
準備要簽約了？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-16T10:19:56.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-16T10:19:57.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
我想了解為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-16T10:19:57.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:00.261333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
就是增加了一些…… |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:00.261333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:03.397667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
要備援？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:03.397667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:06.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
對，增加韌性。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:06.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:13.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
對台電公司旗下的煤炭發電廠除役的部分，我們就可以用自己的發電廠，為什麼要用民營的？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:13.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:16.492333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
增加備援能力。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:16.492333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:19.466667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
台電有除役的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:19.466667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:22.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
可以再來發電啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
王總經理耀庭 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:22.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:28.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
報告委員，應該這樣說，台電電廠都是自己在掌握的，所以我們要怎麼樣做，我們都會事先準備好，沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
王總經理耀庭 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:29.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:39.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
因為麥寮是IPP，必須要有合約關係，所以合約關係要先建立起來，我們現在先建立關係，因為它必須把已經封存的這些…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:39.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:44.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
你打了合約之後，就像之前的麥寮發電沒有足夠的話，你會請它繼續發電。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:44.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:49.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
你現在跟它簽了合約，如果不需要的話，你還會叫它發電，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
王總經理耀庭 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:50.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:57.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
剛才部長已經講過了，即中火就會降低一部分，讓麥寮這邊來發電。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:57.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-16T10:20:59.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
我們希望是這樣子啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王總經理耀庭 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:59.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:00.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
對，所以大概整體的…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-16T10:20:59.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:06.102000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
因為不要集中在個別城市，你要調度一下、分散一下，不要集中在麥寮，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:06.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:12.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
本來台電旗下就有好幾家原來已經除役的，也可以來做備援，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:12.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:12.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
一定要分散。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:14.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:31.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
接下來想請問，在2029年本來麥寮電廠是要從煤炭改成天然氣，如果跟你們簽約之後，會不會影響到它天然氣的進程？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:36.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:38.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
它有兩個機組要改成天然氣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:39.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:44.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
你們簽約下去，它要替我們發電，2029年它能完成嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:44.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:44.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
沒問題、沒問題！ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:44.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:45.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
它不同的地方。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:46.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:46.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
不是在麥寮嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:46.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:49.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
一樣在麥寮的那兩個廠啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:49.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:53.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
一號廠跟三號廠嘛？對、對！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
吳代理署長志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:53.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:54.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
它興建的位置是…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:53.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:55.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
那現在兩座的天然氣會在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
吳代理署長志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:56.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-16T10:21:59.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
它在不同的土地，對，二號廠跟另外它有個空地去蓋。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-16T10:21:59.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-16T10:22:00.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
好，所以不要影響它天然氣的進度。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
吳代理署長志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-16T10:22:01.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-16T10:22:03.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
不會、不會，我們再持續追蹤。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-16T10:22:04.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-16T10:22:17.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
本席也要再請教的就是，你們剛剛所講的天然氣發電問題，一定要把它的量都儲存夠，不然的話，你們又要在麥寮再增加兩個廠。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-16T10:22:18.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-16T10:22:25.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
接下來想請問再生能源，聽說要發展小水力，是不是？有、有！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-16T10:22:26.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-16T10:22:32.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
你們也盤點出40個地方，你們開始在施作的有哪些地方？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
吳代理署長志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-16T10:22:35.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-16T10:22:43.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
水利署跟農水署現在盤點出來以後，後續會根據施工的狀況，陸續去做招標的動作，這個資料我們可以再給委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-16T10:22:43.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-16T10:22:43.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
這個進程呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-16T10:22:44.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-16T10:22:45.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
短、中、長期的進程？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
吳代理署長志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-16T10:22:45.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-16T10:22:49.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
可以，比較細部的報告再給委員，因為現在正在盤。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-16T10:22:49.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-16T10:22:56.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
對，不要因為它發電能量會比較小，你們就不去推廣、不去執行。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-16T10:22:57.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:09.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
因為現在桃園南崁溪已經開始在做小水力發電，就是利用水圳的圳路，跟著高低差的水路來發電。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:09.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:18.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
雖然發電的量體不大，但是你盤點有40個點，如果全國去推動，一定可以做得更好，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:18.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:27.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
報告委員，上個禮拜我剛好去勘查南崁溪，他們確實要規劃一個利用高低差去做小水力。對、對。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:28.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:35.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
目前我們已經完成的有17個點位，正在開發中的有5個點位…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:35.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:36.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你說全國是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:36.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:37.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
對，全國。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:37.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:46.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
另外還有27個點，就是剛才委員所談的正在評估中，未來要積極推動，包含南崁溪的部分，我們會積極來辦理。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:46.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:49.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
只要有適合的地點，我們都優先來推動。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:49.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:51.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
所以你的短、中、長期呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:51.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:55.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
你剛才說有17個點已經確定了，什麼時候可以正式使用？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:55.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:56.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
已經完成的有17個，也已經在使用了。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:56.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:57.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
因為這都是現成的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:58.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-16T10:23:59.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
對，已經完成有17個點。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-16T10:23:59.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:03.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
對地理、環境影響都非常小，對生態也都能夠保護。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:03.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:09.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
是、是，但適合的點位是有限的，因為你要看渠道的位置，不能影響原來的功能。當然！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:09.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:10.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
你不是說已經評估、審查17個點，這17個點什麼時候做？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:10.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:11.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
27個點已經正在評估中。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:16.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:18.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
通過幾個點？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:18.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:20.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
已經完成總共有17個點。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:20.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:23.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
你所謂的完成是開始在執行的？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:23.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:34.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
開始在執行有17個點，5個點是正在推動中，另外還有27個點位是正在評估中，我們會後把資料提供給委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:35.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:40.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
本席在這邊要提的就是，我們要做再生能源，但不要侷限只有太陽能。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:40.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:49.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
尤其是太陽能，臺灣如果有颱風、大雨來的時候，就沒辦法穩定供電，所以我們可以把再生能源分散。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:49.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:56.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
像小水力是非常不錯的，也希望你們能夠積極來推動，在全國加速推動，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
林署長元鵬 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:56.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:57.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
是，我們會來積極推動，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
呂委員玉玲 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:56.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-16T10:24:56.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-16T10:24:57.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-16T10:25:01.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
謝謝呂玉玲委員質詢，部長先回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-16T10:25:01.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-16T10:25:04.583857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
下一位請賴瑞隆委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |