| IVOD_ID |
168606 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168606 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-16T09:50:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-16T10:01:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5c6c6faabdac9c28e7ebbb61cbe9ebc924d82c1ebe87fe24e494fea1324b5f1aa70d2b13d237a2c95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:50:52 - 10:01:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長、國家發展委員會主任委員及農業部部長就「我國再生能源及電網韌性之發展現況、建置進度、容量目標、推動困境、法規障礙及相關改善對策」進行報告，並備質詢。
【4月15日及4月16日二天一次會】） |
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請楊瓊英委員謝謝主席 楊瓊英發言首先邀請部長跟台電台電王總經理 |
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現在有這樣的規劃為什麼呢 |
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因為為了增加因為戰爭的關係增加韌性因為戰爭的關係增加韌性但是政府告訴我們我們的供氣無疑於啊沒有問題啊而且很穩定而且很穩定報告委員如果我們五月份假如麥寮這個燃煤機組啟動的話我們會其他的燃煤機組降下來所以它這個量不會增加其他的機組會降 |
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那你其他的機組為什麼還要來啟動你已經停用的藍莓機組為什麼這個是預備嘛這個叫做預備接下來要請問政府告訴我們台電告訴我們說 |
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它运转恢复运转三个月但是强调全年的用煤量不会超过去年是不是王总经理也点头是不会超过去年你要不要承诺是承诺王总经理要不要承诺部长承诺王总经理要不要承诺 |
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要不要承諾 承諾好 部長承諾 部長也承諾 王總經理也承諾 那請問戰爭什麼時候會停止 你三個月後 戰爭如果沒有停止你要不要再承諾 確定不會再開展 已停用的南北基礎 |
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跟委員報告齁請告訴社會大眾對 台電會增加賣寮的燃煤機組目的是要增加韌性當天然氣船如果稍微不順一點那麼我們在天然氣船竟然不順那個那個那一新本集再請教 |
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再請教 針對你昨天自己說的嘛你給我承諾不會超過去年因為它停用 你當然不會超過喔接下來本席要請問因為戰爭的因素 所以你要備用你要備用 但是本席要請教喔你所謂的備用 這個大家就有質疑喔因為你告訴我們 你的用氣沒問題 |
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部長又告訴我們藍莓機組啟動三個月停用的再啟動恢復三個月你說會降其他的電降哪一種電降哪一種電降哪裡的藍莓電降台中來 王總經理請回答這就是本席要請問你的在中東戰爭沒有辦法你可以確定它三個月後會停嗎 |
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我們當然希望會停 如果萬一他不可控的因子 戰爭持續的時候本席就要請問 請問會不會再重開停用的藍莓機組 |
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原則上因為不知道戰爭會發展到什麼狀況如果以目前的狀況持續沒有惡化到很嚴重的狀況之下那當然我們增加這個脈療基礎事實上就是增加彈性目的就是說萬一天然氣船進來稍微針對本席的提問戰爭不可控 |
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如果萬一它持續你會不會繼續再重開啟停用的燃煤基礎 會不會請告訴我 請告訴我 王總經理你最內行的你告訴民眾要講真的內容啊 |
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這一題應該看全世界怎麼做全世界的各國包括德國你講到全世界你講我國好不好因為是你掌控的對 他們也在開燃煤機組所以我可以這麼解讀嗎當然戰爭可以停止你就這三個月但是戰爭不可控的因素的時候你還是會繼續開可以這麼解讀嗎 |
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應該是說有沒有惡化如果情境是不停的還是戰爭的樣態你會不會繼續開會不會總經理我只能說目前的情境看起來狀況沒有那麼嚴重所以會維持現在這樣狀況三個月就是賣掉三個月如果戰爭繼續呢你會不會繼續開 |
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會不會 你告訴我會不會就好啦因為戰爭的狀況是有嚴重 中等 不嚴重 幾種可能的情境那我們現在不知道 針對你台電的佈局我的台電的佈局 因為你一定有多方的佈局請教如果繼續 你現在就要給我開這個停開的三個月啦那如果戰爭繼續 請教台電公司會不會繼續 |
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我只能這樣說台電今天最重要的工作就是穩定供電我的任務一定要達成穩定供電為優先那要達成穩定供電的狀況之下全民跟全世界怎麼因應我們就照全世界的方式在因應全世界怎麼因應就是其他的人員就要調度該調度的就調度該調度就調度所以南美還是會繼續開 |
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我現在不能跟你說如果是這樣的樣態南美還是會繼續開如果嚴重惡化到非常急劇的狀況我不敢說會怎麼樣但是以目前的情境是沒有那麼惡劣的狀況我們是樂觀的 |
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部長在這裡喔也就是因為你告訴我們說不會超過去年你自己打自己的嘴巴因為戰爭若持續不可控的因素剛剛王總經理已經講很清楚也就是戰爭的情況如果持續有可能我們還是要調度電力繼續開所以接下來本席要請問你能不能承諾中火不會加開 |
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請教目前規劃是這樣 而且它還會降目前規劃是這樣子 而且它還會降 請總經理說明 |
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你的目前是多長以目前的情境 就是說戰爭的狀況的情境我們是中火絕對不會超過去年的量1100萬千萬 1000萬萬噸不會超過以目前的情境目前的情境 本集再請教戰爭我們是不可控我們希望peace 希望要和平但是不是我方可以任意去決定的所以我們還是要看全球的樣態但是我們一定要為以從某請教 |
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如果戰爭繼續的時候 中火會不會加開請教中火 所以剛剛前提是目前的情境這樣子的話請針對本行的提問目前的情境是不會加開目前是不會 戰爭持續會不會加開戰爭如果持續 而且它的情況目前這樣子的一個狀況不是惡化到非常非常的嚴重我們中火是不會加開 |
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博士大會上惡化的情況是不會加開你把我繞了一大圈啊你把我繞了一大圈啊台電最大的任務就是穩定供電這部長你這一句穩定供電這是全民必須要做這是政府的責任但是本席要具體要求中午付出了那麼多人民的健康我們的空氣好不容易我們一直努力的在降這個藍莓大家一起合作好好把它做好 |
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所以你要承諾不要加開你可以承諾嗎他是目前情境是OK的繞了一大圈我們沒有得到真正你們所說的答案因為本期要具體的建議 |
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如果缺氣我們就燒煤如果缺電我們就重開這幾個字是一直老路在繞所以我具體建議我們必須要做一個整體的一個規劃特別已經付出的中火應當要考量要照顧我們中部地區人民的空氣跟健康這是基本的 |
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所以為了優先順序穩定供電的條件之下當然以天然氣還有其他的再生能源作為主軸就是因為您告訴我們天然氣供應無虞天然氣既然供應無虞為什麼要繞這樣的圈子為什麼要重啟1號跟3號的賣了停用的三個月因為以現在的狀態下的話應該是OK的啦 |
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但是您剛剛又提到說未來戰爭怎麼變化那個我們可能要看那個後續的這個變化就您說的未來戰爭怎麼樣這是政府的職責要去應對每天所變化的樣態這是非常的重要所以本期還是具體建議中國已經付出了那麼多中部地區的空氣人民的健康應該還我們一個公道謝謝 |
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好 謝謝楊瓊議員 請部長先回座 |