| IVOD_ID |
168604 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168604 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-16T09:32:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-16T09:40:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5c6c6faabdac9c28ef4b94772cb4be1224d82c1ebe87fe24e9e0844c744c9d515656869f75d93f9c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:32:51 - 09:40:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長、國家發展委員會主任委員及農業部部長就「我國再生能源及電網韌性之發展現況、建置進度、容量目標、推動困境、法規障礙及相關改善對策」進行報告，並備質詢。
【4月15日及4月16日二天一次會】） |
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好 下一位資源請 鍾嘉斌委員 |
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主席 再讓我沿線接近第二節總統 首長 官員 會長 工作夥伴 媒體 記者 女士先生有請國民新部長以及民運署的吳署長和臺灣中油 臺灣電力的兩位方董跟王總中油公司方董 然後臺電公司王總經理 |
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總統您早部長好 署長好 同仲好企業自發電補強電網LAST MILE燃料電池新解方人帶法規配套來 先請教一下廣布長請問台灣會發生停電或限電主要原因是供電量不足還是電網不均衡 |
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主要是電網的問題沒有錯我們現在看集中式的大電網的脆弱性在2021年發生了台積電南科那時候的次長曾文森現在是台電董事長他說這不是缺電不是這是什麼這是什麼問題是所謂的惡龍一中部長知道什麼惡龍一中嗎 |
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北部的龍潭南部的龍崎還有中部的中寮這三個地方如果一發生斷點就是單點故障那麼大電網就差不多要崩潰是不是這樣部長是所以電網的韌性其實遠比發電裝置的擴充來的重要往下看 |
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所以目前我們剛剛看到的能源轉型2.0電網那些很重要包括我們要積極的強化我們的自主發電包括光電風電跟開發未來的低熱供電節能 用電管理要盡量節能但中間有一個氫能跟儲能請問部長認為氫能跟儲能跟電網的內線有關係嗎 |
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有嘛,分散式因為我們台一定要降低電網集中的風險,所以要提高設備的穩定性所以呢,氫能跟儲能是個選項,來我們來看一下半導體業的核心產生痛點,您聽過所謂的被動防疫四分鐘的幻覺嗎? |
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我簡單講一下 目前的電廠 包括TSMC等 他們很怕怎樣第一怕電力中斷 第二怕電壓不穩所以他有一個什麼動態UPS的極限他可以撐四分鐘 一旦發生電壓不穩 他馬上就接手 |
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但是當外部電網供電的品質量有問題的時候它只能撐四分鐘所以它自己有一個什麼備援的電力譬如說柴油發電馬上就啟動了可是柴油發電有它的極限啊24小時48小時如果沒有辦法在這個時間內恢復外電的供應那麼晶圓廠它的停機會損失數十億部長很了解嘛 |
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好 那往下看所以如果供電趕不上擴廠那麼政府是不是應該鼓勵耗電產業自備發電目前台灣的工業用電占我們台灣的55%台積電要規劃這些先進的製程有哪些鼓勵措施鼓勵這些耗電產業自發電呢 |
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8號委員剛剛您講的那個表後的那個儲能電那有一些補助包括您剛才提到的那個Fuel Cell的那個部分燃料電池的部分我們現在有一些方案正在補助所以沒有錯您提到了低碳電力燃料電池SOFC它可能是個備援的解方 |
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譬如說它當企業質疑有這樣的燃料電池的時候電網正常的時候它會持續穩定輸出低碳的基載電力萬一外電的電網中斷了它馬上就可以接手成為主要電力對不對 這樣的概念嘛 往下看所以FOFC它的主要的跟儲能 傳統的儲能ESS基本上傳統的儲能它還要有符合建築法請您雜項執照但是燃料電池大概都符合了 |
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用地限制它可以在室內可以在戶外但是燃料電池 ESS 就是儲能它會有什麼 它能量密度高 有消防上的風險另外供應上 傳統的儲能它要頻繁的充電而這個燃料電池可以無限應供應大概是有這個好處 部長都很清楚嗎是是是好 所以這種情況讓我們往下看 |
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所以美國的企業要承諾自備電力那麼燃料電池台灣中國是不是已經投入了方董你們是不是有跟雲暴能採用美國燃料電池廠Bloom Energy來進行這樣的廠有沒有 |
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是的有那你們目的是什麼目的就是做一個我們示範驗證SOFC在我們的場域它使用的一個情況是部長是不是台灣中央這樣做就是一個BYOPBring your own power帶上自己的電很像川普的口吻嘛企業你要用電要帶上自己的電部長我們在國內會推廣這個嗎 |
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會 事實上國內有些廠商已經開始用比如說新興電子它現在就有用那你也看到這個Blue Energy現在事實上是非常 |
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夯啊,你跟他訂啊,排隊可能要排兩年啊,還排不上啊中油算運氣不好,運氣很好了對不對,我們年底就快完成了嘛布魯內基他有跟我們洽商啦,就是說有一些技術他也願意移轉給我們很好,因為台灣是製造的大國,對不對所以如果未來我們可以跟布魯內基合作,他有技術,我們有很好的生產的能力我們結合甚至可以成為對外輸出,有沒有這個可能性 |
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對 我們正在有跟他洽商有在洽商了齁但是 縱使台灣有這樣的製造能力可以讓燃料電池變成企業自發電的解方但是仍然有一些限制往下看譬如說台達電早已布局這個這個蔡總啊 台達電他說什麼他們這個事業部他說買得到晶片 不見得買得到電所以台達電也跟英國的其他廠合作年底呢就要正式的樣產 是不是這樣子這市場規模相當龐大嘛 |
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所以看好對不對經濟部是不是要看好是有有好但是看好不能坐著等我最後的三點訴求請看經濟部是不是要自訂獎勵措施鼓勵大型企業自備電力減少對公共電網的依賴有沒有已經訂了已經訂了一個月內把詳細的報告給本席一份好嗎不是他在施作過程當中我們有補助然後在這個 |
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就是這個電費上的差異也有稍微補助所以你們有完整的這些獎勵措施就成為剛剛前面的委員提到的要讓資訊充分的通暢至少在前期呢讓他就是用台電的電跟他用這樣的發電他一開喉啦他同時用外部電網台電的電跟他自己燃料電因為燃料電很貴啊 |
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你以為人家VES是隨便賣你的,它很貴,所以一定要平衡使用很好,那這個一個月內是不是你們可以整理出一個你們既有的獎勵措施的配套給本席?可以可以第二個,請經濟部模仿美國的用電戶的保護承諾,還有法規的規範來讓我們的產業園區要預留自發自用的電力用地,有沒有? |
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因為前不久我們召委主席才排過我們相關的這些工業園區就是產業園區它目前的用地的配置有沒有這樣的規劃我們現在還是用獎勵的方式我希望你們未來在這樣的一個未來產業園區預留企業自發自用的電力用地好嗎 |
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不能全部都只用台電的電 不能只是預留變電所而已好 先獎勵啦 到這個時候才比較嚴格的最後一個 請能源署評估電業法因為目前電 企業啊 它有兩個做法它要是自發自用 OK要不呢 它發了電可以賣給台電 對不對 |
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465.721 |
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但是他一旦跟台電簽了約他賣給台電的電他要回來自己用中間有一個很複雜的程序他沒有辦法說現在我自發的電我賣給台電我現在電不夠了我要自己用這個切換是有受到法規的限制的署長是不是這樣子 |
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467.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
488.853 |
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委員說的應該是說他可能因為我們現在賣的電的話他賣出去給台電要有一個一定的限制在電源法下面這個部分我們也在檢討當中好 部長了解齁4日請一個月內將這樣的一個為了企業自發自用它受到電源法的限制的這些可能的障礙盤點出來可以嗎可以好 謝謝謝謝主席謝謝中央人民委員 |