| IVOD_ID |
168597 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168597 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-15T14:12:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-15T14:21:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ec77822e2e6eae347d36c77ac7df1df8ea785098ebfecd5e98911b917ba4046fd79bbc0b0a3b3945ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:12:47 - 14:21:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院經貿談判辦公室、經濟部、農業部、教育部就「美國貿易代表署發布《2026年各國貿易評估報告》（2026NTE）提及技術性貿易壁壘或食品安全檢驗與動植物防疫檢疫SPS）壁壘之豬肉、牛肉與牛肉產品、β促進劑的最大殘留容許量等各項食農相關產品及技術之要求，我國所承諾之措施、移除產品禁令或取消輸入口岸檢疫程序等，並特就其中開放切片馬鈴薯帶芽（或腐爛或發黴）仍能整批進口與其敦促撤銷基改食品進校園，對我國食品安全造成之衝擊與因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請衛生福利部、農業部、行政院消費者保護處就「寵物用藥新制上路在即，犬貓及非經濟動物急重症醫療銜接、藥品流向管理、飼主取得可近性與消費權益保障之整體配套」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
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謝謝主席 我們有請農業部我想這一次這個是搞得大家人仰馬翻你可能知道我們這個地方的黨部的電話接不完 |
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那接不完的反應的是什麼我想這個你在FB上面或者是在所有的這個網站那我們接的電話都是這種我的毛小孩醫用氧氣不足拿罪藥然後我半夜要去拿東西我想這你們應該都知道那受醫師就說毛不太懂然後就是這些東西問他說這怎麼辦什麼沒有登錄 |
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這就是問題嘛這已經發生了那我的問題就是說奇怪這個東西他如果按照我們我們之前這個這個剛剛這個農業部這個也也也說了其實這個問題起源很早了 |
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可能我看是在2012年事件發生以後對 因為它很多事件很多事件的交錯比如說你可能這個獸醫在用的時候用到尾藥然後發生一些風波對不對然後我這個藥商對不對他可能也怕觸法所以我也不敢供貨給這些的動物醫院所以在我們動保法那時候 |
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也就是在我們動保法第四條裡面第二項我先稍微念一下這個我想早上我也聽過這個我想講了很多治療動物疾病之藥物不足只有中央主管機關公告之人用藥物類別得為獸醫師括號佐填入診療紀錄使用於犬貓及非經濟動物那你的第三項基本上就是你會在根據前項這些人用藥物制定 |
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這樣子的一個管理的一個辦法所以我這邊的用字不好不要寫修正 自訂對不對管理辦法我們是不用審的就送來備查因為就是你衛福部跟農業部的事情好 113年就公告了對不對113年就公告 |
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再來是7月要實施嘛公告寫了這一堆我想這個當然藥商有藥商的困擾啦因為他整個包裝啦食材成分啦對不對然後副作用等等用量這些都要做那我們也都清楚反正獸醫師現在目前醫藥也沒有分離嘛所以你們在這個第四條這個就是使用管理辦法裡頭能用藥品都有保護藥品這些等等 |
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這也都寫了很好啊都寫了可是就在要實施的時候哇一堆的火就跑出來了就很奇怪啊就兩年了你要公告之前我就在想這就是奇怪了行政的怠惰就在這邊啊你也知道要藥商要去登錄嘛 |
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可是他登錄就是很麻煩還是說他登錄的意願不高不管是誘因不足嗎我們也知道動物用藥在人用藥來法量就很少嘛我不需要我開這支然後去做這支藥品啊可是這個跟我們這些毛氏族跟都是寵物的對不對我們毛小孩這些的氏族跟這些獸醫師來講他就造成很大的suffer |
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好所以呢這個地方哎兩三百萬嘛對不對選舉也快到了呢啊現在掉這個康出來我就覺得怪了 |
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然後我們還被青鳥車一甩鍋說這個是我們前林運軍委員用的完全就不是嘛當時要司理會是這個黃金順現在的總統府的國策顧問然後這個辦法也不是說我剛剛講過管理辦法所以你們送來立法院備查我們也不用審而且他是2月20幾號送過來的才剛當2月1號不久不可能去制定法案 |
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所以我是覺得這些東西就是造成了大家的很多的痛苦那我的意思是說為什麼會這樣子就是民意的反撲之後然後你們也慌張的開了4月12開個會最後喊卡那當初制定這個管理辦法為什麼會這樣那個好報告委員是如果委員今天如果想去看這個原來的公告辦法 |
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那這個原來的辦法會今天自然難行是第一個他一定要人用藥轉為動物用藥所以他一定要登記那剛剛您也有談到我在登錄的過程之中我今天是人用的藥商我要轉個身份到動物的藥商除了你來登錄我還是要再強調其實我們登錄一定簡便話 |
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一週你來申請登錄所以是誘因不足我再簡單更簡單一點因為時間不多所以說他考慮的很多當然有誘因也是一個問題成本也是一個問題那第二個就是貼標籤要標籤化你要貼標籤好那我比方說我們今天有一個十盒一個外包裝那麼依照我們現有的方法你講的都困難嘛但是這個離毛小孩離寵物離動物的東西為什麼這個辦法 |
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這個辦法在哪一期我現在時間快一點因為早上我請這個這個衛福部可能署長就好了啦部長坐就好了 你們吃飯吃完了來就是你們兩個署安定這樣亂七八糟現在根據早上衛福部部長的說法也就是說根據動保法第四條第二當你們現在暫緩實施甚至剛剛你講過的對不對我們就是把它公告這個作為辦法先註銷 |
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那這樣子的話我根據動保法第四條第二項現在本來就可以用嘛是吧好知道我們的這個台大收益系的名教授對不對葉立生 |
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農業部應該知道嘛去看一下人家FB現在這些獸醫師反映的是這些很多藥我拿不到比如說像這個寄生的沖洗液中孔大孔的非常好沖洗現在只有小孔可以用然後你跟他藥商訂貨說現在沒辦法我沒有登記所以我就不用 |
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他寫的這不是我寫的你們去查沒有不用說明了我就是說你們常常跟我們講說沒問題都不會有早上部長也這樣都不會有也有但是現在收益室的反應就是沒有嘛 |
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那藥廠給你的回答就是說對不起我現在就不出貨很多喔你去看這個葉老師的這一個FB他是請各個收益師東西列出這一段所以你們要去體察這些的民情好不好那我是覺得針對這些東西既然我還是覺得有一個矛盾啦如果你根據第四條第二項現在就可以用的時候然後你這個辦法也註銷了對不對你也說現在都可以了那我就請各位真的 |
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不要再制定了還是你要制定出來又會產生新的災害我不知道因為如果根據我們石部長講的動保法第四條第二項我只要經過主管機關公告就可以了是不是這樣 目前 |
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後面的是我們在第三項裡面特別提到那使用管理的辦法所以現在是要在辦法的部分讓他的管理能夠更清楚因為除了使用現在辦法還沒出來我們部長就說了啦對不對你們先註銷然後收益師都可以要保障用到藥起碼在這個短期的期間你們要去看看這個葉教授的對不對哪些是有缺的這個是你們兩個鼠要去通力合作 |
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沒問題 我們這部分也有跟我們的藥可以啦 就緊急用藥的啦然後讓獸醫師診所這些東西可以照顧我們這些毛小孩的氏族可以啦 是的OK 好 謝謝謝謝 謝委員謝謝洪義祥來的質詢 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:12:53.852000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，我們有請農業部。 |
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主席 |
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請農業部杜麗華署長。 |
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杜署長麗華 |
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2026-04-15T14:12:56.173000+08:00 |
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1 |
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洪委員好。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:12:55.753000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:13:21.209000+08:00 |
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杜署長，這一次這件事搞得大家人仰馬翻，我們地方黨部的電話都接不完，電話接不完反映的是什麼？ |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:13:21.209000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:13:49.378000+08:00 |
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我想你在FB上面或是在所有的網站就可以看到，我們接的電話都是說，他們的毛小孩在醫院氧氣不足、打麻醉藥，還有就是半夜要去拿東西，我想這個你們大概都知道，但獸醫師也說他們沒辦法，問他們這怎麼辦，就回答說沒有登錄，這就是問題，都已經發生了。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:13:49.779000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:14:07.978000+08:00 |
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我的問題就是，剛剛農業部也說了，其實這個問題起源很早，我看是在2012年…… |
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杜署長麗華 |
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2026-04-15T14:14:10.119000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:14:12.080000+08:00 |
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102年事件發生以後。對。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:14:12.080000+08:00 |
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因為有很多事件的交錯，比如說，獸醫在用藥時用到偽藥，發生一些風波，然後藥商可能也怕觸法，所以不敢供貨給動物醫院。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:14:33.407000+08:00 |
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早上我有聽過部長講了很多，我先稍微唸一下動保法第四條第二項，「治療動物疾病之藥物不足時，經中央主管機關公告之人用藥物類別，得由獸醫師（佐）填入診療紀錄使用於犬、貓及非經濟動物」。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:14:57.007000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:08.480000+08:00 |
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第三項基本上就是根據前項這些人用藥物，制定管理辦法，所以我這邊的用字不好，不要寫「修正」，要寫「制定」，對不對？ |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:08.480000+08:00 |
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管理辦法我們是不用審的，就送來備查，因為就是衛福部跟農業部的事情。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:17.050000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:20.333000+08:00 |
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113年就公告了，對不對？ |
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1 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:20.333000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:23.554000+08:00 |
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113年就公告，再來是7月1日實施。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:24.255000+08:00 |
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公告寫了這一堆，我想當然藥商有藥商的困擾，因為包裝、食材成分、副作用、用量等等都要做，我們也都清楚目前醫藥沒有分離，所以你們在第四條的使用管理辦法裡頭，人用藥品、動物保護藥品等等都有寫了，很好啊！ |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:51.055000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:51.476000+08:00 |
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都寫了。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:52.116000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:53.458000+08:00 |
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可是就在要實施的時候，哇！ |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:53.538000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:53.778000+08:00 |
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一堆的火就跑出來了。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:53.798000+08:00 |
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就很奇怪啊！ |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:15:53.998000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:16:25.709000+08:00 |
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兩年了，要公告之前，我就想奇怪了，行政的怠惰就在這邊，因為你也知道藥商要登錄，可是要登錄就是很麻煩，還是說登錄的意願不高，不管是不是誘因不足，我們也知道動物用藥跟人用藥來比，量就很少，何必花這些錢去做這些事？ |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:16:26.769000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:16:48.001000+08:00 |
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可是這個對毛小孩的飼主和獸醫師就會造成很大的suffer，數量高達兩、三百萬，選舉也快到了，現在爆出這件事，我就覺得怪了！ |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:16:48.940000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:16:54.881000+08:00 |
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然後我們還被青鳥側翼甩鍋，說這個是前委員林憶君委員用的，完全就不是嘛！ |
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| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:16:55.842000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:17:13.466000+08:00 |
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當時藥師公會理事長是黃金舜，現在是總統府國策顧問，我剛剛講過這個辦法是管理辦法，你們送立法院備查，我們也不用審，而且是二月二十幾號送過來的，2月1日剛過不久，不可能去制定這個法。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:17:14.560000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:17:22.066000+08:00 |
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所以我覺得這些東西造成大家很多痛苦，我的意思是為什麼會這樣子啊？ |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:17:22.887000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:17:34.816000+08:00 |
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就是民意反撲之後，你們也慌張地在4月10日開了會，最後喊卡，那當初制定這個管理辦法，為什麼會這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
杜署長麗華 |
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2026-04-15T14:17:36.437000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:18:06.594000+08:00 |
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報告委員，如果委員今天詳細去看原來的公告辦法就知道，原來的辦法今天會窒礙難行有幾個原因，第一個，要把人用藥轉為動物用藥一定要登記，剛剛您也有談到，在登錄的過程之中，如果我今天是人用藥的藥商，我要轉個身分當動物用藥的藥商，我還是要再強調，其實登錄已經簡便化，申請登錄，一週…… |
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0.789 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:18:06.594000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:18:07.414000+08:00 |
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所以是誘因不足？ |
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1 |
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杜署長麗華 |
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2026-04-15T14:18:08.895000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:18:10.495000+08:00 |
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我再更簡單說明。 |
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洪委員毓祥 |
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2026-04-15T14:18:10.656000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:18:10.976000+08:00 |
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因為時間不夠，快一點。好。 |
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杜署長麗華 |
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2026-04-15T14:18:13.937000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T14:18:18.939000+08:00 |
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他考慮的很多，當然誘因也是一個問題，成本也是一個問題。 |
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杜署長麗華 |
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2026-04-15T14:18:28.824000+08:00 |
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第二個就是貼標籤，要標籤化，比方說，今天有一個10盒的外包裝，依照現有的辦法…… |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-15T14:18:28.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-15T14:18:33.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
你講的都是困難嘛，但是這個離毛小孩、寵物的東西…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
杜署長麗華 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-15T14:18:33.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-15T14:18:33.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
所以我要說為什麼這個辦法窒礙難行…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.438 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-15T14:18:37.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-15T14:18:37.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
快一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-15T14:18:38.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-15T14:18:43.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我請衛福部，可能署長講就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-15T14:18:44.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-15T14:19:11.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
你們兩個署搞得亂七八糟，根據早上衛福部部長的說法，根據動保法第四條第二項，當你們現在暫緩實施，甚至剛剛你講的現在把公告先註銷，這樣子的話，根據動保法第四條第二項，現在本來就可以用嘛，是吧？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-15T14:19:12.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-15T14:19:16.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
知道臺大獸醫系名教授葉力森嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-15T14:19:21.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-15T14:19:38.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
農業部應該知道，去看一下人家的FB，現在這些獸醫師反映的是這些藥很多他們拿不到，比如說，濟生的沖洗液，有中孔的，有大孔的，非常好沖洗，現在只有小孔的可以用，若要跟藥商訂貨，藥商會說：「現在沒辦法，我沒有登記，所以我就不用。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-15T14:19:41.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-15T14:19:43.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
」這是他寫的，這不是我寫的，你們去查。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-15T14:19:43.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-15T14:19:44.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
跟委員說明…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-15T14:19:44.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-15T14:19:52.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
不用說明了，我的意思是你們常常跟我們說沒有問題，都買得到，早上部長也這樣講，說都買得到，也有得用，但是現在獸醫師的反映就是沒有嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.69 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-15T14:19:58.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-15T14:20:01.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
藥廠給你的回答就是對不起，現在就是不出貨，很多喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-15T14:20:02.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-15T14:20:12.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
你去看葉老師的FB，他請各獸醫師都列出情況，所以你們要體察這些民情，好不好？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-15T14:20:13.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-15T14:20:16.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
針對這些東西，我還是覺得有個矛盾。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-15T14:20:16.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-15T14:20:27.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
如果現在根據第四條第二項就可以用，現在公告法也註銷了，你也說現在都可以了，那我就請各位真的不要再制定了。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-15T14:20:28.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-15T14:20:29.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
還是你想制定之後又產生的新的災害？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-15T14:20:30.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-15T14:20:30.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我不知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-15T14:20:31.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-15T14:20:38.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
如果根據石部長講的，根據動保法第四條第二項，只要經過主管機關公告就可以啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-15T14:20:38.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-15T14:20:38.664000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
目前是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-15T14:20:43.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-15T14:20:53.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我們在第三項特別提到使用管理辦法，所以要透過辦法讓管理能夠更清楚，因為除了使用端取得…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-15T14:20:54.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-15T14:20:56.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
現在辦法還沒出來，部長就說了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-15T14:20:57.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-15T14:21:08.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
你們先註銷，但對於獸醫師都保障有藥用，起碼在短期間……你們要看看葉教授的網頁，了解哪些有缺，這是你們兩個署要通力合作的，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-15T14:21:09.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-15T14:21:11.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
沒有問題，我們就這部分也有跟藥商…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-15T14:21:11.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-15T14:21:11.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
可以喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-15T14:21:12.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-15T14:21:18.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
就是針對緊急用藥，要讓獸醫師、診所都可以照顧這些毛小孩的飼主，可以嘛！是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
洪委員毓祥 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-15T14:21:18.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-15T14:21:20.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
OK，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-15T14:21:20.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-15T14:21:21.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-15T14:21:21.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-15T14:21:22.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
請謝洪毓祥委員的質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-15T14:21:22.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-15T14:21:25.636143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
現在請張雅琳委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |