iVOD / 168593

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IVOD_ID 168593
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168593
日期 2026-04-15
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-26-6
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 6
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 社會福利及衛生環境委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-04-15T13:27:51+08:00
結束時間 2026-04-15T13:41:35+08:00
影片長度 00:13:44
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 楊瓊瓔
委員發言時間 13:27:51 - 13:41:35
會議時間 2026-04-15T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議(事由:邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院經貿談判辦公室、經濟部、農業部、教育部就「美國貿易代表署發布《2026年各國貿易評估報告》(2026NTE)提及技術性貿易壁壘或食品安全檢驗與動植物防疫檢疫SPS)壁壘之豬肉、牛肉與牛肉產品、β促進劑的最大殘留容許量等各項食農相關產品及技術之要求,我國所承諾之措施、移除產品禁令或取消輸入口岸檢疫程序等,並特就其中開放切片馬鈴薯帶芽(或腐爛或發黴)仍能整批進口與其敦促撤銷基改食品進校園,對我國食品安全造成之衝擊與因應作為」進行專題報告,並備質詢。 邀請衛生福利部、農業部、行政院消費者保護處就「寵物用藥新制上路在即,犬貓及非經濟動物急重症醫療銜接、藥品流向管理、飼主取得可近性與消費權益保障之整體配套」進行專題報告,並備質詢。 【專題報告綜合詢答】)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 感謝主席 陽學文發言 邀請部長原始部長兩位人好 部長好等一下 等那個電腦
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 這個就是我說的技術性的跪下嘛你原本是由政府來把關嘛你現在由工廠自行來把關嘛你不是技術性的跪下嗎對不對本期再一次強調當這樣子的一個情況當它變成薯片薯條的時候消費者誰會知道我吃下的這些切片式的到底有沒有發芽
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 對 所以 不論是進口 不論是本土我們都一樣的標準在把關一樣的標準所以 署長 部長
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 政府的風險管理應該由政府來把關而不是由廠商來自主去控管良心控管消費者要求的是我要知道的政府把關然後建立制度那麼這個加工業者呢也要自律所以我們都有標準在所以消費者你沒有問題民眾有問題啊我知道的你如果進口切片式的萬一他是有發芽的那消費者怎麼會知道請教
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 都是要剔除的 那我們後面還要解釋標準
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 我們就有要求廠商自己來剔除嘛糧食自己來剔除嘛對不對從農地出來的也有可能是有發芽的馬鈴薯所以一樣的標準在把關消費者希望要有安全的食品安全的食物這非常重要不要技術性的跪下這個是非常重要這個紅線絕對不能退最後一個議題寵物用藥
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 到目前為止大家抗議之後你完全沒有配套在這樣情況之下你跟農業部還好煞車緩了接下來怎麼做接下來怎麼做
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 因為本席要求特別針對集中性心臟病氣管擴張這些救命藥這些救命藥你是不是能夠比照人類醫院給予醫師有絕對的備藥權
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 才不會讓他們醫藥分類的這個情況之下呢變成毛小孩在診間斷氣的理由這是我們很難過耶因為我們現在的毛小孩已經統計超過340萬隻比14歲以下的孩子還要多耶我們統計出來那這怎麼辦這些急重症緊急狀況的怎麼辦
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 跟委員說明目前這個農業部已經有公告701個人用藥品可以用在這個動物身上所以這個701種我們都會確保讓獸醫師可以拿得到所以一定會做到這樣
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 那麼接下來是說流用流向的管理使用的管理的規定會再重新由這個農業部跟我們來會商這個政府有問題啊這麼嚴肅的議題沒有配套你竟然就如此的一個宣布然後再來停止停止民眾更緊張啊
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 在新的辦法沒有出來之前都可以供應大家都可以拿得到請教你這個有語病喔新的辦法還沒有出來都可以留用新的辦法出來什麼時候要出來可不可以所以新的辦法出來之前這個701種的人用藥已經公告的部分藥商可以什麼時候會出來
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 你現在講這有語病啊新的辦法還沒出來都可以留新的辦法到底內容是什麼又會一個沒有配套就宣布讓全國緊張的方案出來嗎報告委員那個剛剛部長也講得很清楚我們現在大概會註銷原來的公告
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 什麼時候要註銷這個大家很期待什麼時候要註銷這兩天會註銷行政程序順利的話應該是就會很快速來做公告今天禮拜三這個禮拜會註銷已經在這個禮拜會註銷讓大家放心我們盡量盡量好這個禮拜註銷那新的公告呢那我們先確保一個就是他現在的這個用藥的可以用是維持對是維持是維持那新的公告呢會不會又轉用髮夾彎了呢
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 就已經要正式完善這個制度就一定往更好的方向去承認上一次的不完善我們願意接受但是不要再製造人民的恐慌這個禮拜會註銷什麼時候會公告
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 對 就是註銷的移併公告註銷文是一定會移併公告的在註銷文裡面也會確保確保這個藥商跟藥局供應無虞給我們的獸醫院就是他可以留用嘛講最清楚的就是如此嘛所以會在這個禮拜會去註銷跟公告就註銷文的公告 是是註銷原文的公告啦那你的新公告什麼時候出來啊
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 不是 那辦法 辦法什麼時候會出來你辦法什麼時候會出來因為辦法會涉及到整個你大概什麼時候會出來你讓人民安心嘛你這個禮拜去註銷原公告嘛那你什麼時候辦法會出來啊假設我們還是有進行很多法治以後要跟所有相關利害關係人這個月底會公告出來吧可能因為
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 那個辦法 假設有共識當然行政座也很快所以這個部分要逐條逐條去建構當然是如此啊所以你們要公告就隨隨隨隨便公告 然後再來註銷然後現在要怎麼樣的辦法還不知道 難怪人民
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 目前是委員現在這樣講是說原來要實施的這個辦法那綁手綁腳的部分至少我們將它註銷掉那維持現有的制度然後我們再重新兩方對再制定新的我們一個結論謝謝第一個這個禮拜內會將原公告來取消來註銷這一個我們達成共識
transcript.whisperx[37].start 808.525
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 讓大家放心還是可以備用留用第二個新的辦法也要進速去告訴民眾讓民眾能夠安心謝謝
transcript.gazette[0].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[0].start 2026-04-15T13:27:58.591000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[0].end 2026-04-15T13:28:00.593000+08:00
transcript.gazette[0].text 感謝主席,楊瓊瓔發言。
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transcript.gazette[1].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[1].start 2026-04-15T13:28:00.874000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[1].text 邀請部長。
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transcript.gazette[2].speaker 主席
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transcript.gazette[2].text 請石部長。
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transcript.gazette[3].speaker 石部長崇良
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transcript.gazette[3].text 楊委員好。
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transcript.gazette[4].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
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transcript.gazette[4].text 部長好。
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transcript.gazette[5].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
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transcript.gazette[5].end 2026-04-15T13:28:24.316000+08:00
transcript.gazette[5].text 部長,你認不認識圖卡上面的這些人?
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transcript.gazette[6].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[6].start 2026-04-15T13:28:25.656000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[6].text 這是11年前為了保護我們的下一代,我們堅持修訂學校衛生法,禁止基改食材進入校園,這是藍綠一起努力完成的,在11年前,足見這是我們非常重視的食安紅線。
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transcript.gazette[7].text 現在美方在2026年的NTE報告中施壓,希望能放寬這部分。
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transcript.gazette[8].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
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transcript.gazette[8].guessed
transcript.gazette[8].end 2026-04-15T13:29:12.769000+08:00
transcript.gazette[8].text 本席要說的是,如果在美方的要求下任意輕言退讓,將會同時面臨朝野立委的政治反彈!
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transcript.gazette[9].text 本席在這邊請教有關基改食品的問題,當時民進黨告訴臺灣家長這句話:基改食品是給豬吃的飼料級黃豆。
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transcript.gazette[10].guessed
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transcript.gazette[10].text 因為孩子在學校沒有選擇權,所以政府必須代位把關。
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transcript.gazette[11].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
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transcript.gazette[11].text 部長,11年過去了,美國在2026年的NTE報告裡指責我們有貿易壁壘,所以當時的飼料級黃豆突然要變成食品了嗎?
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transcript.gazette[12].guessed
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transcript.gazette[12].text 請做說明。
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transcript.gazette[13].speaker 石部長崇良
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transcript.gazette[13].text 跟委員說明,在我們初步的ART裡面,對於基改食品的措施沒有改變,所以仍然維持基改食品不進校園。
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transcript.gazette[14].guessed
transcript.gazette[14].end 2026-04-15T13:30:10.776000+08:00
transcript.gazette[14].text 一定要確定把這個關,因為美國質疑我們的是什麼呢?
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transcript.gazette[15].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
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transcript.gazette[15].text 他說:缺乏科學證據。
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transcript.gazette[16].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
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transcript.gazette[16].text 但是我要再一次強調,我們當時通過這個法案最重要的是基於學童無權選擇,他沒有選擇權,所以政府必須代位來管理這個責任,這是當時我們通過學校衛生法這一條的最重要原因,法律已經明定了,是依法明定的禁止事項。
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transcript.gazette[17].text 我們通過的法律是主權國家的法律根源,並不是行政部門可以隨便妥協的行政命令,因此2014年到2025年政府跟我們的家長團體大家達成的這個共識就是社會契約,長期國民認為這個還是有風險的疑慮之下,絕對不能貿然的退讓,不能貿然退讓。
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transcript.gazette[18].text 我要特別強調,美方的經貿報告是美方的立場,但是我們臺灣學生的餐盒是我們主權國家的紅線,我還是要再一次的強調,部長,這個部分政府一定要把關好,不能有任何的退讓,對不對?
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transcript.gazette[19].text 跟委員說明,目前在ART簽訂的內容裡面,校園一樣是沒有基改食品……
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transcript.gazette[20].text 絕對不能有基改。
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transcript.gazette[21].speaker 石部長崇良
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transcript.gazette[21].text 使用的還是以國產豬、國產的為主。
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transcript.gazette[22].text 好,你講到豬,我們就繼續來講萊劑的內臟、全豬的開放,他們也有這個要求,你的立場?
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transcript.gazette[23].text 我們就是按照科學證據及國際的標準,然後再經過我們的健康風險評估來訂定。
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transcript.gazette[24].text 哇,那這個有疑慮喔!
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transcript.gazette[25].text 因為他是要求全部開放,但是我們對於……
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transcript.gazette[26].text 有關牛的部分跟豬的部分是這樣的,牛的部分過去在BSE,也就是狂牛症的風險等級變動了,本來美國是被歸類在風險可控制國家,現在是風險可忽略國家,這兩個在國際標準上的管控來說,風險可忽略國家是全部都可以進口,是沒有風險疑慮的,所以可控制跟可忽略是不一樣的。
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transcript.gazette[27].text 不要咬文嚼字了,本席要強調的是,他們要求全豬開放,你們的立場到底是什麼?
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transcript.gazette[28].text 也就是內臟的部分,如果照……
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transcript.gazette[29].guessed
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transcript.gazette[29].text 豬的內臟已經開放了。
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transcript.gazette[30].text 所以依照你的說法,如果符合這個標準就是OK的,都OK的喔!
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transcript.gazette[31].guessed
transcript.gazette[31].end 2026-04-15T13:33:13.964000+08:00
transcript.gazette[31].text 對,就是按照我們的安全容許量。
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transcript.gazette[32].guessed
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transcript.gazette[32].text 所以部長,本席認為我們應該要嚴格的來把關,因為我們一直強調要怎麼樣讓我們的食安安全,我們不能自動的來過濾萊克多巴胺!
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transcript.gazette[33].text 我們一定是按照國際標準跟維護國人的健康來把關,沒有問題。
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transcript.gazette[34].text 為國人的健康把關就一定要全面的管控好。是。
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transcript.gazette[35].text 現在本席手上拿的是發芽的馬鈴薯,依照國人的食用習慣來說,有發芽的馬鈴薯因為含有龍葵鹼,是有毒的,所以一定會丟掉。對。
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transcript.gazette[36].text 本席要請教,衛福部為了回應美方對技術性貿易壁壘的關切,居然要研議開放帶芽切片的馬鈴薯進口加工,改由工廠自主篩選,有沒有這回事?
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transcript.gazette[37].text 不應該是這麼簡單的……
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transcript.gazette[38].start 2026-04-15T13:34:09.481000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[38].text 有沒有這回事?
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transcript.gazette[39].start 2026-04-15T13:34:08.641000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[39].text 不是這樣簡單的說,過去在海關是整批裡面只要有一顆發芽就整批退,現在的做法是如果發現有發芽的話,整批封存,然後到一個指定的加工地點再去做剔除,而不是整批退回……
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transcript.gazette[40].start 2026-04-15T13:34:35.061000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[40].text 加工去剔除是誰把關?
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transcript.gazette[41].speaker 石部長崇良
transcript.gazette[41].start 2026-04-15T13:34:35.141000+08:00
transcript.gazette[41].guessed
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transcript.gazette[41].text 我們會來把關。
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transcript.gazette[42].start 2026-04-15T13:34:35.221000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[42].text 你把有發芽的放進來,讓工廠自主去把關,他已經切片做成薯條、薯片,誰會知道?
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transcript.gazette[43].start 2026-04-15T13:34:36.222000+08:00
transcript.gazette[43].guessed
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transcript.gazette[43].text 消費者誰知道自己吃到的到底是有沒有發芽的馬鈴薯?
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transcript.gazette[44].speaker 石部長崇良
transcript.gazette[44].start 2026-04-15T13:34:52.792000+08:00
transcript.gazette[44].guessed
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transcript.gazette[44].text 跟委員說明,即使是國內的馬鈴薯也有同樣的情況,也都需要做剔除,國內採收之後保存,然後送到工廠,一樣會出現有發芽的馬鈴薯,也是要剔除的,所以作業上都是一樣的。
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transcript.gazette[45].start 2026-04-15T13:35:08.657000+08:00
transcript.gazette[45].guessed
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transcript.gazette[45].text 誰把關?請教!
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transcript.gazette[46].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[46].start 2026-04-15T13:35:10.557000+08:00
transcript.gazette[46].guessed
transcript.gazette[46].end 2026-04-15T13:35:10.797000+08:00
transcript.gazette[46].text 這個就是我說的,技術性的跪下嘛!
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transcript.gazette[47].speaker 石部長崇良
transcript.gazette[47].start 2026-04-15T13:35:10.797000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[47].text 食品廠有他們的責任。
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transcript.gazette[48].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[48].start 2026-04-15T13:35:10.837000+08:00
transcript.gazette[48].guessed
transcript.gazette[48].end 2026-04-15T13:35:12.199000+08:00
transcript.gazette[48].text 原本是由政府來把關,現在由工廠自行來把關,你不是技術性的跪下嗎?
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transcript.gazette[49].start 2026-04-15T13:35:12.199000+08:00
transcript.gazette[49].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[49].end 2026-04-15T13:35:13.199000+08:00
transcript.gazette[49].text 不會、不會,食品加工廠還是由食藥署……
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transcript.gazette[50].start 2026-04-15T13:35:12.219000+08:00
transcript.gazette[50].guessed
transcript.gazette[50].end 2026-04-15T13:35:14.240000+08:00
transcript.gazette[50].text 本席再一次強調,當它變成薯片、薯條的時候,消費者誰會知道我吃下的這些切片馬鈴薯到底有沒有發芽?
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transcript.gazette[51].start 2026-04-15T13:35:14.340000+08:00
transcript.gazette[51].guessed
transcript.gazette[51].end 2026-04-15T13:35:14.821000+08:00
transcript.gazette[51].text 消費者要怎麼樣知道有沒有發芽?
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transcript.gazette[52].speaker 石部長崇良
transcript.gazette[52].start 2026-04-15T13:35:37.380000+08:00
transcript.gazette[52].guessed
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transcript.gazette[52].text 對,所以不論是進口或本土,我們都用一樣的標準在把關,一樣的標準。
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transcript.gazette[53].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[53].start 2026-04-15T13:35:40.005000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[53].text 署長、部長,政府的風險管理應該由政府來把關,而不是由廠商自主的控管、良心的控管,消費者要求的是我要吃到的……
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transcript.gazette[54].start 2026-04-15T13:35:57.340000+08:00
transcript.gazette[54].guessed
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transcript.gazette[54].text 政府把關,然後建立制度,加工業者也要自律,所以我們都有標準在,沒有問題。
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transcript.gazette[55].guessed
transcript.gazette[55].end 2026-04-15T13:36:08.482000+08:00
transcript.gazette[55].text 所以消費者……你沒有問題,民眾有問題啊!
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transcript.gazette[56].text 我吃到的如果是進口切片式的,萬一是有發芽的,消費者怎麼會知道?請教。
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transcript.gazette[57].end 2026-04-15T13:36:18.748000+08:00
transcript.gazette[57].text 都是要剔除的,我們後面還有檢驗標準……
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transcript.gazette[58].guessed 1
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transcript.gazette[58].text 誰剔除?
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transcript.gazette[59].start 2026-04-15T13:36:20.765000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[59].end 2026-04-15T13:36:21.425000+08:00
transcript.gazette[59].text 我們就有要求,國內也要這樣做……
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transcript.gazette[60].start 2026-04-15T13:36:21.986000+08:00
transcript.gazette[60].guessed
transcript.gazette[60].end 2026-04-15T13:36:25.648000+08:00
transcript.gazette[60].text 廠商自己來剔除嘛,以良心來剔除嘛,對不對?
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transcript.gazette[61].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[61].start 2026-04-15T13:36:25.648000+08:00
transcript.gazette[61].guessed 1
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transcript.gazette[61].text 是不是如此?
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transcript.gazette[62].speaker 石部長崇良
transcript.gazette[62].start 2026-04-15T13:36:25.648000+08:00
transcript.gazette[62].guessed
transcript.gazette[62].end 2026-04-15T13:36:32.851000+08:00
transcript.gazette[62].text 從農地出來的也可能是有發芽的馬鈴薯,所以是一樣的標準在把關。
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transcript.gazette[63].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
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transcript.gazette[63].text 部長,我們講到這裡,消費者希望要有安全的食品,安全的食物非常重要,不要技術性的跪下,這是非常重要,這個紅線絕對不能退。
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transcript.gazette[64].start 2026-04-15T13:36:43.797000+08:00
transcript.gazette[64].guessed 1
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transcript.gazette[64].text 是,沒有問題。
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transcript.gazette[65].start 2026-04-15T13:36:43.817000+08:00
transcript.gazette[65].guessed
transcript.gazette[65].end 2026-04-15T13:36:52.421000+08:00
transcript.gazette[65].text 最後一個議題是寵物用藥,到目前為止,大家抗議之後,你完全沒有配套,在這樣情況之下,你跟農業部還好煞車暫緩了,接下來要怎麼做?
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transcript.gazette[66].guessed
transcript.gazette[66].end 2026-04-15T13:37:09.894000+08:00
transcript.gazette[66].text 因為本席要求特別針對急重症、心臟病、氣管擴張等這些救命藥,是不是能夠比照人類醫院給予醫師有絕對的備藥權?
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transcript.gazette[67].guessed
transcript.gazette[67].end 2026-04-15T13:37:28.148000+08:00
transcript.gazette[67].text 才不會讓醫藥分業的情況變成毛小孩在診間斷氣的理由,這是讓我們很難過的,因為現在統計顯示毛小孩已經超過340萬隻,比14歲以下的孩子還要多,這怎麼辦?
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transcript.gazette[68].guessed
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transcript.gazette[68].text 這些急重症的緊急狀況怎麼辦?
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transcript.gazette[69].speaker 石部長崇良
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transcript.gazette[69].guessed
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transcript.gazette[69].text 跟委員說明,目前農業部已經有公告701項人用藥品可以用在動物身上,這701種藥品我們都會確保讓獸醫師可以拿得到,一定會做到這樣。
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transcript.gazette[70].guessed
transcript.gazette[70].end 2026-04-15T13:38:05.832000+08:00
transcript.gazette[70].text 接下來是流用,流向管理、使用管理的規定,會再重新由農業部跟我們來會商……
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transcript.gazette[71].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[71].end 2026-04-15T13:38:06.832000+08:00
transcript.gazette[71].text 多久會出來?
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transcript.gazette[72].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[72].start 2026-04-15T13:38:05.852000+08:00
transcript.gazette[72].guessed
transcript.gazette[72].end 2026-04-15T13:38:05.932000+08:00
transcript.gazette[72].text 這個政府有問題啊!
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transcript.gazette[73].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[73].start 2026-04-15T13:38:05.952000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[73].end 2026-04-15T13:38:06.652000+08:00
transcript.gazette[73].text 這麼嚴肅的問題沒有配套,竟然就如此宣布,然後再來停止……
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transcript.gazette[74].text 所以在……
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transcript.gazette[75].start 2026-04-15T13:38:06.672000+08:00
transcript.gazette[75].guessed
transcript.gazette[75].end 2026-04-15T13:38:07.133000+08:00
transcript.gazette[75].text 停止後民眾更緊張啊!
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transcript.gazette[76].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[76].start 2026-04-15T13:38:07.133000+08:00
transcript.gazette[76].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[76].end 2026-04-15T13:38:20.819000+08:00
transcript.gazette[76].text 什麼時候要公告?請教。
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transcript.gazette[77].speaker 石部長崇良
transcript.gazette[77].start 2026-04-15T13:38:20.819000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[77].end 2026-04-15T13:38:25.362000+08:00
transcript.gazette[77].text 在新的辦法沒有出來之前,都可以供應,大家都可以拿得到。
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transcript.gazette[78].guessed
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transcript.gazette[78].text 你這個有語病喔,新的辦法還沒有出來都可以流用,新的辦法出來後呢?
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transcript.gazette[79].guessed
transcript.gazette[79].end 2026-04-15T13:38:31.567000+08:00
transcript.gazette[79].text 什麼時候要出來?
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transcript.gazette[80].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[80].start 2026-04-15T13:38:31.567000+08:00
transcript.gazette[80].guessed
transcript.gazette[80].end 2026-04-15T13:38:31.927000+08:00
transcript.gazette[80].text 可不可以流用?
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transcript.gazette[81].speaker 石部長崇良
transcript.gazette[81].start 2026-04-15T13:38:32.588000+08:00
transcript.gazette[81].guessed
transcript.gazette[81].end 2026-04-15T13:38:33.789000+08:00
transcript.gazette[81].text 新的辦法出來之前,這701種的人用藥已經公告的部分,藥商可以……
transcript.gazette[81].quality 1
transcript.gazette[82].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
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transcript.gazette[82].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[82].end 2026-04-15T13:38:34.789000+08:00
transcript.gazette[82].text 部長,什麼時候會出來?
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transcript.gazette[83].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[83].start 2026-04-15T13:38:33.809000+08:00
transcript.gazette[83].guessed
transcript.gazette[83].end 2026-04-15T13:38:34.009000+08:00
transcript.gazette[83].text 農業部也在這裡,什麼時候會出來?
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transcript.gazette[84].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
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transcript.gazette[84].guessed
transcript.gazette[84].end 2026-04-15T13:38:47.117000+08:00
transcript.gazette[84].text 你現在講這個有語病啊,新的辦法還沒出來都可以流用,新的辦法到底內容是什麼?
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transcript.gazette[85].guessed
transcript.gazette[85].end 2026-04-15T13:38:50.539000+08:00
transcript.gazette[85].text 又會是一個沒有配套就宣布,讓全國緊張的方案嗎?
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transcript.gazette[86].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[86].start 2026-04-15T13:38:50.539000+08:00
transcript.gazette[86].guessed
transcript.gazette[86].end 2026-04-15T13:38:51.679000+08:00
transcript.gazette[86].text 報告委員,剛剛部長也講得很清楚,我們現在大概會註銷原來的公告,所以……
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transcript.gazette[87].start 2026-04-15T13:39:00.143000+08:00
transcript.gazette[87].guessed
transcript.gazette[87].end 2026-04-15T13:39:00.323000+08:00
transcript.gazette[87].text 什麼時候要註銷?
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transcript.gazette[88].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[88].start 2026-04-15T13:39:00.323000+08:00
transcript.gazette[88].guessed
transcript.gazette[88].end 2026-04-15T13:39:00.564000+08:00
transcript.gazette[88].text 這個大家很期待,什麼時候要註銷?
transcript.gazette[88].quality 1
transcript.gazette[89].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[89].start 2026-04-15T13:39:00.564000+08:00
transcript.gazette[89].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[89].end 2026-04-15T13:39:01.564000+08:00
transcript.gazette[89].text 應該這兩天,這兩天如果整個行政程序……
transcript.gazette[89].quality 0
transcript.gazette[90].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[90].start 2026-04-15T13:39:00.564000+08:00
transcript.gazette[90].guessed
transcript.gazette[90].end 2026-04-15T13:39:00.604000+08:00
transcript.gazette[90].text 這兩天會註銷?
transcript.gazette[90].quality 1
transcript.gazette[91].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[91].start 2026-04-15T13:39:00.604000+08:00
transcript.gazette[91].guessed
transcript.gazette[91].end 2026-04-15T13:39:01.924000+08:00
transcript.gazette[91].text 行政程序順利的話,應該很快會來做公告。
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transcript.gazette[92].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[92].start 2026-04-15T13:39:02.185000+08:00
transcript.gazette[92].guessed
transcript.gazette[92].end 2026-04-15T13:39:03.005000+08:00
transcript.gazette[92].text 今天禮拜三,這個禮拜會註銷?
transcript.gazette[92].quality 1
transcript.gazette[93].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[93].start 2026-04-15T13:39:03.005000+08:00
transcript.gazette[93].guessed
transcript.gazette[93].end 2026-04-15T13:39:03.025000+08:00
transcript.gazette[93].text 已經在……
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transcript.gazette[94].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[94].start 2026-04-15T13:39:03.065000+08:00
transcript.gazette[94].guessed
transcript.gazette[94].end 2026-04-15T13:39:03.185000+08:00
transcript.gazette[94].text 這個禮拜會註銷?
transcript.gazette[94].quality 1
transcript.gazette[95].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[95].start 2026-04-15T13:39:03.185000+08:00
transcript.gazette[95].guessed
transcript.gazette[95].end 2026-04-15T13:39:03.606000+08:00
transcript.gazette[95].text 讓大家放心。
transcript.gazette[95].quality 1
transcript.gazette[96].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[96].start 2026-04-15T13:39:03.686000+08:00
transcript.gazette[96].guessed
transcript.gazette[96].end 2026-04-15T13:39:03.706000+08:00
transcript.gazette[96].text 我們儘量加快這個程序。
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transcript.gazette[97].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[97].start 2026-04-15T13:39:03.906000+08:00
transcript.gazette[97].guessed
transcript.gazette[97].end 2026-04-15T13:39:04.806000+08:00
transcript.gazette[97].text 好,這個禮拜註銷,新的公告呢?
transcript.gazette[97].quality 1
transcript.gazette[98].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[98].start 2026-04-15T13:39:04.846000+08:00
transcript.gazette[98].guessed
transcript.gazette[98].end 2026-04-15T13:39:05.367000+08:00
transcript.gazette[98].text 我們先確保一個就是現在的用藥是維持……
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transcript.gazette[99].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[99].start 2026-04-15T13:39:05.567000+08:00
transcript.gazette[99].guessed
transcript.gazette[99].end 2026-04-15T13:39:05.867000+08:00
transcript.gazette[99].text 可以用?
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transcript.gazette[100].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[100].start 2026-04-15T13:39:06.347000+08:00
transcript.gazette[100].guessed
transcript.gazette[100].end 2026-04-15T13:39:06.487000+08:00
transcript.gazette[100].text 對,是維持現有的。維持?
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transcript.gazette[101].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[101].start 2026-04-15T13:39:06.528000+08:00
transcript.gazette[101].guessed
transcript.gazette[101].end 2026-04-15T13:39:06.968000+08:00
transcript.gazette[101].text 那新的公告呢?
transcript.gazette[101].quality 1
transcript.gazette[102].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[102].start 2026-04-15T13:39:06.988000+08:00
transcript.gazette[102].guessed
transcript.gazette[102].end 2026-04-15T13:39:07.168000+08:00
transcript.gazette[102].text 會不會又髮夾彎了呢?
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transcript.gazette[103].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[103].start 2026-04-15T13:39:31.425000+08:00
transcript.gazette[103].guessed
transcript.gazette[103].end 2026-04-15T13:39:34.850000+08:00
transcript.gazette[103].text 不會,已經要正式完善這個制度,就一定會往更好的方向去做,而且兩方……
transcript.gazette[103].quality 0.724
transcript.gazette[104].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[104].start 2026-04-15T13:39:35.110000+08:00
transcript.gazette[104].guessed
transcript.gazette[104].end 2026-04-15T13:39:42.381000+08:00
transcript.gazette[104].text 所以承認上一次的是不完善,我們願意接受,但是不要再製造人民的恐慌,這個禮拜會註銷,什麼時候會公告?
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transcript.gazette[105].start 2026-04-15T13:39:46.494000+08:00
transcript.gazette[105].guessed
transcript.gazette[105].end 2026-04-15T13:39:48.415000+08:00
transcript.gazette[105].text 就是註銷的……
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transcript.gazette[106].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[106].start 2026-04-15T13:39:48.935000+08:00
transcript.gazette[106].guessed
transcript.gazette[106].end 2026-04-15T13:39:49.095000+08:00
transcript.gazette[106].text 一併公告?
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transcript.gazette[107].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[107].start 2026-04-15T13:39:50.675000+08:00
transcript.gazette[107].guessed
transcript.gazette[107].end 2026-04-15T13:40:00.817000+08:00
transcript.gazette[107].text 註銷文是一定會一併公告的,在註銷文裡面也會確保藥商跟藥局供應無虞給獸醫院。
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transcript.gazette[108].guessed
transcript.gazette[108].end 2026-04-15T13:40:02.818000+08:00
transcript.gazette[108].text 就是它可以流用嘛?是。
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transcript.gazette[109].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[109].start 2026-04-15T13:40:03.398000+08:00
transcript.gazette[109].guessed
transcript.gazette[109].end 2026-04-15T13:40:04.698000+08:00
transcript.gazette[109].text 講最清楚的就是如此嘛。對。
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transcript.gazette[110].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[110].start 2026-04-15T13:40:04.878000+08:00
transcript.gazette[110].guessed
transcript.gazette[110].end 2026-04-15T13:40:08.239000+08:00
transcript.gazette[110].text 所以會在這個禮拜註銷跟公告。
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transcript.gazette[111].start 2026-04-15T13:40:09.640000+08:00
transcript.gazette[111].guessed
transcript.gazette[111].end 2026-04-15T13:40:10.140000+08:00
transcript.gazette[111].text 是註銷文的公告。
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transcript.gazette[112].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[112].start 2026-04-15T13:40:12.060000+08:00
transcript.gazette[112].guessed
transcript.gazette[112].end 2026-04-15T13:40:15.221000+08:00
transcript.gazette[112].text 是註銷原文的公告,那你的新公告什麼時候出來?
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transcript.gazette[113].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[113].start 2026-04-15T13:40:16.726000+08:00
transcript.gazette[113].guessed
transcript.gazette[113].end 2026-04-15T13:40:17.386000+08:00
transcript.gazette[113].text 是辦法。
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transcript.gazette[114].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[114].start 2026-04-15T13:40:18.007000+08:00
transcript.gazette[114].guessed
transcript.gazette[114].end 2026-04-15T13:40:18.988000+08:00
transcript.gazette[114].text 辦法什麼時候會出來?
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transcript.gazette[115].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[115].start 2026-04-15T13:40:18.988000+08:00
transcript.gazette[115].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[115].end 2026-04-15T13:40:19.988000+08:00
transcript.gazette[115].text 再研議一個新的辦法。
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transcript.gazette[116].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[116].start 2026-04-15T13:40:18.988000+08:00
transcript.gazette[116].guessed
transcript.gazette[116].end 2026-04-15T13:40:22.129000+08:00
transcript.gazette[116].text 你的辦法什麼時候會出來?
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transcript.gazette[117].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[117].start 2026-04-15T13:40:22.129000+08:00
transcript.gazette[117].guessed
transcript.gazette[117].end 2026-04-15T13:40:24.331000+08:00
transcript.gazette[117].text 因為辦法會涉及到整個……
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transcript.gazette[118].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[118].start 2026-04-15T13:40:24.451000+08:00
transcript.gazette[118].guessed
transcript.gazette[118].end 2026-04-15T13:40:25.512000+08:00
transcript.gazette[118].text 大概什麼時候會出來?
transcript.gazette[118].quality 1
transcript.gazette[119].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[119].start 2026-04-15T13:40:25.512000+08:00
transcript.gazette[119].guessed
transcript.gazette[119].end 2026-04-15T13:40:26.472000+08:00
transcript.gazette[119].text 你讓人民安心嘛。是。
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transcript.gazette[120].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[120].start 2026-04-15T13:40:27.533000+08:00
transcript.gazette[120].guessed
transcript.gazette[120].end 2026-04-15T13:40:30.215000+08:00
transcript.gazette[120].text 這個禮拜去註銷原公告嘛,那什麼時候辦法會出來?
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transcript.gazette[121].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[121].start 2026-04-15T13:40:31.155000+08:00
transcript.gazette[121].guessed
transcript.gazette[121].end 2026-04-15T13:40:36.339000+08:00
transcript.gazette[121].text 假設我們還是有進行很多法制以後,要跟所有相關利害關係人……
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transcript.gazette[122].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[122].start 2026-04-15T13:40:36.819000+08:00
transcript.gazette[122].guessed
transcript.gazette[122].end 2026-04-15T13:40:37.940000+08:00
transcript.gazette[122].text 這個月底辦法會公告出來吧?
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transcript.gazette[123].speaker 杜署長麗華
transcript.gazette[123].start 2026-04-15T13:40:43.223000+08:00
transcript.gazette[123].guessed
transcript.gazette[123].end 2026-04-15T13:40:49.086000+08:00
transcript.gazette[123].text 假設有共識,當然行政作業很快,所以這個部分要逐條、逐條去建構。
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transcript.gazette[124].start 2026-04-15T13:40:49.086000+08:00
transcript.gazette[124].guessed
transcript.gazette[124].end 2026-04-15T13:40:49.686000+08:00
transcript.gazette[124].text 當然是如此啊。是。
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transcript.gazette[125].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[125].start 2026-04-15T13:40:49.886000+08:00
transcript.gazette[125].guessed
transcript.gazette[125].end 2026-04-15T13:40:54.268000+08:00
transcript.gazette[125].text 所以你們要公告就隨隨便便公告,將來再註銷,然後現在要怎麼樣的辦法還不知道,難怪人民「霧煞煞」。
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transcript.gazette[126].start 2026-04-15T13:40:58.150000+08:00
transcript.gazette[126].guessed
transcript.gazette[126].end 2026-04-15T13:41:11.760000+08:00
transcript.gazette[126].text 不是,委員,現在這樣講是原來要實施的這個辦法綁手綁腳的部分,至少我們將它註銷掉,維持現有的制度,然後我們再重新兩方制定新的辦法,符合大家的期待。謝謝。
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transcript.gazette[127].guessed
transcript.gazette[127].end 2026-04-15T13:41:21.968000+08:00
transcript.gazette[127].text 結論是第一個,這個禮拜內會將原公告註銷,我們達成共識,讓大家放心,還是可以備用、流用。
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transcript.gazette[128].guessed 1
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transcript.gazette[128].text 這是第一個。
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transcript.gazette[129].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[129].start 2026-04-15T13:41:23.470000+08:00
transcript.gazette[129].guessed
transcript.gazette[129].end 2026-04-15T13:41:29.136000+08:00
transcript.gazette[129].text 第二個,新的辦法也要儘速去告訴民眾,讓民眾能夠安心,好不好?好。
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transcript.gazette[130].speaker 楊委員瓊瓔
transcript.gazette[130].start 2026-04-15T13:41:29.156000+08:00
transcript.gazette[130].guessed
transcript.gazette[130].end 2026-04-15T13:41:29.156000+08:00
transcript.gazette[130].text 好,謝謝。謝謝。好。
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transcript.gazette[131].speaker 主席
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transcript.gazette[131].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[131].end 2026-04-15T13:41:34.227429+08:00
transcript.gazette[131].text 謝謝楊瓊瓔委員的質詢,現在休息20分鐘。
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transcript.gazette[132].speaker 主席
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transcript.gazette[132].text 休息(13時41分)
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transcript.gazette[133].text 繼續開會(14時2分)
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transcript.gazette[134].text 現在繼續開會。
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transcript.gazette[135].text 我們請楊曜委員質詢。
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