| IVOD_ID |
168576 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168576 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-15T11:29:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-15T11:43:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ec77822e2e6eae37bbb8b84a229b2848ea785098ebfecd5f584cb79d4e231782bfe832c71c1a02f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖偉翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:36 - 11:43:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院經貿談判辦公室、經濟部、農業部、教育部就「美國貿易代表署發布《2026年各國貿易評估報告》（2026NTE）提及技術性貿易壁壘或食品安全檢驗與動植物防疫檢疫SPS）壁壘之豬肉、牛肉與牛肉產品、β促進劑的最大殘留容許量等各項食農相關產品及技術之要求，我國所承諾之措施、移除產品禁令或取消輸入口岸檢疫程序等，並特就其中開放切片馬鈴薯帶芽（或腐爛或發黴）仍能整批進口與其敦促撤銷基改食品進校園，對我國食品安全造成之衝擊與因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請衛生福利部、農業部、行政院消費者保護處就「寵物用藥新制上路在即，犬貓及非經濟動物急重症醫療銜接、藥品流向管理、飼主取得可近性與消費權益保障之整體配套」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
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謝謝盧縣議召委那我們先請我們衛福部時部長以及我們房檢署的杜署長有請時部長杜署長 |
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大家今天都很關心這個題目所以感謝主席安排我想還是先從杜署長開始如果部長要補充的再補充所以今天有兩個跟動物有關的問題要向農業部請教先談寵物用藥 |
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那在你們在2015年的時候有修所謂的動保法第四條嘛那授權農業部定管理辦法結果拖了九年到了2024年才發布那還給了兩年緩沖期兩年730天左右你們自己書面報告寫的701項公告藥品完成登錄的只有114項只有兩成 |
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請問一下署長這兩年的緩衝期有沒有設專人主案輔導藥商來登錄有或沒有好 |
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有其實這兩年的時候我們總共開過了相關的會議有15場15場那為什麼只有兩成不到只有兩成而已所以這個就是在原來的辦法裡面其實對於人用藥轉為動保用藥他第一個他綁住了他有這個登錄的問題那第二個他是有這個貼標的問題也就是說他會增加很多的成本跟人事上跟他們 |
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所以這些問題不是也一直存在這麼多年了那為什麼只有這樣那你現在要怎麼改不是所以現在就是因為有這些他們所有的聲音以及他們裹足不前的這些的部分那我們大概都納入到我們在解決的辦法 |
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其實我這樣算一算剛剛這樣講起來已經是十年的事情其實已經非常的久了那到現在還在用這個理由推說這根本就是行政怠惰或者是你行政無能因為我要憑良心講你們這一次的事件導致的問題非常的多我們是站在四組的角度大家非常憂心你們7月1號上路可是這事情明明已經這麼十年的時間了結果你到現在登錄才兩成 |
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這根本就是你們行政太多然後你造成什麼問題你知道嗎本席也接受到民間的陳情本來六月中的時候他們還想這個有民間有這個協會啊還找了不管是獸醫師團體也好或者是找這個藥師團體也好各個團體大家本來要和諧一起舉辦相關的寵物家年華結果你今天這樣一搞這個活動幾乎他們就不想要互相幫忙也不想要在那個活動裡面互相協辦 |
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所以這根本我想要表達的事情是這件事情你們的行政怠惰你的行政無能已經導致產生這樣子的問題而且讓四組很擔憂之外也讓這些團體好像變成是互為敵人 |
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署長我跟委員報告法案的形成一定有它的背景那到了113年2月26號公告之前那也三次的預告的會議那基本上相關的利害關係人共通無誤所以才開始溝通到公告所以才會有113年2月26號的公告辦法那署長請問為什麼變成這樣那公告以後有兩年的緩衝時間也就今年的7月要實施 |
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剛剛我也聽到劉建國委員說啊這個你剛剛有講說時空背景不同嘛十年多來的那你所謂的時空背景不同具體到底是什麼為什麼什麼到底什麼原因你可以搞成這個樣子 |
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所以我跟委員在做報告其實在這個辦法裡面當時是有一些的規範也就是說當我動物醫院要使用藥的時候我不單純只是來自於動保用藥我們人用藥轉到動保用藥它一定要登錄前面我剛剛都仔細聽了這個細節我們相關細節我就具體請問一下這個就是一個主案那我就具體請問一下現在我想醫用氧氣是動物手術跟急救的基本需求 |
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那請問署長你們農業部有沒有發函給所謂氧氣供應商告訴他們這個過渡期可以繼續供貨給動物醫院有或沒有我108年 |
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為福布行文告訴所有的藥商跟藥局就是在這個暫行期間這個的供應其實是無虞的那現在還是一樣因為辦法沒有實施而且甚至已經註銷所以現在還是適用 |
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因為我跟你說部長還有部長我跟你們說其實部分的供應商其實已經擔心違法那也開始拒絕供貨那我想請問一下假設凌晨兩點的時候這些這個家長毛小孩的家長們假設貓咪心臟病發獸醫師說他需要氧氣但是供應商不敢賣那現在就是發生了這樣的問題那你要不要去具體的在這裡說 |
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現在可以然後甚至你去發函告訴這些供應商請他不用擔心違法是在其實在4月10號的時候就已經有也有做這樣的一個決定那會不會同意再次行文發函給所有的供應商也就是我們的經銷商或藥商好你們會發嗎那什麼時候要發那現在什麼時候要發 |
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跟委員說明其實剛剛署長也有提到在108年這個食藥署就已經發過一個函在這個辦法實施之前藥商都可以供應所以只要你們在這裡明確講這件事情我們在替這些事主這些毛小孩的爸媽要讓他們安心然後呢因為這段時間你也要讓這些供應商安心因為你雖然說你暫緩了 |
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但是現在還是有相關的法規限制還是有存在的那藥商賣藥給獸醫院在法律上他會覺得有風險對不對所以你現在暫緩憑良心獎不等於解決啊說實在獸醫師他每天在法律風險中救命所以你應該要趕快我的訴求啊我的訴求很簡單第一個你兩週內或者是最好是這一週你就可以去發函好就發函然後呢韓市說他們現在不會有這個遇到所謂違法的問題他可以這樣使用 |
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那再來一個月內要解決這個醫用氧氣你要確保這些這個不管是各個醫院他都可以用到足夠的這些氧氣讓這些毛小孩在急診的時候可以安全無虞 |
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好委員我跟您報告氧氣在被存在社會醫院這事情是目前制度還是繼續進行所以不會因為如果說7月1號如期實施這個辦法當然大家就會有恐懼但也有解套的方法但如果現在是沒有問題原來不是 |
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我是說假設7月1號也有一個解決方法就是用寄存的方式寄存的方式但現在沒有那個辦法實施所以現在維持現在的制度上是沒有所以你就承諾我我剛剛訴求蠻簡單的第一你要含釋方案好不好含釋告訴大家這個沒有問題大家不用擔心有這個違法法律風險好這第一件事第二件事情就是你要承諾這些事情都是可以做到的不會因此 |
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讓他們沒有所謂的氧氣可以容應因為現階段我們就是有收到對但是我們就是有收到相關的擔憂跟陳情我才會在這裡跟你提出質疑我現在就是要你把這件事情講出來這樣你懂嗎確定喔可以承諾嗎跟委員承諾啦就是說下一個應該是有農業部他會發一個函來註銷這一個管理辦法 |
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那麼在註銷這個管理辦法的同時我們食藥署也會再發一個函在這個辦法沒有新的辦法實施之前那麼藥商能量可以供應這個相關的701項的藥品包含這個醫用氣體所以你們現在的這個辦法究竟是暫緩還是廢除 |
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註銷 註銷了 註銷了要用一個新的辦法對不對好這個事情也要講清楚好那再來我要再問第二個問題喔也是請杜署長美濃的狗園啊349隻超量收容他上限是120那他的BCS是1到3喔那至少 |
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無死那動保處裁罰四萬五沒有移送那據瞭解承諾發新聞但是也沒有發好這個不行這個部分請問一下我們署長有沒有掌握對不起委員雖然是在農業部但我是動植物防疫檢疫署那這個的業務是屬於動保師那據我瞭解動保師應該在做處理了 |
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有在處理那我要告訴你因為你們今天農業部來你算是最高的長官那我一定轉達好我跟你說沒有我要繼續講我現在就是要講給大家聽所以比較一下這個案子2022年的時候它的這個2022年桃園觀音案也有數十具的這個遺骸那罰了二十多萬而且移送法辦那高雄這一次呢罰四萬五沒有移送那為什麼同一部動保法有兩種標準 |
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對不對 那署長 農業部作為中央主管機關你們應該要去主動介入 或者是有沒有監督機制 有或沒有 |
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絕對是有監督機制的因為動保法裡面其實規範的還相當好有監督機制可是看起來完全就是有問題因為你們沒入84之後那還有一個叫園主要自行減量約80隻那這80隻去了哪裡有跨縣市移動嗎你們農業部有沒有辦法追蹤到 |
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我跟委員報告一下如果說在於回到收容所的業務的時候其實是中央跟地方分工的不過我覺得這件事情我還是要請中央地方分工沒有錯可是他跨縣市移動了這就像是這就是中央部會本來就應該我剛說你有沒有監管有沒有管理的機制好那他移動了你有沒有辦法知道他移動去了哪裡那你們有沒有統籌機制請問有或沒有 |
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有來嗎是好那個委員我這樣講啦針對的這個的部分那我們是不是會後可以提供處理的請會後提供給本市報告好那因為我想要再問那全全國的188間的民間狗場合法的有幾間所以 |
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我們不是主管機關所以還是我好那我在這裡告訴大家林吼那公立收容8000隻遊蕩犬有16萬喔那高雄流向民間最多那84隻僅3隻進了公立那其餘的有TSPCA承擔那募款要443萬動保法也有沒有向市主追討安置費的法源請農業部如果有任何人知道都可以回答 |
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就好沒有只能請棟寶師整體性針對好那你這個請你也記錄下來因為我查的就是沒有好430萬民間承擔300多隻狗不當飼養啊只罰了4萬5一隻狗的命喔只值啊150塊啊150塊所以我覺得這個已經是完全有兩兩套標準所以我最後的訴求喔就是四個書面喔第一個兩週內要 |
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這個發函函式剛剛所謂的要確保這些供應商還有這些獸醫師他們都可以不會覺得在遊走在法律邊緣然後要盡速解決我剛剛說的去了解究竟這些供應商他們有沒有因為這樣子不供應氧氣然後要去了解每一個獸醫院他在急診的部分這個使用有沒有問題 |
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然後呢兩週內或者是你們會後直接可以的話就提供給我你們我剛剛說的這個高雄的案子他的這八十支犬的去處還有一個月內大量的飼養納管方案我要說喔政府花了這個 |
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整件事情花了11年準備這個寵物用藥的制度結果到現在看起來是一塌糊塗結果讓茅海有醫生可能卻沒有藥用 擔心啊好 那地方政府又面對這樣子重大的虐待案罰四萬五 連安置費都要民間募款制度我想是人做的 那制度失靈也是人造成的然後你們造成的時候導致了這麼多的問題 |
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所以我要的不是口號 是你們具體的時間表和時間謝謝主席 |