| IVOD_ID |
168554 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168554 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-15T10:35:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-15T10:48:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ec77822e2e6eae34a5da2a8123ca3968ea785098ebfecd5f584cb79d4e2317875006cf0b37b233e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:29 - 10:48:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院經貿談判辦公室、經濟部、農業部、教育部就「美國貿易代表署發布《2026年各國貿易評估報告》（2026NTE）提及技術性貿易壁壘或食品安全檢驗與動植物防疫檢疫SPS）壁壘之豬肉、牛肉與牛肉產品、β促進劑的最大殘留容許量等各項食農相關產品及技術之要求，我國所承諾之措施、移除產品禁令或取消輸入口岸檢疫程序等，並特就其中開放切片馬鈴薯帶芽（或腐爛或發黴）仍能整批進口與其敦促撤銷基改食品進校園，對我國食品安全造成之衝擊與因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請衛生福利部、農業部、行政院消費者保護處就「寵物用藥新制上路在即，犬貓及非經濟動物急重症醫療銜接、藥品流向管理、飼主取得可近性與消費權益保障之整體配套」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
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主席好 我們請石部長還有我們這個房檢署杜署長有請杜立黃署長及石沉陽部長就業人長部長好 |
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我想請問一下今年4月8號我們總統府這個國策顧問黃金順在媒體投書說113年通過這套這個能用藥品用於這個犬貓管理辦法是藥師獸醫師事主團體共同努力下推這個通過的過去的會議紀錄裡面你們在訂定這個管理辦法的時候藥師工會是不是強力要求人藥除登錄外全數回歸這個藥局來供應 |
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包括委員,因為這個是雙部會選公告,那也會爭取到不管 |
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還是他的身份比較特殊 你們不敢講不是 不是 這個制度的建立的時候 形成的時候其實還是會廣伸大家的意見好啦 當時我們陳俊吉部長跟薛立原前部長一起發布的我們看一下104年 民委會在公告的時候說獸醫師使用人用藥物可直接向藥商購買那108年1月 |
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藥師公會這個藥師公建議書主張要留藥局重點在於說本會建議能用藥物用於犬貓及非經濟動物依法應納入藥師管理獸醫師則應居於這個診療治療之角色開立處房間再由獸醫師或向民眾向社區藥局取得藥物 |
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那藥師秉持專業這個動物用藥的把關使得保障這個動物健康及全民用藥的環境就是113年通過的版本那獸醫師開藥 事主呢 然後去藥局領藥然後再拿回去給這個獸醫師治療嘛當時是這個黃金順是這個產務監事而且已經是內定的這個準理事長 |
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那108年10月呢黃金順這個正式接任這個理事長之後呢接受媒體採訪的時候他說任期內他希望推動這個單軌制完成這個醫藥分業最後一塊拼圖對醫藥家透明化動物人用藥 |
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中藥調劑問題都堅持他的看法他說沒有人比藥師更懂藥每一種藥都有配五進劑毛小孩用的藥應該由藥師做最後把關那我現在覺得你們會不會覺得 |
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來的有點突然他說藥要留在藥局藥師把關結果你們113年的管理辦法就變了然後大數在114年與115年的營運重點就是將人用藥轉寵物用的櫃位制度化 |
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目標是全台一千家的門市達成社區滲透力的極大化你們按照黃金順的這個指示從108年1月18日的建議書開始衛福部跟農業部就乖乖的就遵他的指示這樣辦理你不覺得很奇怪嗎 |
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跟委員說明齁這個我剛剛已經提到說在動物治療上沒有所謂醫藥分業啦跟這個人用是不一樣藥師那個獸醫師是可以直接這個調劑提供治療因為你們第一齁你沒說這個獸醫的購藥權齁把104年的那個獸醫可直接買藥的草案直接這個就處理掉了齁那等於是把全台毛小孩用藥的採購權從獸醫院轉到了藥局嗎 |
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也不是這樣就是說在這個獸醫他還是可以直接購藥沒有問題只是說在這個辦法裡面呢把這個人用藥品可以用於動物的呢把它分成兩種一種就是已經議定出來的這個700多種的藥裡面來申報為重度保護用藥的藥商可以直接購還有500多項沒進來你怎麼處理 |
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沒有進來的原來的規定他就是變成會到藥局可是這個就會造成取得上面的一些方便性的問題所以現在才把他暫時把他停下來重新再檢討當然這個方便性上要把他提高財團他的計畫馬上跑得比你們還快所以你們會不會以後就照他們的版本這樣走您說的是哪一個版本就是他講的就是到這個各藥局去領藥 |
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我們的目前的這個雙方討論的大概是雙軌制就是他也可以直接跟藥商叫藥那但是不足的地方也可以到藥局去拿好啦我希望你們兩個部會因為時間不過兩個部會在這件事情上真的可以替我們毛小孩的生命這個為出發點慎重來處理那另外我們請經貿辦 |
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這個台美對等貿易協定就是ART的主文本這是最重要的法律框架內容涵蓋的關稅貿易這個數位貿易等那台美投資合作瞭解備忘錄MOU這是針對那五千億美元投資與半導體供應鏈合作的意向書沒錯吧 |
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台美投資MOU是2500億的企業資助投資除了ART跟MOU2月12號在華府我們駐美代表談了幾個文件有多少份是換文還有多少是執行手冊 |
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2月12號在華府簽的那個ART的全文都已經公佈在網路上那為什麼美國人的報告裡面這個MRT裡面可以精準預測我們要改的這個食安數據是不是你們早就私下簽下了協定還是你們已經答應人家要放水 |
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跟委員說明就是說在相關的一些這個殘留標準部分呢我們跟國際去對接接軌所以應該所提的應該是指的是那個CODES的國際標準對你們都照他的標準嘛對不對 |
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國際標準我們是希望在參考科學數據上包含非關稅的貿易壁壘就像檢驗標準、查驗方式、殘留容許量等等以及換文跟執行手冊這些內容未來會不會送立法院 |
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我們會按照規定什麼規定就如果是需要涉及到修法的部分那當然我們就一定按照程序送到立法院因為條約締結法第三條寫得非常清楚只要涉及人民權利跟義務涉及法律變更它就是條約那如果按照美國的要求開放基改食品你剛剛講說這個不會進來對不對對 |
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那開放這個放寬碼鈴薯檢疫等標準呢?還有來機的容許值呢?如果是這個萊克多巴胺的MRL的部分,這是在授權的法規,我們會按照法治程序來進行那是不是你們,他們是整包來談對不對?那你是不是整包來談的時候,你是不是整包要送到我們立法院來審議?來通過? |
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因為他的這個範圍非常涉及層面很廣向委員報告就是有關於這個台美對等貿易協定的部分那之前這個本院長官已經有說明就是說將來會這個會把ART連同MOU送到立法院審議那目前是因為美國最高法院的判決之後導致這個ART的內容可能需要做必要的調整之後才能夠再送到立法院所以目前我們是我們希望 |
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不是說我們今天討論說你們改了什麼而是我想要知道說美國這個NTE報告裡到底要求什麼是不是應該跟我們國人來說明如果涉及到法規要修訂的部分我們也都是採取公開透明的方式你們讓我感覺到說如果美國這樣要求你們會偷偷地改 |
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不會不會不會所有都是按照這個法定的程序來做那屬於這個食品農產品的項目查驗方式如果要改改成這個業者依循這個記錄的調整那就是記錄好的要這個降低標準然後逐匹檢查被要求取消邊境程序被要求降低干預這些內容沒有錯吧 |
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應該是說回到我們的常規程序你們說今天你們報告裡面說邊境管理不便嘛對不對對 |
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可是名稱不變 做法有沒有改變沒有沒有沒有完全一樣嗎對對對好 我們看這個萊克多巴胺好了這三月份公布的動物用藥殘留標準剛好跟美題的美國的這個MTE報告出爐差大概兩週那當然這份公告的這個PDF我們看一下朱聖這樣明明寫著0.04嘛那後來幾天美國那個報告確証這個我們台灣已經答應0.09了 |
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是美國人說謊還是我們自己調的就你講的那個Codex那個嘛對不對三月我們沒有去調整這個任何的產有標準因為那個還要後續這是你們官方的公告喔 |
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這個公告主要是針對那個名稱的部分去做調整而已還沒有涉及到那個殘留標準你剛剛的部分本來0.04嘛你現在變成0.09你們3月有一個公告可是不是在談那個殘留標準不是這個我們再跟委員釐清這個公告並不是在調殘留標準這個你們官方公布的我們去抓下來的 |
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那個公佈前面都有一個修正重點那個只是名稱上的調整而已那個翻譯名稱啊牛也一樣嗎 未來牛也一樣嗎這個所有的ML的標準我們都會同時調整我們用Codex的這個標準還是未來你們自己有沒有最低容許值還是以後就照他的標準我們會除有特殊的情形不然我們都按照Codex的標準 |
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特殊情形就是Codex的標準不不不Codex是一般國際的通用標準對啊你們碰到問題的時候就拿那個標準來跟我們講對不對那我們之前的設定的標準如果我們當時以前沒有設標準它就是零容許對不對 |
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對就是因為沒有這個標準那現在我們就按照Codex標準對啊所以你們現在把方法改了啊不是嗎就是要按照我們盡量按照以前的規定以前規定那樣你們現在要這樣改 |
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應該這麼說這個Codex的標準也是在2013年之後才有之前Codex也沒有標準是不是我們整個防線都改變了嗎是這樣嗎就因為關稅的關係因為國際的整個科學標準也在進步啦以前也是Codex沒有訂出標準Codex訂出標準之後我們來參考Codex的標準你可不可以在這些關稅之前你自己先訂一個標準不要等到這些東西來的時候你再去調整嘛 |
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喔 也可以啊 反正我們目前的這個作業也在進行中那我再問一下 這個發芽的馬鈴薯可以吃嗎應該是看它的那個部位啦 看看部位啦什麼叫部位就是看它的情形 情形有嚴重有嚴重以前我們是驗到就整批推回去喔 那現在勒 |
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這個應該是這樣現在我們在整個的農業部說這是防疫管理的問題現在發芽的馬鈴薯可以整批進口進入加工廠你知道嗎所以它是防疫呢還是食安標準我跟你講這個部分是在防疫因為抑壓劑運的過程中還是有發芽可能負壓可能就會必須要剔除以前發芽就是整批退回美國說不行嘛所以我們就改了嘛 |
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就改到去加工嘛那你加工的話你認為它是安全的食品嗎我們是從源頭先要求管理就是在美國境內處理的時候就要經過檢疫他們進來怎麼樣我不知道但是進來台灣的海關我們碰到這個問題我們怎麼處理我們就整批封存然後呢那麼到一個這個特定的加工處所去做剔除 |
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你們以前看到風險就直接擋嘛你們現在看到風險進來再說這個很多其他的國家都是這樣做就是到一個加工的地方去做剔除馬鈴薯只是其中一個案未來我認為你們所有的明天會不會有其他的這些問題部長我希望你做好你專業的這個工作去把這個事情把關我們都為國人的健康做把關好 謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員 |
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謝謝邱政軍委的質詢 |