| IVOD_ID |
168524 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168524 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-15T09:35:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-15T09:49:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ec77822e2e6eae3353182aedf586e5fcf00c58ee6be6f7a957eaa2632da1fa15e224758909c50775ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:41 - 09:49:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請監察院秘書長列席說明立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
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有請審發會委員發言主席我們請祕書長有請祕書長 |
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聖文好,你好聖文長好,我們這是老同事謝謝,請勾指教今天在這個其實可以說是監察院的風雨飄搖的時刻你在這個時候來承擔在這邊是先跟你說聲辛苦謝謝那這個 |
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我今天大概主要要請教祕書長的部分是我們到目前為止中央政府總預算115年度的中央政府總預算今年度的總預算到現在還沒有審查這個依法它是要在去年12月31號之前就要審查完畢但到現在還沒有審查那還沒有審查 |
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我們現在就是怎麼辦就按照預算法第54條 |
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沒錯 就是去年的執行數我們今年繼續執行可是我們去年的執行數因為去年的預算的刪減後來雖然經過大院給予追加減預算及動用第二預備金但是整個業務費的執行數大概也佔全年的三成左右而已我現在要講就是這個啦齁你按照預算法第五十四條齁這個第一項第二款第二目你們能夠你們事實上現在因為預算 |
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這個今年度的預算到現在還沒有審查所以所有的政府機關都必須按照預算法第54條也就是說你們只能按照上年度的基準去動之是上年度的基準而且這個這個除了以貨授權的原定計畫還要按照上年度的執行數對上年度執行數下去下去這個核實動之 |
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那其他行政機關到目前大家就雖然所有的新興計畫政府所有該做的一些新的新的一些建樹都沒有辦法動之外但是各個機關大家就按照這個預算法第54條這個按照去年的執行數來核實動之基本上維持政府的基本功能大致上還沒有問題啦齁但是我們監察院齁我就看你們的預算 |
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你們預算在去年的預算114年度的預算就被砍了 砍到剩下差不多三成是不是對 就是一開始砍剩下4%而已4%而已後來近代大院有追加啦追加到最後足足的大概三成左右一點本來預算審查的時候你們那是被砍96%啦對對對如果沒有追加點預算的話沒有追加預算的話你們要用這4%的經費 |
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維持去年一年,也就算了,今年你們還要照這4%下去運作是這個意思,謝謝委員,點出這個重大問題後來增加之後你們大概差不多要三成了,30%啦30%你看你們該做的齁,我看你們115年度你們所提出的預算是3億2400萬左右嘛 |
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那但是你們按照這個預算法第五四條你們可以動資的剩下一億兩千一億零二萬是對不對三億變一億啊對只剩一億了一億多出頭而已這個吼這個包括你們的一般行政包括你們這個議事業務包括你們財產申報業務國家人權業務 |
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這些我還不談資本門喔就光經常門就幾乎是動彈不得了啦動彈不得其實這裡面也包含很多我們的同仁的工作上的需要譬如說電費啦等等這些環境的維護啊我現在一向這些喔有一些東西大家辛苦我都要去很辛苦啦你們那些水電也什麼都沒得運作那這個都還是歧視你們有一些真正嚴重的 |
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問題我今天就是要跟你談這些嚴重的問題第一個我們監察院齁我們按照這個 |
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資通安全管理辦法按照資通安全管理辦法他授權的這個資通安全責任等級分級辦法我們監察院是是屬於什麼樣的機關哪一級的A級A級自安A級的機關自安A級為什麼我們監察院有什麼什麼重要我們的資訊安全的重要性在哪裡 |
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跟大院報告我們監察人在調查這些案件的時候例如許多案件牽扯到國家的重要機密包括國防機密以及國安機密在內所以最後這些機密資料都以機密的方式傳遞給我們之後我們也必須要保存在院裡面尤其許多也是在電腦系統裡面 |
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這就有資安上面我們要維護 如果沒有足夠的經費建立足夠的防火牆等相關的防護機制的時候在資安上面也會造成許多的 不只是這些防火牆等等這些問題我這邊法規我秀出來了 按照這個自動安全責任等級辦法第四條 |
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資通安全等級你們是A級A級是什麼第一個你剛剛講的涉及業務涉及國家機密這是剛剛講的包括很多有國防機密等等另外業務涉及全國性民眾服務及跨公務機關共用性質 |
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的資通系統陳情人的個資再來就是個資陳情人公務員所有的個資都在你們電腦裡面我們監察院的資安是被列為A級這是全國最重要的但是不只你剛剛講的防火牆你按照這個資通安全等級辦法他第11條的這個付表 |
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他有要求你們這些A7機關有很多事情要做啊不只是防火牆啊你們要必須要全部核心自動系統要導入CNS27001或者是ISO的27001 |
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你們必須要獲得這些軟硬體授權你們還必須做這個完成第三方驗證這是依法法定你們資通安全該做的事情委員非常專業這都是我們資安上面必須要去達標的但是這些都需要預算來協助同仁去建置起來那怎麼辦才有足夠的安全性那今年怎麼辦我們的資安長來跟您回應一下 |
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報告委員其實就是向委員所秀出來的我們是A級機關我們有這樣子的法定義務那去年因為都沒有任何的預算所以本來我們應該做ISO認證的去年就沒有處理所以去年就沒有做了沒有處理 |
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一年沒有做 今年有辦法做嗎我們就是因為有一點點的追加所以我們用追加的預算 趕快今年再把它處理可以全部處理嗎 我剛講認證第三棒 認證這些授權今年我們要做 我們一定要做你們這個齁 這個就是 |
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我們法律要求我們監察院我們的治安必須要做到最高等級但是我們立法院卻給你們最低幾乎是零預算了簡單講幾乎是幾乎不給你們這個自動安全的預算我們即使是依照去年的執行數三成可是我們每個月的動資數也是有限所以在這個部分我們還是明顯不足 |
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其他政府機關大家省吃儉用大家就維持基本運作可以是因為沒有像你們監察院被砍到剩下三成你們這三成 結果你們去年三成就已經已經幾乎無法營運了今年還要再維持這樣子的執行數資訊 我講這個資訊安全 另外這牽涉到我們所有所有我們監察院頭 不管我們 |
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在野黨立委怎麼樣看待監察院監察委員的職權但是我們監察院有這麼多的公務人員在監察院裡面上班有關於消防安全消防安全的預算 |
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對 我們這個消防設備已經大概是27年前的非常老 民國76年到將近60年的老舊 40年的老舊設備了所以這個設備本來是預計在去年要進行更新啦我看你們預算是4300萬被砍 被砍掉之後這個案子沒辦法做所以有時候就會產生一些消防上的疑慮這個齁 |
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監察院非常特殊啦我們立法院你說中心大樓怎麼樣就算你們監察院還是古蹟啊是古蹟啊你們去年一年沒有經費維護這個古蹟一年兩年今年再按照去年的預算執行數還是沒有辦法維持這個古蹟再加上消防安全牽涉到所有在裡面工作的公務人員的這個性命安全結果我們立法院這樣子 |
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這樣子在虐待我們這些在現場上班公務人員真的要請大院在預算上面來體恤到我們在現場工作的所有同仁他的業務上的需要 他的環境安全衛生的需要 請大院多支持辦公環境的安全 消防的防護 基本設施的維護更遑論你們是個古蹟 |
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這種公共安全的需求它是有即時性的而且如果一發生任何的意外我們監察院真的是會非常的遺憾這個剛剛講資安消防這個都是你們監察院的人 |
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秘書長,今年是選舉,去年有沒有選舉?去年沒有選舉今年是選舉年啊,選舉年你們多了多少業務?政治獻金還有所謂財產申報相關的業務按照政治獻金法你們就是受理政治獻金申報的機關啊 |
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沒有選舉你們就沒有這個業務但是今年是選舉年按照過去的選舉我調了107年107年這個政治現金專戶就2305戶111年有2306戶 |
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我們今年大概會有一萬多個候選人 預估啦一萬多個候選人對 一萬多個候選人 每個人都要但是你們只能按照去年的預算來執行 去年有這條預算嗎都砍掉了那怎麼辦 我們的這些政治獻金大家就可以隨便報在這裡先預告所有的候選人 今年監察院沒有預算可以審大家的政治獻金了大家隨便報也不會像柯文哲這種下場啦 |
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是這樣嗎我們還是會盡力去維護但是要真的請大院給予支持讓這筆預算能夠通過讓我們能夠在今年年底大選的時候政治現金相關的審查能夠落實再加上還有就是所有公職人員的財產申報能夠落實那當然這就是屬於候選人以及公職人員的權利在這裡利用這個機會因為我們監察院 |
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要來這個立法院列席的機會並不多所以我今天利用這個機會我事實上希望說我們委員會大家所有不分黨派的委員大家可以理解這不是你們政治立場上面你們 |
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你們對憲政機關有什麼意見而是這裡面我剛剛所講的這些資訊安全這些消防安全甚至今年選舉年有關政治獻金跟這個財產申報的這些相關事務今年選舉年去年的預算去年就算預算完成百分之百通過今年還是要多這些業務結果現在只能動用預算的30% |
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所以我是在這裡成人也讓社會大家了解目前今年入的中央政府總預算到現在還不審查到現在還不審查連協商都不協商它所造成的後果 |
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所造成的後果我們在監察院上面看得最最最清楚啦他對國家安全對於對於這個國家資訊安全對於這整個選舉的這些這些陽光法案的執行他的影響之大在這裡希望齁我們本委員會的委員齁大家能夠有共同有所提認啦齁大家黨派立場不同沒關係一切以國家為重啦齁謝謝 |