| IVOD_ID |
168509 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168509 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第6次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第6次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-14T15:08:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-14T15:25:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:08:46 - 15:25:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第6次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，針對第11屆第4會期第2次會議報告事項第29案行政院函請審議「115年度中央政府總預算案（含附屬單位預算及綜計表－營業及非營業部分）」院會所作之決定提出復議。是否有當？請公決案等4案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（4月14日下午）三、4月10日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請總統臺院長卓院長請備詢那本席也要詢問卓院長就關於行政院的一些態度那所以說如果說有相關的業務相同的就請各位部會首長可以隨時上來好 謝謝 後面好 院長好 院長 |
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在開始我們這個經濟組執行之前我想有一些態度以及我們施政方針還是要跟您做確認因為您畢竟是我們國家的最高行政首長所以第一的部分是NCC獨立機關到目前為止這個人選什麼時候你還會再補提名 |
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因為從去年的11月到現在那還有三位人選他可能在今年的7月31也就到齊了也因此依法的話前三個月要提出來就是這個月的月底4月30號在4月30號以前有辦法提出來人選嗎我相信我也會了解在經過多次在大院裡面的人事同意權的行使之後我們現在要找 |
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任何一個新的人選來參與各個獨立機關的人事的同意權都會非常非常的困難院長這是你的責任我相信全台2350萬人優秀的專業的能夠事任的人員非常的多但是我們不要用政治意識形態來去框架那更重要的是有沒有積極在找 |
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我也認為我們過去找的都是優秀的專業的事人那有沒有積極在找現在有在非常的嘗試我們認為所有的機關尤其獨立機關應該讓它正常的運作剩兩個禮拜4月30號能不能提出來人選盡力我只能說盡力但是這不是盡力的問題依法要提出來現在院長卡在哪個環節是你徵詢的人但是他們都不願意還是我們民進黨政府口袋名單就這麼多 |
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不是我口袋沒有任何口袋的名單我們都是看哪一個機關適合的專業的事任的但是要站在這裡接受這樣的一個詢答之後又被全面的否定這個對很多人在下一次來講可不否定是立法院我想這沒有辦法通過是立法院委員大家共同的這個表決決議但我們一定是本於能夠為我們中華民國獨立機關來做行使來去做決定 |
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立法院不是行政院的橡皮圖章但行政院有責任跟有義務要提出優秀的人選來給立法院來做審查因此現在我們在講的是NCC的人選到目前為止你這個月的月底能不能提出來我可以努力 |
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我可以盡力但是我實在沒有十足的把握但是沒有把握所以你現在要行政院帶頭違法不是委員今天再提了我們還是再盡力的去尋找所以行政院有可能帶頭違法不是我們去拜託哪一位優秀的專業的事任的人而是他願不願意另外本席也想請教就是既然你剛剛提到了就是那中選會的部分有四位委員是已經通過立法院的一個審查也認為他們是合適而且請容許本席提醒那是立法院112位委員 |
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集體同意包括韓國院長 包括江啟臣副院長也認為那些中選會的委員是適任的也因此我們讓他同意通過了到目前為止還沒有任命 |
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我想那個過程跟原因委員應該清楚我只想要請教是什麼時候會認命什麼時候要依法認命中選會的委員的設置是9到11人那這四位通過的什麼時候依法認命我跟委員報告中選會委員的設置依照組織法是9至11人 |
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現在我們只想要請教的是說我們通過的這四位從3月11號到現在一個多月的時間了已經創下史上最長立法院通過之後行政院不認命的狀況我們現在想請教連民進黨委員都同意的中選會人士為什麼不認命現在我們原來的四位委員再加上四位委員那就是八位中選會的委員設置是九到十一位 |
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我認為我應該在所以你要補提名啊我再補足三位是你要補提名補提名跟任命是不衝突的事情他是兩線作業啊沒有說一定要任命才能補提名還是一定要補提名才能任命重點在於是你什麼時候要任命那我基於 |
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對大院的尊重我詢問過我們如果補提名是不是可以放進去未來這不是條件交換現在補提名都不讓你自始自終沒有搞出一個重點就是您是行政院長依法行政也因此你要尊重中華民國憲法你要尊重中華民國相關機關既然立法院112位委員都已經同意任命四位中選會委員這也是你們提出來的憑什麼不任命 |
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我跟立法院談好的方式名格提出來不是私下交換你不要把你不要把這種黑箱作業拿出來好像這個嘩嘩氣口本席現在就法論法來跟你討論剛出你們都說這是一個好的開始但現在都說是黑箱作業我實在是無可奈何院長我告委員的是說本席現在想要問的是什麼時候要依法行政所以好我只 |
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這個是態度問題你要對全民負責我只想要確認所以現在是不是我們中選會的四位委員任命要等你補提名完之後也湊齊了所有委員你才要一次任命該任命就一定要任命依法就會任命所以你現在已經拖了一個多月的時間不要玩文字遊戲這個任命的時候也讓中選委員長你的態度是什麼是要先補提名還是先任命 |
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我認為即使補貼民在經過大選的同意書也要一段時間所以要先補貼因為馬上今年年底就到了要選舉那也已經中選會在立法院也已經備詢的時候承認如果說現在還沒有委員任命的話有可能影響到年底的大選那難道行政院要當嚴當年底大選的罪人嗎不會不會讓他嚴當所以什麼時候要任命 |
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先提名還是先認命就這麼簡單你告訴國人先提名還是先認命這兩個原來是不相干的事情當然不相干通過就要認命這本來就是很正常的事情我們在嘗試說我們是不是在補提名本身還有很多的經濟議題所以說我現在想要確認你的態度是先提名還是先認命我會認命同時也會補提名所以是同步進行什麼時候補提名我們人選已經準備好什麼時候送出來 |
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這個就是在談的過程我也要經過 我不能把人送出來之後浪費了七分鐘時間實問虛答這不是一個好的態度讓我必須更為謹慎過去的經驗讓我必須更為謹慎委員 |
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我必須對被提名人負責沒有時間表好來院長本席關乎另外一個重點就是我們農業部在這個上個禮拜有一個寵物用藥之亂其實這個我覺得是本來無疑是何處惹塵埃因為2024年我們看到衛福部農業部一紙公文就說要把它變成是一個非人類用藥的這個新制上路在今年7月1號我知道上個禮拜五農委會下農業部下午的時間 |
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已經有先開會並且講是說暫緩實施但我們現在想要為全國的毛小孩請命以及讓市主能夠安心在這一件事情的爭議其實重點在於是市主擔心未來會不會這個新制上路之後毛小孩沒有辦法有緊急用藥可以用所以我現在想要先確認一下的是有沒有暫緩實施有沒有實施的時間表在實務上問題還沒有解決的情況底下 |
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不會有實施的時間表再來第二個部分這一次大家也希望能夠因應這樣子來去做個確認就是獸醫師裡面能夠把寵物的必備救命急用藥清單列出來到目前為止700多項藥品只有列了100多項能不能加速 |
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我跟委員報告就是說我們現在目前根據動保法第四條第二項裡面已經公告了701項能不能加速的藥品那701項已經涵蓋了大部分獸醫院所需要的現在只有合併100多項嘛我現在講的能不能加速那是純粹的動保用藥現在動物保護用藥的部分就是人藥可以轉的已經有701項有公告 |
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那現在是在管理的方式是有一些討論那第一個部分我想剛才院長也說了在這個法在沒有取得公示之前我們會先暫緩實施第二個部分就是在暫緩實施到新的法出來之前我們一定會確保現在獸醫院的所有用藥都一定滿足他們的用藥需求確保獸醫院用藥滿足需求以及最重要是在這次有看到氧氣的供給 |
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就是說緊急的醫療的時候因為寵物槍隊比人體積小很多所以說它對於如果說緊急狀況要氧氣供給的時候是更加急迫的那未來在獸醫院裡面很多獸醫師都有提出來就是說氧氣的部分是不是也可以列為說在獸醫院的一個常備藥品常備物品我想我們在 |
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4月10號討論的時候都有討論到而且我們已經在處理這個議題這個議題確定就是說以前是整瓶嘛現在可以分標籤的部分去處理所以這個問題基本上是可以解決的我剛才說的就是不會讓寵物在緊急醫療的時候不會有缺乏氧氣以及相關藥品是的 |
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包括救援的時候有些野生動物的救援的時候也能夠確保他們的備藥本席的重點只有一個不能有任何毛小孩被犧牲制度可以討論但是不能因為制度的討論階段而造成毛小孩權益犧牲所以剛剛院長以及部長已經承諾了在確認用藥之前心智不會上路是吧是來再來喔院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
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現在很多人都在講我們很多的地方業者也講是說這所謂現在中國大陸有提出來所謂會台十大措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
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會不會台見仁見智啊說實在話中國大陸要提出什麼措施但我們要不要有對等尊嚴的來去接受或是說我們的態度是什麼我想在野黨搞不好在野黨黨主席已經善盡在野黨的責任有一個對等的公開談話但現在我們不是執政黨也因此重點還是在於是執政黨的態度有沒有願意要跟對岸來去做進一步的溝通或了解 |
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因為很多的業者也在觀望就是說飯店、旅遊、住宿、觀光、餐飲業者也認為是說有沒有可能有更兩岸迎來春暖花開的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
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院長您的態度是什麼我應該了解我們一向支持也努力要推動所有健康永續的這個交流但是必須要在對等所以我們的立場沒有不同我們都是中華民國的一份子但現在對岸已經提出了十大措施那我們現在是兩個部分一 全面否定完全都不要接這個球二 |
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請海基會或是相關兩岸對口單位開始來去了解說這到底可以怎麼樣進行三 能夠接受其實就只有這三種除了剛剛說的健康有序 |
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尊嚴對等之外 也要不設前提 不帶條件是嘛 沒有錯 這一些我都可以理解 這個是你執政黨的責任沒有錯 就是因為要透過公權力的機關也因此我們身為在野黨 我不會逼著民進黨政府說一定要接受或一定不接受我現在想要問的是執政黨的態度 |
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來 請說明我現在在問院長啦因為院長十大措施裡面有包括農業部也包括文化部等相關部會所以我想問的是院長的態度是什麼在健康有序對等尊嚴這個也許我們的看法會有所出入在有沒有設前提有沒有附條件這應該看得出來吧院長 等於現在在講的就是說所以你現在是要不要談 |
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我只想請教很多國人都關心我還是強調我是在野黨的委員所以我絕對不會說逼執政黨一定接受一定不接受我們政治立場不同我們的看法可能不同但現在是你要負起責任嘛現在中國大陸那邊推出了十大措施我們是要跟他進一步的來洽談說有沒有條件還是有沒有前提還是說我們就是完全否定 |
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除了第一項他要建立國共兩黨常態化溝通機制這個我沒有意見那其他的他帶了很多的九二共識反對台獨這樣的一個帽子所以你認為是這都沒有辦法談這就是帶條件跟帶前提啊而且影視作品他還要內容精緻還要這個什麼健康 |
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這個帶了很多很多這種不必要的前提啊那就是執政黨的態度因為這個就是你的態度因為你現在你執政你當家所以你要對全民負責也因此我現在就確認說執政黨的態度那執政黨的態度也可以讓全民來檢視好那另外一個部分 |
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院長你竟然也講到了就說國與國之間要簽訂任何的協議或是NOU等等的也都是要執政當局也都是要政府來簽訂所以近期討論的印度移工開放的事件 |
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我們是中華民國政府也就是民進黨政府跟印度官方來去簽訂有做印度移工的引進那並且在2024年的2月的時候通過行政院的被查才送來到立法院所以行政院自始至終都是發起人都是主導的角色那現在 |
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洪森漢部長講說要開放一千名的印度移工來網路上的風向正在講是說藍白要求行政院來開放不覺得很荒謬嗎既然你已經講同樣一個標準跟大前提的話惠台十大政策那是你 |
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中華民國政府要去努力那我們只能給建議或說我們只能看你們怎麼做但另外一方面中華民國政府跟印度來做一個溝通來簽訂NOU開放印度移工又變成是在野黨的責任 |
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MOU送到大院來審查的時候確實各黨委員會都有表示過各種贊成的意見我們現在兩個前提一個是產業端他是不是有這樣的需求我現在只是講那你行政院長的態度能不能先採 |
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時間比較適量所以能夠開放直到我們認為說達成我們的配套跟國人關係才能夠進行下一步所以說你去求對方有人做什麼做我們的要求 |
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好 謝謝 |
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990.213 |
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是通過的軍人家庭條例,警察人士條例,不願意承受制止 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:55.742000+08:00 |
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主席，謝謝。 |
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1 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:59.064000+08:00 |
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麻煩請卓榮泰院長。 |
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0.625 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:59.064000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:02.386000+08:00 |
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卓院長請備詢。 |
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1 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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本席也要詢問卓院長關於行政院的一些態度，如果有相關業務相同的，就請各位部會首長可以隨時上來。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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謝謝，洪委員好。 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:13.972000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:14.193000+08:00 |
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院長好。 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:15.895000+08:00 |
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在開始經濟組質詢之前，我想先就一些態度以及施政方針還是要跟您確認，因為您畢竟是國家的最高行政首長。 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:26.327000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:33.595000+08:00 |
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第一部分是獨立機關NCC到目前為止的委員人選，你什麼時候還會再補提名？ |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:34.359000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:52.372000+08:00 |
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因為從去年11月到現在，還有三位人選在今年7月31日到期了，也因此依法前三個月要提出來，就是這個月的月底、4月30日，在4月30日以前有辦法提出人選嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:52.372000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:09.561000+08:00 |
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我相信委員也了解，經過多次在大院人事同意權的行使之後，我們現在要找任何一個新的人選來參與各個獨立機關的人事同意權都會非常、非常的困難，但我們還是…… |
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0.897 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:09.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-14T15:10:10.623000+08:00 |
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院長，這是你的責任。 |
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1 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:10.863000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:23.217000+08:00 |
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我相信全臺2,350萬人，優秀的、專業的、能夠適任的人員非常多，但是我們不要用政治意識型態去框架，更重要的是有沒有積極在找？ |
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0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-14T15:10:23.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-14T15:10:26.539000+08:00 |
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我也認為我們過去找的都是優秀的、專業的及適任的…… |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-14T15:10:27.100000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-14T15:10:28.141000+08:00 |
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那麼現在有沒有積極在找？ |
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0.727 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:28.821000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-14T15:10:34.186000+08:00 |
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有在非常的嘗試，我們認為所有的機關，尤其獨立機關，應該讓它正常運作。 |
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1 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:34.466000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-14T15:10:38.930000+08:00 |
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好，這個月剩兩個禮拜，4月30日能不能提出人選？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-14T15:10:38.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-14T15:10:40.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
盡力，我只能說盡力，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-14T15:10:40.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-14T15:10:43.313000+08:00 |
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這不是盡力的問題，而是依法要提出來。現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-14T15:10:43.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-14T15:10:45.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
院長，卡在哪個環節？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-14T15:10:45.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-14T15:10:46.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
對於每一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-14T15:10:45.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-14T15:10:51.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
是你徵詢的人都不願意，還是民進黨政府口袋名單就這麼多？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-14T15:10:52.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:07.585000+08:00 |
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不是，我沒有任何口袋名單，我們都是看哪一個機關適合的、專業的、適任的，但是要站在這裡接受這樣的詢答之後，又被全面的否定，這個對很多人在下一次的…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:07.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:09.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
否不否定是立法院……是啦…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:09.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:14.591000+08:00 |
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我想沒有辦法通過，是立法院委員共同的表決、決議…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:14.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:15.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
我只是說出我們現在在找的過程…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:14.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:32.788000+08:00 |
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但我們一定是本於讓中華民國的獨立機關能夠行使而做的決定，立法院不是行政院的橡皮圖章，但行政院有責任跟義務提出優秀的人選讓立法院審查…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:32.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:33.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
以我們就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:33.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:41.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
因此，現在我們講的是NCC人選，請問到目前為止，這個月月底前能不能提出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:41.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:46.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
我可以努力、可以盡力，但是我實在沒有十足把握，但是委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:46.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:47.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
沒有把握？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:47.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:49.545000+08:00 |
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所以現在行政院要帶頭違法？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:50.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:52.967000+08:00 |
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不是，委員今天提的，我們還是再盡力去尋找…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:53.288000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:54.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
所以行政院有可能帶頭違法？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:54.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-14T15:11:59.552000+08:00 |
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不是我們去拜託哪一位優秀、專業、適任的人選，而是他願不願意站在這個地方…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-14T15:11:59.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-14T15:12:24.607000+08:00 |
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好，另外，本席也想請教，既然你剛剛提到中選會的部分，是有4位委員已經通過立法院審查，也認為他們合適，而且容許本席提醒，那是立法院112位委員集體同意的人選，包括韓國瑜院長，包括江啟臣副院長，也都認為那些中選會委員是適任的，因此我們同意他們、通過了，但到目前為止還沒有任命…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:25.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-14T15:12:27.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
我想那個過程…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:27.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-14T15:12:28.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
什麼時候會任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:27.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-14T15:12:29.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
過程跟原因委員應該清楚，我認為…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:29.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-14T15:12:31.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我只是想要請教，什麼時候會任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:32.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-14T15:12:33.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
什麼時候要依法任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:33.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-14T15:12:36.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
中選會委員的設置是9到11人，目前我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:38.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-14T15:12:40.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
這四位通過的，什麼時候要依法任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:40.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-14T15:12:45.757000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，中選會委員的設置，依照組織法是9至11人，但現在是八位…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:45.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-14T15:12:47.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
你不要跟我背法條。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:47.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:01.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我現在只想請教，我們通過的這4位，從3月11號到現在，一個多月的時間，已經創下史上最長立法院通過後，行政院不任命的狀況…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:01.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:02.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我要跟委員講的是，我們現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:02.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:07.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
所以我現在想請教，連民進黨委員都同意的中選會人事，為什麼不任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:08.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:16.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
原來的4位委員，再加上4位委員，那就是八位，中選會的委員設置是9到11位，我認為應該再…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:16.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:17.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
所以你要補提名啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:18.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:19.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我再補足3位…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:19.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:28.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
是，你要補提名，但補提名跟任命是不衝突的事情，它是兩線作業，沒有說一定要任命才能補提名，還是一定要補提名才能任命，重點在於你什麼時候要任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:29.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:36.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
基於對大院的尊重，我詢問過，如果補提名，是不是可以放進去未來大院…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:36.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:37.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
這不是條件交換，院長…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:37.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:40.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
但是現在連補提名都不讓…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:40.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-14T15:13:58.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
你自始至終沒有搞清一個重點，你是行政院長，應該依法行政，也因此你要尊重中華民國憲法，你要尊重中華民國相關機關，既然立法院112位委員都已經同意任命4位中選會委員，這也是你們提出來的人，憑什麼不任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-14T15:13:59.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:03.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
洪委員，我跟立法院談好的方式、名額提出來…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:03.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:04.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
這沒有談，你跟誰談？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:04.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:05.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
不是，我過去談好的…… |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:03.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:13.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
這不是私下交換，你不要把這種黑箱作業拿出來誇誇其談，本席現在就法論法來跟你討論…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:13.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:19.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
當初我們都說這是一個好的開始，現在卻說是黑箱作業，我實在是無可奈何！院長…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:19.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:20.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我要告訴委員的是，我們談好的方式、人選…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.353 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:20.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:24.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
院長，本席現在想要問的是，什麼時候要依法行政？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:27.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:39.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
這是態度問題，你要對全民負責，我只是想要確認，現在中選會這4位委員的任命，是不是要等你補提名完之後，湊齊了所有委員，你才要一次任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:40.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:42.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
該任命就一定要任命，依法就會任命，而我也希望…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:43.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:45.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
你現在已經拖了一個多月的時間…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:45.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:46.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
任命的時候…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:45.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:47.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
不要玩文字遊戲。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:47.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:49.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
任命的時候，也讓中選會委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:49.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:50.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
院長，你的態度是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:50.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:52.231000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
是要先補提名，還是先任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:53.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:57.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我認為即使補提名，在經過大院的同意也要一段時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:57.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-14T15:14:58.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
所以要先補提？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-14T15:14:58.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:02.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
因為馬上今年年底就到了，要選舉。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:02.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:03.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:03.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:15.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
中選會在立法院備詢的時候也已經承認，如果現在還沒有委員任命，有可能影響到年底的大選，難道行政院要當延宕年底大選的罪人嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:15.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:16.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
不會，不會讓它延宕。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:17.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:18.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
所以什麼時候要任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:20.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:21.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
先提名還是先任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:21.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:24.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
就這麼簡單，你告訴國人先提名還是先任命。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:25.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:26.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
這兩個原來是不相干的事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:27.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:27.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
當然不相干啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:28.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:31.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
通過就要任命，這本來就是很正常的事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:32.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:34.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
委員，我們在嘗試說……我們是不是在補提名的過程都不順利…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:34.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:39.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
院長，本席還有很多的經濟議題，所以我現在想要確認，你的態度是先提名還是先任命？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:40.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:42.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我會任命，同時也會補提名。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:43.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:43.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
所以是同步進行？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:44.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:45.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
什麼時候補提名？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:46.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:47.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
人選已經準備好。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:47.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:48.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
什麼時候送出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:50.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:54.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
這個就是在談的過程，我也要經過……我不能把人送出來之後…… |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:54.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:56.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
浪費了7分鐘時間，實問虛答。不是。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:57.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-04-14T15:15:58.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
這不是一個好的態度。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-14T15:15:59.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:00.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
過去的經驗讓我必須更為謹慎。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:00.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:01.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
院長，這不是一個好態度。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:01.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:02.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
過去的經驗讓我必須更為謹慎。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:02.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:03.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
什麼時候會送出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:03.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:04.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
什麼時候會送出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:00.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:08.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
委員，我必須對被提名人負責。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:08.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:09.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
沒有時間表？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:11.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:21.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
本席關乎另外一個重點，就是農業部在上個禮拜有一個寵物用藥之亂，其實我覺得這個是本來無一物，何處惹塵埃。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:22.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:31.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
因為2024年我們看到衛福部、農業部一紙公文就說，要把它變成是非人類用藥新制上路，在今年7月1號。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:31.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:43.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
我知道上個禮拜五下午農業部已經有先開會，並且說暫緩實施，但我們現在想要為全國毛小孩請命，讓飼主能夠安心。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:43.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:52.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
這件事情的爭議重點在於飼主擔心未來會不會在新制上路之後，毛小孩沒有辦法有緊急用藥可以用？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:52.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:53.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
不會，在實務的…… |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:53.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-04-14T15:16:57.787000+08:00 |
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我現在想要先確認一下的是，暫緩實施，但有沒有實施的時間表？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-04-14T15:16:58.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-04-14T15:17:04.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
在實務上問題還沒有解決的情況底下，不會有實施的時間表。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-04-14T15:17:04.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-04-14T15:17:05.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
不會有實施的時間表。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-04-14T15:17:05.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-04-14T15:17:22.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
再來，第二個部分，這一次大家也希望能夠因應這樣來確認，就是獸醫師裡面能夠把寵物的必備救命急用藥清單列出來，到目前為止，七百多項藥品只有列了一百多項，能不能加速？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-04-14T15:17:23.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-04-14T15:17:29.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
我跟委員報告，我們目前根據動保法第十條第二項，已經公告了701項的藥品…… |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-04-14T15:17:29.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-04-14T15:17:30.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
能不能加速？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-04-14T15:17:32.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-04-14T15:17:34.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
701項已經涵蓋了大部分獸醫院所需要的，我在這邊…… |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-04-14T15:17:35.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-04-14T15:17:37.692000+08:00 |
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現在只有核定一百多項嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-04-14T15:17:37.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-04-14T15:17:39.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
我現在講的是能不能加速？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-04-14T15:17:39.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-04-14T15:17:50.899000+08:00 |
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那是純粹的動保用藥，現在動物保護用藥的部分，就是人藥可以轉的已經有701項有公告，那現在是在管理的方式有一些討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-04-14T15:17:51.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-04-14T15:17:56.623000+08:00 |
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第一個部分，我想剛才院長也說了，這個法在沒有取得共識之前，我們會先暫緩實施。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-04-14T15:17:57.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-04-14T15:18:07.511000+08:00 |
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第二個部分就是在暫緩實施到新的法出來之前，我們一定會確保現在獸醫院的所有用藥，都一定滿足他們的用藥需求。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-04-14T15:18:07.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-04-14T15:18:09.092000+08:00 |
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第三個就是有共識…… |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-04-14T15:18:09.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-04-14T15:18:10.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
確保獸醫院用藥，滿足需求。對。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-04-14T15:18:11.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-04-14T15:18:34.742000+08:00 |
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以及最重要的是在這次有看到氧氣的供給，就是緊急醫療的時候，因為寵物相對比人體積小很多，如果緊急狀況要供給氧氣是更加急迫的，很多獸醫師都有提出來，未來氧氣是不是也可以列為獸醫院的常備物品？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-04-14T15:18:35.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-04-14T15:18:42.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
我們在4月10號討論的時候，都有討論到，而且已經在處理這個議題…… |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-04-14T15:18:42.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-04-14T15:18:43.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
講結論。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-04-14T15:18:42.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-04-14T15:18:48.649000+08:00 |
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這個議題就是確定，以前一定要整瓶，現在可以分標籤的部分去處理，所以這個問題基本上是可以解決的。 |
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0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-04-14T15:18:48.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-04-14T15:18:49.829000+08:00 |
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我剛才說的，就是在新的辦法出來之前，所有緊急用藥…… |
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0.318 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-04-14T15:18:50.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-04-14T15:18:52.431000+08:00 |
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讓寵物在緊急醫療的時候，不會缺乏氧氣以及相關藥品。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-04-14T15:18:52.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-04-14T15:19:04.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
是的，包括救援野生動物的時候，也能夠確保他們的備藥。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-04-14T15:19:04.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-04-14T15:19:21.322000+08:00 |
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本席的重點只有一個，不能有任何毛小孩被犧牲，制度可以討論，但是不能因為制度的討論階段而造成毛小孩權益的犧牲，所以剛剛院長以及部長已經承諾了，在確認用藥之前，新制不會上路，是吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-04-14T15:19:21.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-04-14T15:19:21.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
是，暫緩。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-04-14T15:19:21.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-04-14T15:19:22.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-04-14T15:19:22.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-04-14T15:19:33.486000+08:00 |
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再來，現在很多人都在講，很多的地方業者也在說，中國大陸提出所謂的惠台十大措施。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-04-14T15:19:35.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-04-14T15:19:45.587000+08:00 |
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惠不惠台見仁見智，說實在話，中國大陸要提出什麼措施，但我們要不要有對等尊嚴的來接受，或是我們的態度是什麼。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-04-14T15:19:48.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-04-14T15:20:01.911000+08:00 |
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在野黨黨主席已經善盡在野黨的責任，有對等的公開談話，但現在我們不是執政黨，也因此重點還是在於執政黨的態度，有沒有意願要跟對岸進一步溝通或了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-04-14T15:20:02.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-04-14T15:20:15.087000+08:00 |
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其實很多業者也在觀望，包括飯店、旅遊、住宿、觀光、餐飲業者也期盼兩岸有沒有可能迎來春暖花開的時候，院長的態度是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.843 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-04-14T15:20:15.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-04-14T15:20:23.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
委員應該了解我們一向支持也努力要推動所有健康、有序的交流，但是必須在對等及尊嚴的前提之下…… |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-04-14T15:20:25.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-04-14T15:20:38.195000+08:00 |
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所以我們立場沒有不同，我們都是中華民國的一分子，但現在對岸已經提出十大措施，而我們現在有三種做法：一、全面否定，完全不要接這個球。 |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-04-14T15:20:38.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-04-14T15:20:46.264000+08:00 |
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二、請海基會或是兩岸相關對口單位開始了解到底可以怎麼樣進行。 |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-04-14T15:20:47.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-04-14T15:20:48.046000+08:00 |
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三、能夠接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-04-14T15:20:48.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-04-14T15:20:49.788000+08:00 |
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其實就只有這三種。 |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-04-14T15:20:49.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-04-14T15:20:54.856000+08:00 |
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除了剛剛說的健康有序、對等尊嚴之外，也要不設前提、不帶條件……是嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-04-14T15:20:55.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-04-14T15:21:00.479000+08:00 |
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沒有錯，這一些我都可以理解，這都是執政黨的責任…… |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-04-14T15:21:00.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-04-14T15:21:01.479000+08:00 |
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同時必須經過公權力的機關協商…… |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-04-14T15:21:00.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-04-14T15:21:12.584000+08:00 |
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沒有錯，就是因為要透過公權力的機關，也因此身為在野黨，我不會逼著民進黨政府一定要接受或一定不接受，我現在想要問的是執政黨的態度，請說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-04-14T15:21:12.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-04-14T15:21:13.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
報告委員，以農業部來講…… |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-04-14T15:21:12.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-04-14T15:21:15.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
我現在在問院長啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-04-14T15:21:15.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-04-14T15:21:22.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
因為十大措施裡面有包括農業部，也包括文化部等相關部會，所以我想要問的是院長的態度是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-04-14T15:21:22.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-04-14T15:21:29.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
針對健康有序、對等尊嚴，也許我們的看法會有所出入，但有沒有設前提、有沒有附條件，這應該看得出來吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-04-14T15:21:29.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-04-14T15:21:30.756000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
很多前面都要帶一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-04-14T15:21:30.236000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:21:36.401000+08:00 |
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院長，本席在講的是你現在要不要談？ |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-04-14T15:21:37.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-04-14T15:21:50.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
我只是想請教這個問題，因為很多國人都關心，我還是強調我是在野黨的委員，所以我絕對不會逼執政黨一定接受或一定不接受，我們的政治立場不同，我們的看法可能不同，但現在是你要負起責任嘛！如果…… |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.869 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-04-14T15:21:51.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-04-14T15:22:01.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
現在中國大陸推出了十大措施，我們是要跟他進一步洽談有沒有條件還是有沒有前提，還是我們就是完全否定，球現在到我們這邊了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-04-14T15:22:04.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-04-14T15:22:14.840000+08:00 |
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除了第一項他要建立國共兩黨常態化溝通機制，這個我沒有意見，其他的他帶了很多的九二共識、反對臺獨這樣的帽子…… |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-04-14T15:22:15.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-04-14T15:22:17.583000+08:00 |
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所以你認為這都沒有辦法談？ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-04-14T15:22:17.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-04-14T15:22:18.984000+08:00 |
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這就是帶條件跟帶前提啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-04-14T15:22:19.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-04-14T15:22:28.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
而且影視作品他還要內容精緻、健康，帶了很多、很多不必要的前提，對不對？ |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-04-14T15:22:29.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-04-14T15:22:42.044000+08:00 |
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好，這就是執政黨的態度，這就是你的態度，因為現在你執政、你當家，所以你要對全民負責，也因此我現在就要確認執政黨的態度，執政黨的態度也可以讓全民來檢視。 |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-04-14T15:22:42.424000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:22:53.576000+08:00 |
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另外一個部分，院長既然也講到了國與國之間要簽訂任何協議或是MOU等等，也都是要執政當局、也都是要政府來確定嘛！ |
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0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-04-14T15:22:53.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-04-14T15:22:54.576000+08:00 |
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都要公權力的機關來進行協商。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-04-14T15:22:54.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-04-14T15:22:55.576000+08:00 |
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公權力的機關，非常好！ |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-04-14T15:22:54.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-04-14T15:23:20.750000+08:00 |
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近期討論的印度移工開放事件，這是由中華民國政府，也就是民進黨政府跟印度官方簽訂引進印度移工，並且在2024年2月行政院通過才送來立法院備查，所以行政院自始至終都是發起人、都是主導的角色。 |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-04-14T15:23:21.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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2026-04-14T15:23:34.446000+08:00 |
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現在洪申翰部長說要開放一千名印度移工來臺，網路上的風向就在講，這是藍、白要求行政院開放，你不覺得很荒謬嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-04-14T15:23:34.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-04-14T15:23:35.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
MOU送到…… |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-04-14T15:23:34.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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2026-04-14T15:23:55.605000+08:00 |
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如果你已經講是同樣一個標準跟大前提的話，惠臺十大政策是中華民國政府要去努力的，我們只能給建議，或是說我們只能看你們怎麼做；但另外一方面，中華民國政府跟印度溝通並簽訂MOU開放印度移工，卻又變成是在野黨的責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-04-14T15:23:57.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-04-14T15:24:02.357000+08:00 |
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MOU送到大院來審查的時候，確實各黨委員都有表示過各種贊成的意見…… |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:02.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:24:03.357000+08:00 |
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我現在只想確認一下，目前國民黨黨團提出如果現在國人有疑慮，那就不應該開放，請問行政院的態度是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0.022 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:02.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-04-14T15:24:03.718000+08:00 |
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我們現在有兩個前提，一個是產業端是不是有這樣的需求…… |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:03.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-04-14T15:24:04.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
不用再重複洪申翰部長的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:04.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-04-14T15:24:05.718000+08:00 |
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不是重複洪申翰…… |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:03.878000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:24:05.540000+08:00 |
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我現在只是問行政院院長的態度，能不能停止、能不能現在先不開放？ |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:05.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-04-14T15:24:25.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
目前沒有開放的時間表和數量。 |
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0.231 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:25.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-04-14T15:24:32.317000+08:00 |
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所以能夠不開放，直到我們認為達成我們的配套並讓國人安心，才能進行下一步，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:32.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-04-14T15:24:37.517429+08:00 |
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產業端有需求，對方也能夠符合我們的要求，才能夠談到開放，目前沒有開放的時間表或是數量的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0.19 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:37.517429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:24:42.717857+08:00 |
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好，這就代表自始至終都是行政院在主導，而不是藍白、在野黨的要求。 |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:42.717857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-04-14T15:24:47.918286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
不用再帶風向，我想身為一個執政黨，最重要是要有擔當、有肩膀，做出來的政策、做出來的決策就要受全國國人的檢視。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:47.918286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-04-14T15:24:53.118714+08:00 |
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在立法院開過的會議，大家都知道，我們要共同承擔這樣的責任，好不好？謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.097 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:53.118714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:24:58.319143+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-04-14T15:24:58.319143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-04-14T15:25:03.519571+08:00 |
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所以不要再把球、不要再把每一次的責任…… |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-04-14T15:25:03.519571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-04-14T15:25:08.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
大家都要承擔責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-04-14T15:25:08.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-04-14T15:25:15.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
黑鍋都要立法院背，我們三讀通過的軍人加薪條例、警察人員人事條例不願意副署…… |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0.441 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-04-14T15:25:16.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-04-14T15:25:20.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
我們都要承擔、都要承擔。謝謝。謝謝。 |
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0.071 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-04-14T15:25:20.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-04-14T15:25:23.209143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
謝謝洪委員，謝謝卓院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-04-14T15:25:23.509143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-04-14T15:25:26.652000+08:00 |
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下一位請李彥秀委員質詢。 |
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0 |