| IVOD_ID |
168508 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168508 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第6次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第6次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-14T14:31:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-14T15:02:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/226eb22ddfd9792ffe96d2aac1180274ec314df46cb6092325b10b4e100d6073023078813c0ffac65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:31:26 - 15:02:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第6次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，針對第11屆第4會期第2次會議報告事項第29案行政院函請審議「115年度中央政府總預算案（含附屬單位預算及綜計表－營業及非營業部分）」院會所作之決定提出復議。是否有當？請公決案等4案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（4月14日下午）三、4月10日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席有請行政院卓院長請卓院長備選卓院長好 |
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我们都晓得在面对这个诡局难测的动态国际变局中实际上每一天对每一个国家的国家安全都是一项挑战那么特别是在这个美以跟这个伊朗啊发生这个不较战争的重大军事冲突以来产生对国际能源金融供应链 |
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甚至是糧食都引起了很大的衝擊我想在這種情況下我們的政府團隊面對這個挑戰是一個很大的壓力大家也很辛苦了我這邊特別把國際的局勢做一個圖像的分解 |
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因為目前的資訊的資訊量暴漲我們往往在諮詢過程中看到一個現象就是我們政府官員有些很辛苦要用十幾頁的報告來寫一個現象那麼建議往後將來AI的技術導入以後他可以把這個情況做decompose破解所以你看這個圖上實際上我們講到的通常我們在政治上面都喜歡講這是地緣政治的問題 |
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其實地緣政治地緣戰略地緣經濟啊他是糾結在一起的您看右邊這個圖像上面他是糾結在一起的 |
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那實際上呢都是談到國家利益合縱連橫雙軌雙標那戰略上呢是軍事佈局威澤嚇阻那他維護利益那利益的源頭呢是市場經濟貿易源頭產業鏈路所以現在都已經在用這個AI的技術啊在做整合而不是啊用AI單純的是寫報告那希望呢用結構性的圖像啊產生進去 |
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各位看到在这个里面啊就说这个美国跟中国大陆他们两边的对话那么在下个月的五月十四十五要见面了那么会不会把这个伊朗的这个战场的问题啊如何善后收摊变成美中啊一个折中妥协谈判的一个筹码桥梁我们大家都在持续关注那这个议题里面显示出来的就是说 |
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每一个国家他自己的核心利益他的价值观他有个底线这个就是我一直建议我们政府在任内把我们官方版的国安战略可以出版一下这个跟要不要立法没有关系因为我们现在看到的都是去年11月 |
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美国这个发布的国家安全战略那么提台湾提了八次接着呢就是他的国防战略那么国安战略33页他的字很小内容非常多国防战略34页那么他的内容啊也是相当的多那我们看到现在 |
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实际上他的这个几个战略的指导从国家安全战略下面国防战略到军事战略 |
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那後面還會產生他的情報戰略還有印太戰略我們真正的關鍵在印太戰略出版以後可以看到美國對我們的定位這個圖上是2019年川普第一任時候的印太戰略他這個中間就講到了讓台灣有能力建立這個具有嚇阻性的國防戰略他是戰略那再加上能力這個能力才是我們所謂的 |
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不對稱戰力的武器裝備那麼同時呢要能夠產生的嚇阻力是什麼呢就是不被對方的威懾社會的任性那最後還有一個保持啊與啊對岸啊溝通的自主權利這是美方啊的建議那他這個國防戰略跟國安戰略他有四個P |
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第一个是说国防力量是永远做应对做准备第二个他的外交手法是要防止发生第三个是他追求他的市场那么第四个是他保护他的产业利益跟他的法规这四个纠结在一起现在变成在美国的国务院 |
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战争部以前叫国安部国会CIA他都成立了中国的特别小组那因为他们是能够横向沟通分享情资所以他们的资讯流啊是非常快那这个部分呢我们建议啊就是我们内部的强化这个共享这个资源对对岸发展或者两岸情势国际情势发展能够啊及时分享这个资讯而不要到了到国安会开会的时候在各自提报告 |
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這個是做出一個建議下面一張圖啊我們可以看到就是說因為他前面美方講了這個就是我們講特別條例啊因為感謝明天下午這個韓院長要召集我們要做一個政黨協商希望能夠得到一個共識這個下面講的話就是當前呢因為我們兩岸的實力跟戰力 |
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是不对称那如果纯粹只是用武器装备讲不对称的战力要改战力的不对称的结果是比较困难的因此我们要建立一个不对称的战略思维那这个不对称的战略思维可能要我们建议国防部把四年期国防总检讨改版改成跟美方一样的国防战略 |
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美国在2017年就把QDR取消了那么他现在四年一个版本叫做美国的国防战略下面就是军事战略还有印太战略如果用这个方法来那我们就是因为有一个不对称的战略思维在整个作战构想下整理的情况下整合的运用不对称的战术 |
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那我們買的這些不對稱的武器才能發揮如果單獨用武器的品項就量就值跟操作的人我們是沒有辦法去抵消那個戰力的不對稱 |
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這張圖可能要請這個我們外交部跟國安部兩位首長看一下就是說在美國重要的這個國安決策過程甚至是軍售過程中間他的流露那在這個裡面就是說我們駐美的這個代表處軍事代表團還有我們國防部這個戰規師聯二 |
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跟美方啊都能夠保持一個溝通但是我們溝通到的作業層級啊能夠到達什麼部分我先請教一下外交部我們在這個跟美方啊在國務院溝通的層級在這個上面您看一下可以到這個 |
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助理部長、副部長或者是我們所謂的次長層級其實我們跟美國國務院各個層級都保持良好的溝通當然因為分工都不同我們日常的接觸當然是DAS |
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那麼但是說其實我們在這個Undersecretary或者是在這個Assistance Secretary到這個Undersecretary都有蠻好的一個溝通像我們的各項的台美的這個合作的計畫大概都是由各個層級一起來負責的所以我們現在互動的一個層級可以說起來算是相當不錯那麼這個整個來說的話在整個外交人員的努力之下我們像 |
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我們現在接觸的成績也都比以前來得高然後他們對我們也相當的開放是 那請教一下國防部在聯二秦次市跟戰規司跟美方對口的單位除了平常我們跟AIT甚至透過這個視訊也可以跟這個美國這個安和局啊做對話以外還有沒有其他的溝通 部長您這邊有沒有看法我想第一個 |
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委員問到的這個戰規師等等的這個層級,我想主要的對口就是美國戰爭部的安和局,這個你很清楚那以上的這個層次當然就是部裡面的跟他們對話,那我想這個部分容我保留一點 |
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這個空間當然有些地方不見得是在辦公室見面可能在某些智庫或某些場合大家可以做溝通另外就是參加一些產業會議國防的智庫我想這個都是可以溝通的 |
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這個我們希望能夠持續努力同時我們也期許我們駐美軍事代表團跟TACO中間的合作他是一個團隊那軍事代表團因為他是擁有這個進出五角大廈的這個自由的溝通見面他可以代表我們轉達長官的政策指導那麼也可以及時回饋我們這個在 |
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整個國防部的這個支持之下我們美團跟這個美術的這個溝通非常的順暢然後我們很多的時候也一起去這個拜訪那麼我們的這個一些決策的官員我覺得這個的合作我覺得在現在來說的話是非常的良好謝謝這張圖啊顯示的是我們這個就是說國防啊採購要建立軍售量能啊 |
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從國內的作業流程再把美國的作業流程整合起來你上安和局的官網他有美國的整個作業流程都有英文的都有因為這個流程非常複雜在 |
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一般的委員會質詢的時候並不是執政或在野的委員因為有過這個工作經驗會了解這個所以他在中間取一個片段那對我們的長官在當時來講是很難回答那麼我建議這個流程未來國防部跟外交部了解以後可以持續做滾動修正 |
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那在这种状况下将来在做沟通的时候可以讲到我现在卡在哪个位置我如何去进一步沟通提升沟通的对象能够做出一个回路的结果我想这个对于我们未来在做决策过程或者在立法院的质询讨论过程中间这是个比较方便的因为用图像的流程远比用一个文字叙述并不是每个人的专业背景 |
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跟他的工作經驗是有相同的一個水平因此在問問題的時候可能對我們的長官回應上你會一下子問一個很高的題目一下問一個很細的題目我想這個部分我想院長您這邊是不是同意這種看法 |
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是的,我覺得一方面是我們在跟美方日益密切的各種關係上建立起來的互相信賴那從這一次在我們國會的程序我們還在進行非常感謝韓院長即將召開這個協商讓我們的軍購可以上前走一步 |
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那也很感謝的是我們欣慰看到美方在我們這個發酵之後的最後的期限當中他也給我們展演了這也是基於雙方的了解信任跟合作所以無論是成績怎麼樣我想達到最後這個效果也是國防部長年努力的成果這個地方請委員還要多多的指教 |
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这一次我们国防部正在进行的汉光演习目前是所谓的用JTLS这是美国太平洋司令部用的一个跨战区的一个模拟的版本在推目前版本已经进步到6.4但是因为美方的更新非常快 |
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這個過去是所謂戰區的作戰的形式但是他並沒有討論到戰略的戰略的問題也就是這一次我們行政院已經把這個所謂的社會任性很多的 |
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電力 能源 戰商都已經納入了這個冰推的探討但這個探討的過程中啊跟這個JTLS本身的這個軟體架構並沒有結合還是做人作介面那這個後面美方當然已經軟體現在把原先沒有無人機的功能現在也整合進去了現在我們這次看到這個 |
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美以跟伊朗戰爭這個經驗跟前次烏克蘭的狀況完全不一樣烏克蘭的戰爭是2022年的2月24號俄國侵略烏克蘭那麼在前面的八個月的戰爭中間打的都是軍事目標中間有三次要外國的介入談判雙方沒有達標沒有談出來但是烏克蘭在這中間犯了一個錯誤 |
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很多的任务啊执行成功了不要张扬他们在2022年的10月8号把克里米亚大桥炸毁了接着就国内全部宣传广告是庆祝普京生日这个动作让普京啊整个的抱负反映到什么把医院学校周遭的电网从这那个以后 |
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电网就变成了一个摧毁的主要目标接着2023年的10月7号这个以色列为了报复哈马斯那么在加萨走廊的冲突也是把所有的电网摧毁掉了那这一次伊朗回复反映以色列攻击也是打他的电网 |
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因为很多我们在战役中间看到成功的案例未必在台湾可以有效的复制但是他们付出惨痛的经验这种教训我们不需要付第二次的成本我举例来讲乌克兰的面积是台湾的16.7倍 |
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那麼現在光烏東啊頓瑞斯克盧甘斯克不算克里米亞它的範圍就是兩個台灣那我們的電網啊是非常的集中那這個伊朗的面積呢又是台灣的45倍那就更大了所以電網啊是我們啊後面一個最主要的所以在兵推的過程中間啊我們希望能夠模擬在甚至在 |
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超演過程中斷電這個超演怎麼做 |
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因为我们现在虽然是讲去中心化因为像福源大的国家他可以去中心化因为距离太远他用网路那我们是很集中集中是什么并不是说指挥所的能力不下线可以下售但是你的战备出游你没有办法及时下售所以我们建议啊可以用修改消防安全法让我们的国军作战单位像这个医院啊什么 |
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他的量增加这个是修法就可以了这样子你的潜在能力就提升了那这个因为台湾就是网络过度的集中那么仰赖人员所以应急的时候我们国军野战部队跟其他的海空军他们自己的指挥所他的发电都有紧急发电机 |
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但是呢除油量受限法規其實這個可以增加那麼甚至我們建議未來在這個所謂內政部允許高樓像這種超高大樓每個社區如果你樓高超過25層地下到第6層應該允許 |
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模仿以色列的地下六層就變成出油出水以及醫療儲存的這個能量那麼上個禮拜我們在質詢這個退伏會時候退伏會主委也非常重視我們對於戰傷的急救依舊那因為斷電以後第一個就是冷鏈 |
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就是血浆麻醉药这转季完全要靠医院的支持的能力所以这个地方我们不只看到假设冲突发生我们有一个社会的坚强韧性最主要就是藏山的急救医疗体系不崩盘水电不缺那这个时候士气就可以维持那么从这个图来看到我们右边几乎都是我们的发电的电网 |
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太密集了所以说跟这个乌克兰呢乌克兰的面积是16.7可是在台湾呢人均年度耗电量我们是他的3.4倍何况他还有三个核电厂所以这个将来我们如何在强化这个配电厂高压输配站的安全 |
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这个是需要强化的目前呢我们有三个核心的大这个苏培站那17个高压电塔那平常都是用铁栏杆铁丝围的但是因为上面没有这个涵盖掩护目前只有台北大安区一个是地下化我们希望将来这个部分啊导入先进的科技啊能够强化我们的这个系统那谈到了这个 |
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兵推的過程它不是單一的戰損交換因為結合這個社會的韌性所以我們的網路的安全醫療體系銀行系統廣播系統通訊媒體公共安全這些東西通通要納入兵推當然初步的是用這個對話室大家把問題找出來 |
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未来发展在AI来讲它是一个辅助工具很快就带入这次我看到也报道我们的这个兵推的过程有反向反持续做推这个都在进步的过程中间那最主要就是我们看到右边的这个未来的推演它已经用AI的可以导入它会推成很多的层级从勤奸争同这个共同图像开源金融体系到第二个层级就筛选资料 |
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第三个层级就是多样的场景最后做出分析以及对政策的建言而不是推演完了开了检讨会那么写一份报告因为目前每年的报告都在持续更新可是跟前一年的有没有做比对AI可以协助所以这个方法论导进去就是说AI可能将来是支持国安战略的一个重要的条件那么 |
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要做一個整體的AI整合要中央政府有那麼並不是每一個單位是獨立的AI使用者那要在這個環節納入我們的系統裡面 |
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這個就是我們這個網路啊這個所有的安全架構所以電網啊是最優先那麼還有LNG的供應啊醫療體系啦這個廣播系統啦衛星通訊啦海嵐通訊啦各軍種的指揮所 |
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甚至到我們公共媒體的傳播不要被誤導因為現在假訊息太多一定要維持政府有效的幾個傳播點不能大家上網去看那就被誤導誤判了所以在這種整合的情況下我們發現我們不只要做一個我們的台灣之盾那麼台灣之盾跟戲盾 |
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在这个内外整合上面要相互支撑互相支持而不是纯粹用硬体上买我有三个层级的防空可是网站一断如果这些高科技产所的这个AI的运算力或者制程输掉了那台湾就输掉当然这个细钝如果坏掉了对所有的国家都是输家因为他们所有的先进科技都指望我们这个台积电能够提供一个 |
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各位看中間那個土紅色沿著海灘這個是內政部是經濟部水利署和川局做的那個紅色並不代表紅色海灘過去是海灘他這個是顯示什麼就是嚴重的侵蝕就說過去海灘有一定的深度100公尺200公尺現在受到這個氣候變遷 |
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海水上升海滩受到侵蚀所以它足了很多海堤海墙再加上基础公共设施还有一些渔塘所以沿着台湾西海岸再加上离岸风机事实上现在我们真正适合两溪登陆的海滩非常有限 |
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那么因为我们陆战队每年只有在南部的海滩做一次做两次可是也没有推演出去因为路上不连所以在这种情况下我们在兵推模拟的时候可以审慎的当然具体这个在海峡中线持之保持我们的社会韧性海滩的防卫它的重要性是不会降低但是对方能够正规两栖的登陆的海滩确实是非常有限的 |
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左边这个图啊各位看一下这是1895年了当年日本出的图他叫明治28年了增台的效益图如果当年的海滩我们今天还在用就表示这130年气候没变前了所以可以告诉我们每每个海滩呢都可以用位照用图形做比对去看看海滩深度连外道路那我们防御的重点做一个重新的检视这个提出一个建议 |
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这次以色列跟美国对伊朗的战争的冲突现在变成一个双方三方骑虎难下的情势因为全世界20%的能源都经过荷木兹海峡每天是2000万桶 |
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但是全世界也有20%的貨櫃經過台灣海峽從這個裡面可以看到每個國家對中東出口都很重要那麼今天這個狀況下今天早上就是美方的13號10點鐘宣布它封鎖在外面封鎖那麼很多的油價又漲價了金融風險又提高了我們現在國內外大家都在密切的觀察 |
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因為我們的能源佔比用LNG發電佔比比較高儲存量也不夠這個部分將來如果有其他的新的核能或其他的方法取代可能建議在LNG的佔比上略為調降利用恢復核二核三或者是其他的方式去填補一下因為我們希望我們的備援能力在夏天還是能夠維持10%以上 |
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這張圖是透過了四成五成這是今天中午一點鐘用三個不同軟體把在所有荷姆茲海峽的商船圓圈的符號代表全部是下茅的這個尖的符號代表它的航向航速少數的船還在進出那美國雖然說是他在這個 |
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海峡的外面他要做另外一道的封锁其实他的军舰并不是执法船除非他用这些直升机带特战人员在这些超级游轮能够船上降落一般来讲你放小艇去那个悬高超级游轮15公尺20公尺根本上不去所以你想上船做零件要执法是非常困难的 |
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那麼因為軟體我們可以看到每一條船但這裡面很多船啊他都把他的AS信號關掉那麼我們並不能夠了解那這張圖像看到的就是 |
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那么伊朗也提出另外一个威胁就是说如果你让我出不来我的整个国家的金融垮掉我就把你整个经过荷姆斯海峡的海岸切断这个时候对中东对甚至对欧陆的国家那整个的金融就崩盘就等于说我们现在对外有14个海岸那么如果 |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
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有一半斷掉了你靠低軌衛星的頻道是不夠的所以這幾年我們還強化跟其他的友好國家在開拓衛星低軌衛星的通訊頻道那現在美國比較關心的就是因為他在中央指揮部跟這個第五艦隊啊不管是在巴林或者是這個所謂這個中央指揮部他的對外很多是靠海瀾所以目前我們看到的態勢是一個僵局 |
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这个就是全球啊能源百分比啊走荷姆兹出来是2000万桶那经过南海啊台海啊这个比例啊那么我们每天是50万桶 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1589.434 |
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但是呢貨櫃通過台海的我們佔全世界的百分之到20到25這個原因是因為中國大陸的陽山港他是全世界最大貨櫃碼頭他一個港口比美國全美的貨櫃啊累積還多但是陽山港如果中斷他的一帶一路啊他就失敗了所以這個結果產生的就是讓我們發現了 |
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你看航运的密度非常的大所以如果台海发生冲突了没有赢家也就是说日本韩国包括中国大陆虽然灰色的地带的威者恐吓是一种心理战消耗战但是我不认为他敢让这个地方起一个重大冲突因为他自己的金融发展一带一路不能受到影响 |
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這張圖就是一個常常我向國防部的長官提出來我們的視野不能只侷限在防空識別區所以周遭鄰近國家對中共揮射威懾武嚇甚至他的飛機看起來是環繞台灣周遭可能穿越了日本的部分的水域那這個時候人家的反應我們可以做交叉比對或是做資訊交換 |
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這個是比較大圖看東海防空識別區跟中共宣佈的限制空中任務通告我們再把上海飛航情報區不是防空識別區因為它在國際民航組織它的航線都公佈了所以把航線標上去這是我們今天公佈的因為昨天他們沒有 |
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飞机越中线那这是今天公布是昨天图再看今天中午的民航机你又发现它这是一种心理战其实那个区划出来跟它的国际航线从上海出去都没有影响这张图表是根据就是美国跟伊朗那么这个军事冲突啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
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他對國際上產生的衝擊影響那麼有關國內政事還有些軍事力量還有些經濟民生國際的這個他的信譽啊那麼到底 |
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产生什么样从美国面来看从大陆面来看从我们在台湾的角色来看各有立场不同但是这种如果你把它综合将来汇整起来可能可以变成一个跨部会讨论的一个依据最后的一个简短的结论就是国际动态的环境对国家安全都是挑战那么国家安全战略是确保国家安全跟我们的核心利益 |
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我們講的任務方法手段就像左邊的這個在政治方面正通人和避免戰爭在外交方面實質互助資源防衛力量經濟方面要堅韌社會堅韌軍事力量攻守強固下面四個通通是社會的韌性我今天問到這邊如果有時間這個院長您回答幾句 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1801.598 |
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1830.789 |
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好謝謝我非常敬重陳委員每次跟您在這裡對話都讓我很有壓力也沒有壓力壓力是你提供的資訊非常豐富這種科技感AI導入的系統讓我們覺得我們應該學習那沒有壓力的是像剛剛你就不會要部長去講出他不適宜在這個公開場合講的話所以我們對話會非常的健康我也期待未來我們在委員您的支持底下建立台灣之盾形成高科技的擊殺鏈以及形成我們自主 |
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好 謝謝 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:31:36.692000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:31:38.895000+08:00 |
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主席，有請行政院卓院長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-14T14:31:38.895000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:31:39.796000+08:00 |
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請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-14T14:31:39.796000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T14:31:40.796000+08:00 |
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陳委員好。 |
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0 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:31:39.796000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:31:40.057000+08:00 |
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卓院長好。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:31:54.806000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:32:05.972000+08:00 |
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我們都曉得，在面對詭譎難測的動態國際變局中，實際上每一天對每一個國家的國家安全都是一項挑戰……是。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:32:07.493000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:32:25.216000+08:00 |
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特別是在美以跟伊朗發生這個不叫戰爭的重大軍事衝突以來，對國際能源、金融供應鏈甚至是糧食，都產生很大的衝擊。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:32:25.216000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:32:31.442000+08:00 |
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我想在這種情況下，我們政府團隊面對這個挑戰是一個很大的壓力，大家也很辛苦。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:32:32.062000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:32:55.436000+08:00 |
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我這邊特別把國際的局勢做一個圖像的分解，因為目前資訊量暴漲，我們往往在質詢過程中看到一個現象，就是我們政府官員有些很辛苦，要用十幾頁的報告來寫一個現象，建議將來AI技術導入以後，可以把這個情況做decompose、破解。 |
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0.99 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:32:56.196000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:33:09.083000+08:00 |
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你看這個圖上，實際上我們講到的，通常我們在政治上面都喜歡講這是地緣政治的問題，其實地緣政治、地緣戰略、地緣經濟，它是糾結在一起的。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:33:09.483000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:33:31.004000+08:00 |
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您看右邊這個圖像上面，它是糾結在一起的，實際上都是談到國家利益、合縱連橫、雙軌雙標；戰略上是軍事布局、威懾嚇阻、維護利益；那利益的源頭是市場經濟、貿易源頭、產業鏈路。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:33:31.544000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:33:42.726000+08:00 |
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所以現在都已經在用AI的技術在做整合，而不是單純的用AI寫報告，希望用結構性的圖像產生進去。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:33:43.694000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:34:05.569000+08:00 |
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各位看到在這個裡面，就是說美國跟中國大陸他們兩邊的對話，預計在下個月的5月14、15日要見面，那麼會不會把伊朗戰場的問題如何善後收攤，變成美中折衷妥協談判的一個籌碼橋樑，我們大家都在持續關注。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:34:07.090000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:34:21.449000+08:00 |
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這個議題裡面顯示出來的就是，每一個國家有他自己的核心利益、他的價值觀，他有個底線，這個就是我一直建議我們政府在任內把我們官方版的國安戰略可以出版一下。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:34:22.350000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:34:34.861000+08:00 |
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這個跟要不要立法沒有關係，因為我們現在看到的都是去年11月美國發布的國家安全戰略，當中提臺灣提了8次，接著就是美國的國防戰略。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:34:36.502000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:34:44.968000+08:00 |
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美國國安戰略共33頁，它的字很小，內容非常多；國防戰略34頁，其中的內容也是相當的多。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:34:45.889000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:35:09.025000+08:00 |
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那我們看到現在，實際上他的幾個戰略指導，從國家安全戰略，下面國防戰略到軍事戰略，後面還會產生它的情報戰略，還有印太戰略，我們真正的關鍵在印太戰略出版以後，可以看到美國對我們的定位。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:35:10.245000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:35:30.777000+08:00 |
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這張圖是2019年川普第一任的時候的印太戰略，這個中間就有講到，讓臺灣有能力建立具有嚇阻性的國防戰略，它是戰略再加上能力，這個能力才是我們所謂的不對稱戰力的武器裝備。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:35:31.017000+08:00 |
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同時，要能夠產生的嚇阻力是什麼呢？ |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:35:35.461000+08:00 |
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就是不被對方威懾、社會的韌性，最後還有一個是保持與對岸溝通的自主權利，這是美方的建議。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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這個國防戰略跟國安戰略有4個P，第一個是國防力量是永遠做應對、做準備；第二個，它的外交手法是要防止發生；第三個是追求它的市場；第四個是保護它的產業利益跟法規。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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這四個糾結在一起，現在變成在美國的國務院、戰爭部（以前叫做國防部）、國會、CIA都成立了中國的特別小組，因為他們是能夠橫向溝通、分享情資，所以他們的資訊流是非常快。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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這個部分我們的建議是，我們內部強化共享資源，對對岸發展或者兩岸情勢、國際情勢發展，能夠即時分享這個資訊，而不要到國安會開會的時候再各自提報告，這個是我們做出的一個建議。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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下面一張圖我們可以看到，因為前面美方講了，這個就是我們講的特別條例，感謝明天下午韓院長要召集協商，我們要做一個政黨協商，希望能夠得到一個共識。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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這個下面講的話就是，當前因為我們兩岸的實力跟戰力是不對稱，如果純粹只是用武器裝備講不對稱的戰力，要改戰力的不對稱的結果是比較困難的，因此我們要建立一個不對稱的戰略思維，而這個不對稱的戰略思維，我們建議國防部把四年期國防總檢討改版，改成跟美方一樣的國防戰略，美國在2017年就把QDR取消了，它現在是四年一個版本，叫做美國的國防戰略，下面就是軍事戰略，還有印太戰略。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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如果用這個方法來做，我們就是因為有一個不對稱的戰略思維，在整個作戰構想下、整理的情況下，整合的運用不對稱的戰術，那我們買的這些不對稱的武器才能發揮，如果單獨用武器的品項，就量、就質跟操作的人，我們是沒有辦法去抵銷那個戰力的不對稱。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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再來這張圖可能要請我們外交部跟國防部兩位首長看一下，就是在美國重要的國安決策過程，甚至是軍售過程中間的流路。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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在這裡面，我們駐美的代表處、軍事代表團，還有我們國防部戰規司、聯二，跟美方都能夠保持一個溝通，但是我們溝通到的作業層級能夠到達什麼部分？ |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:39:03.485000+08:00 |
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我先請教一下外交部，我們在TECRO跟美方在國務院溝通的層級，在這個上面，您看一下可以到助理部長、副部長或者是我們所謂的次長層級？ |
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陳次長明祺 |
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2026-04-14T14:39:03.485000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:39:31.481000+08:00 |
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其實我們跟美國國務院各個層級都保持良好的溝通，當然因為分工的不同，我們最常的、日常的接觸當然是DAS，即Deputy Assistant Secretary，但是其實我們在Under Secretary或者是在Assistant Secretary到Under Secretary都有滿好的一個溝通，像我們各項臺美的合作計畫，大概都是由各個層級一起來負責的。 |
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陳次長明祺 |
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2026-04-14T14:39:32.221000+08:00 |
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我們現在互動的一個層級可以說起來算是相當不錯，整個來說的話，在整個外交人員的努力之下，我們現在接觸的層級也都比以前來得高，然後他們對我們也相當的開放。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:39:49.355000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:40:04.146000+08:00 |
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請教一下，國防部在聯二情次室、戰規司跟美方對口的單位，除了平常我們跟AIT，甚至透過視訊也可以跟美國安合局對話以外，還有沒有其他的溝通？ |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:40:04.386000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:40:06.388000+08:00 |
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部長，您這邊有什麼看法？ |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2026-04-14T14:40:08.509000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:40:30.450000+08:00 |
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第一個，委員問到戰規司等等的層級，我想主要對口就是美國戰爭部的安合局，這個您清楚，以上這個層次當然就是部裡面跟他們對話，但這個部分容我保留一點空間。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:40:30.450000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:40:30.450000+08:00 |
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是，當然！ |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:40:30.611000+08:00 |
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有些地方不見得是在辦公室見面，可能在某些智庫或某些場合，大家可以溝通，另外就是參加一些產業會議、國防智庫，我想這個都是可以溝通的，這個我們希望能夠持續努力，同時我們也期許我們駐美軍事代表團跟TECRO的合作，它是一個團隊，軍事代表團是擁有進出五角大廈的自由，可以溝通、見面。是。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:41:00.128000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:41:05.309000+08:00 |
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他們可以代表我們轉達長官的政策指導，也可以即時回饋。 |
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陳次長明祺 |
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2026-04-14T14:41:05.970000+08:00 |
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在整個國防部的支持之下，我們美團跟美處的溝通非常順暢，很多時候我們也一起去拜訪，一些決策官員的合作，我覺得在現在來說是非常的良好。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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這張圖顯示的是我們國防採購要建立軍售量能，從國內的作業流程，再把美國的作業流程整合起來。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:42:10.242000+08:00 |
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上安合局的官網有美國整個作業流程，英文的都有，因為這個流程非常複雜，在一般委員會質詢的時候，執政或在野的委員因為沒有相關工作經驗而能夠有所了解，所以只在中間取一個片段，對我們的長官在當時來講是很難回答的，我建議針對這個流程，未來國防部跟外交部了解以後可以持續滾動修正。是。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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在這種狀況下，將來在溝通的時候就可以講到現在是卡在哪個位置、要如何進一步溝通、提升溝通的對象，能夠做出一個迴路的結果，我想這個對我們未來在做決策的過程或者是在立法院質詢討論的過程中間比較方便，因為用圖像的流程遠比用文字敘述……並不是每個人的專業背景跟他的工作經驗有相同的水平。是。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:42:41.976000+08:00 |
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因此在問問題的時候，可能對我們的長官回應上會一下子問一個很高的題目，一下問一個很細的題目，對於這個部分，院長這邊是不是同意這種看法？是的。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-14T14:42:55.106000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:43:12.931000+08:00 |
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我覺得一方面是我們在跟美方日益密切的各種關係上建立起來的互相信賴，從這一次在我們國會的程序還在進行，非常感謝韓院長即將召開協商，讓我們的軍購可以向前走一步。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-14T14:43:13.751000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:43:27.115000+08:00 |
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也很感謝的是，我們欣慰看到美方在發價書的最後期限當中也給我們展延了，這也是基於雙方的了解、信任跟合作。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-14T14:43:27.715000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:43:35.998000+08:00 |
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所以無論是層級怎麼樣，我想達到最後這個效果，也是國防部長年努力的成果，這個地方請委員還要多多的指教。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:43:38.294000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:44:10.837000+08:00 |
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這一次我們國防部正在進行的漢光演習，目前是用JTLS，這是美國太平洋司令部用的一個跨戰區模擬版本，目前版本已經進步到6.4，但是因為美方的更新非常快，這個過去是所謂戰區作戰的形式，但是它並沒有考慮到戰略的問題。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:44:10.837000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:44:39.337000+08:00 |
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也就是這一次我們行政院已經把社會韌性，包括很多電力、能源、戰傷都已經納入兵推的探討，但這個探討的過程中跟JTLS本身的軟體架構並沒有結合，還是用人作介面，美方當然已經在軟體上……原先沒有無人機的功能，現在也整合進去了。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:44:40.878000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:44:52.358000+08:00 |
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我們這次看到美以跟伊朗戰爭的經驗，跟前次烏克蘭的狀況完全不一樣了！ |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:45:41.930000+08:00 |
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烏克蘭的戰爭是2022年2月24日俄國侵略烏克蘭，在前面8個月的戰爭中間打的都是軍事目標，中間有三次要外國介入談判，雙方沒有達標，沒有談出來，但是烏克蘭在這中間犯了一個錯誤，很多的任務執行成功了不要張揚，他們在2022年的10月8號把克里米亞大橋炸毀了，接著就國內全部宣傳廣告是慶祝普京生日，這個動作讓普京整個的報復反應到把醫院、學校周遭的電網……從此以後電網就變成了摧毀的主要目標。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:45:42.851000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:46:02.044000+08:00 |
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接著2023年的10月7號，以色列為了報復哈瑪斯在加薩走廊的衝突，也是把所有的電網摧毀掉，這一次伊朗反應以色列攻擊也是打它的電網。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:46:04.388000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:46:16.822000+08:00 |
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我們在戰役中間看到很多成功的案例，在臺灣未必可以有效的複製，但是他們付出慘痛的經驗，這種教訓我們不需要付第二次的成本。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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我舉例來講，烏克蘭的面積是臺灣的16.7倍，現在光是烏東的頓內茨克、盧甘斯克，不算克里米亞的範圍就是兩個臺灣，我們的電網非常的集中，伊朗的面積更大，是臺灣的45倍，所以電網是我們後面最主要的設施。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:46:49.321000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:46:59.448000+08:00 |
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所以在兵推的過程中間，我們希望能夠模擬甚至在操演過程中斷電，這個操演怎麼做？ |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:47:01.250000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:47:33.741000+08:00 |
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我們現在雖然是講去中心化，像幅員大的國家可以去中心化，因為距離太遠，它用網路，我們是很集中，集中並不是說指揮所的能力不下線、可以下授，但是你的戰備儲油沒有辦法及時下授，所以我們建議可以修改消防安全法，讓我們的國軍作戰單位，像醫院的量增加，這是修法就可以了，這樣子你的潛在能力就提升了。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:48:17.920000+08:00 |
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因為臺灣就是網路過度的集中、仰賴人員，所以應急的時候，我們國軍野戰部隊跟其他的海、空軍自己的指揮所都有緊急發電機可發電，但是儲油量受限於法規，其實可以增加，甚至我們建議未來內政部允許高樓像超高大樓，如果是樓高超過25層的社區，地下到第6層應該允許模仿以色列的地下6層就變成儲油、儲水以及醫療儲存的能量。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:48:19.041000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:48:51.809000+08:00 |
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上個禮拜我們在質詢退輔會的時候，退輔會主委也非常重視我們對於戰傷的急救、醫救，因為斷電以後第一個受影響的是冷鏈，就是血漿、麻醉藥這些攢積完全要靠醫院自持的能力，所以我們看到假設衝突發生，我們有一個社會的堅強韌性，最主要就是戰傷的急救、醫療體系不崩盤、水電不缺，這個時候士氣就可以維持。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:48:53.930000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:49:22.878000+08:00 |
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從這個圖看到，右邊幾乎都是我們發電的電網，太密集了，跟烏克蘭相比，烏克蘭的面積是16.7，可是在臺灣人均年度耗電量是它的3.4倍，何況它還有3個核電廠，所以將來我們如何再強化配電廠高壓輸配站的安全，這是需要強化的。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:49:23.318000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:49:45.344000+08:00 |
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目前我們有3個核心的輸配站、17個高壓電塔，那平常都是用鐵欄杆、鐵絲圍的，但是因為上面沒有涵蓋掩護，目前只有一個在臺北大安區是地下化，我們希望能將夠將這部分導入先進的科技強化這個系統。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:49:46.845000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:50:06.951000+08:00 |
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談到了兵推的過程，它不是單一的戰損交換，因為結合社會的韌性，所以我們的網路安全、醫療體系、銀行系統、廣播系統、通訊媒體、公共安全，這些東西統統要納入兵推。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:50:07.612000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:50:11.235000+08:00 |
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當然，初步是用對話方式，大家把問題找出來。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:50:11.876000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:50:15.818000+08:00 |
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未來的發展，以AI來講，它是一個輔助工具，很快就帶入了。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:50:16.239000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:50:24.363000+08:00 |
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這一次我看到有報導我們的兵推過程，有反向、反時序兵推，這個都在進步的過程中。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:50:25.644000+08:00 |
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最主要的是，我們看到簡報的右邊，未來的推演已經可以用AI導入，它會分成很多的層級，從情監偵、共同圖像開源、金融體系，到第二個層級就是篩選資料，第三個層級就是多樣的場景，最後做出分析以及對政策的建言，而不是推演完了開了檢討會再寫一份報告，因為目前每年的報告都在持續更新，可是跟前一年的有沒有做比對，AI可以協助，所以將這個方法論導進去，就是說AI可能將來是支持國安戰略的一個重要條件，所以要做一個整體的AI整合，在中央政府的層級，並不是每一個單位都是獨立的AI使用者，要在這個環節納入到我們的系統裡面。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:51:24.340000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:52:24.310000+08:00 |
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這個簡報就是我們網路的所有安全架構，電網是最優先的，還有LNG的供應、醫療體系、廣播系統、衛星通信、海纜通訊、各軍種的指揮所，甚至到公共媒體的傳播不要被誤導，因為現在假訊息太多，政府一定要維持幾個有效的傳播點，不能讓大家只能上網去看，那就被誤導誤判了，所以在這種整合的情況下，我們發現我們不只要做一個臺灣之盾，臺灣之盾跟矽盾在內外整合上要相互支撐、互相支持，而不是純粹用硬體，說我有三個層級的防空，可是網站一斷，如果這些高科技場所的AI運算力或者製程輸掉了，那臺灣就輸掉了。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:52:24.710000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:52:34.334000+08:00 |
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當然，矽盾如果壞掉了，所有的國家都是輸家，因為他們所有的先進科技都指望我們台積電能夠提供一個…… |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:52:37.564000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:52:51.416000+08:00 |
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各位看簡報中間的圖，這個是經濟部水利署河川局做的，那個紅色區塊並不是代表紅色海灘，它過去是海灘，這個是顯示什麼？ |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:52:51.416000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:53:50.408000+08:00 |
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就是嚴重的侵蝕，過去海灘有一定的深度（100公尺、200公尺），現在受到氣候變遷影響，海水上升，海灘受到侵蝕，所以它築了很多海堤、海牆，再加上基礎公共設施，還有一些魚塘，所以沿著臺灣西海岸，再加上離岸風機，事實上現在我們真正適合兩棲登陸的海灘非常有限，我們陸戰隊每年只有在南部的海灘做一次、兩次推演，可是也沒有推演出去，因為路網不連，所以在這種情況下，我們在兵推模擬的時候可以審慎的……當然在海峽中線遲滯，保持我們的社會韌性，海灘防衛的重要性是不會降低的，但是對方能夠正規兩棲登陸的海灘確實是非常有限的。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:53:53.563000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:54:20.011000+08:00 |
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各位再看一下左邊這張圖，這是1895年日本出的圖，它叫「明治二十八年征臺經過要圖」，如果當年的海灘我們今天還在用，就表示這130年的氣候沒變遷，所以可以告訴我們，每個海灘都可以用衛照、圖形做比對，去看看海灘深度、聯外道路，將我們防禦的重點重新做檢視，這個提出一個建議。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:54:23.706000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:54:50.676000+08:00 |
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這次以色列跟美國對伊朗的戰爭衝突，現在變成三方騎虎難下的情勢，因為全世界20%的能源都要經過荷姆茲海峽，每天約有2,000萬桶石油通過，但是全世界也有20%的貨櫃要經過臺灣海峽。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:54:50.676000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:55:11.331000+08:00 |
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從這裡面可以看到，每個國家對中東出口都很重要，今天這個狀況下，今天早上，就是美方的13號10點鐘宣布，他在外面封鎖，很多的油價又漲價了、金融風險又提高了，現在國內外大家都在密切觀察。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:55:12.835000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:55:38.467000+08:00 |
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因為我們的能源占比，用LNG發電占比較高，儲存量也不夠，這個部分將來如果有其他新的核能或其他的方法取代，可能建議在LNG占比上略為調降，利用恢復核二、核三或者其他的方式填補一下，因為我們希望備援能力在夏天還是能夠維持10%以上。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:55:42.960000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:56:30.424000+08:00 |
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這張圖是套了四層、五層，這是今天中午1點鐘用3個不同軟體，把所有在荷姆茲海峽的商船，圓圈符號代表全部是下錨的、尖符號代表它的航向、航速，少數的船還在進出，美國雖然說在荷姆茲海峽外面他要做另一道封鎖，其實他的軍艦並不是執法船，除非他用直升機帶特戰人員在這些超級油輪的船上能夠降落，一般來講，你放小艇去，那個舷高，超級油輪15公尺、20公尺，根本上不去，所以你想上船臨檢、要執法是非常困難的。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:56:30.964000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:56:40.050000+08:00 |
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那麼從應用軟體我們可以看到每一條船，但這裡面很多船都把它的AIS信號關掉，我們並不能夠了解。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:56:41.451000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:57:00.905000+08:00 |
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而這張圖像看到的就是海纜，伊朗也提出另外一個威脅，就是如果你讓我出不來，我整個國家的金融垮掉，我就把你整個經過荷姆茲海峽的海纜切斷，這個時候對中東，甚至對歐陸的國家，整個金融就崩盤。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:57:01.245000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:57:17.901000+08:00 |
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就等於我們現在對外有14個海纜，如果有一半斷掉了，你靠低軌衛星頻道是不夠的，所以這幾年我們還強化跟其他的友好國家開拓低軌衛星的通訊頻道。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:57:18.822000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:57:37.093000+08:00 |
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現在美國比較關心的就是，因為他在中央指揮部跟第五艦隊，不管是在巴林或者所謂的中央指揮部，其對外很多是靠海纜，所以目前我們看到的態勢是一個僵局。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:57:39.542000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:58:15.680000+08:00 |
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這個就是全球能源百分比，走荷姆茲出來的是2,000萬桶，經過南海、臺海這個比例，我們每天是50萬桶，但是貨櫃通過臺海的，我們占全世界的20%至25%，因為中國大陸的洋山港是全世界最大貨櫃碼頭，它一個港口比美國全美的貨櫃累積的還多，但是洋山港如果中斷，「一帶一路」就失敗了。 |
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陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:58:17.600000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:58:48.674000+08:00 |
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這個結果讓我們發現的就是，你看這個航運密度非常大，所以如果臺海發生衝突了，沒有贏家，也就是日本、韓國，包括中國大陸，雖然灰色地帶的威懾恐嚇是一種心理戰、消耗戰，但是我不認為他敢讓這個地方起一個重大衝突，因為他自己的金融發展「一帶一路」不能受到影響。 |
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0.712 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:58:54.339000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T14:59:19.784000+08:00 |
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這張圖，我常常向國防部長官提出來，我們的視野不能只侷限在防空識別區，所以周遭鄰近國家對於中共的灰色威懾武嚇，甚至他的飛機看起來是環繞臺灣周遭，可能穿越了日本的部分水域，這個時候人家的反應，我們可以做交叉比對或是資訊交換。 |
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0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T14:59:22.524000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:00:02.595000+08:00 |
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這個是比較大的圖，看東海防空識別區，跟中共宣布的限制「空中任務通告」，我們再把上海飛航情報區……不是防空識別區，因為國際民航組織把航線都公布了，所以把航線標上去，這是我們今天公布的，因為昨天他們沒有飛機越中線，這是今天公布的，是昨天的圖，再看今天中午的民航機，你就會發現這是一種心理戰，其實那個區畫出來，跟他們從上海出去的國際航線都沒有影響。 |
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0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T15:00:11.301000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:00:32.856000+08:00 |
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現在出示的這張圖表是根據美國和伊朗軍事衝突對國際上產生的衝擊及影響，有關國內政治、軍事力量、經濟民生、國際信譽，到底產生什麼影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.678 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
陳委員永康 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-14T15:00:34.037000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:00:40.020000+08:00 |
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從美國面來看、從大陸面來看、從臺灣的角色來看，各有不同立場。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.577 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
陳委員永康 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-14T15:00:40.540000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-14T15:00:46.783000+08:00 |
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但是如果你把它綜合，將來彙整起來，可能可以變成一個跨部會討論的依據。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.645 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
陳委員永康 |
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2026-04-14T15:00:53.847000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:01:21.954000+08:00 |
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國際動態環境對國家安全都是挑戰，國家安全戰略的目標是確保國家安全跟核心利益，我們講的任務、方法、手段就像這張圖左邊的部分，在政治方面政通人和、避免戰爭；在外交方面實質互助、支援防衛力量；經濟方面要基建堅韌；軍事力量要攻守強固，下面4個統統是社會的韌性。 |
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0.752 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
陳委員永康 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-14T15:01:22.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-14T15:01:26.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我今天就問到這邊，如果有時間，請院長回答幾句。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-14T15:01:27.598000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-14T15:01:27.978000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-14T15:01:27.978000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-14T15:01:33.840000+08:00 |
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我非常敬重陳委員，每次跟您在這裡對話，都讓我很有壓力、也沒有壓力。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-14T15:01:34.461000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-14T15:01:48.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
有壓力的是您提供的資訊非常豐富，這種科技感、AI導入的系統讓我們覺得我們應該學習；沒有壓力的是像剛剛，你就不會要部長講出他不適宜在這個公開場合講的話，所以我們的對話會非常健康。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-14T15:01:49.246000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:01:56.769000+08:00 |
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我也期待未來我們在委員的支持底下建立臺灣之盾，形成高科技的擊殺鏈，以及形成我們的國防自主工業，我相信這也是委員畢生的期待，我們一起努力。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.619 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
陳委員永康 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-14T15:02:02.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-04-14T15:02:02.961000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-14T15:02:03.461000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-14T15:02:06.318143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
謝謝陳委員，謝謝卓院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-14T15:02:06.618143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:02:20.046714+08:00 |
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沈伯洋委員、高金素梅委員、王定宇委員、林俊憲委員之質詢均以書面提出，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
委員沈伯洋書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-14T15:02:20.346714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-14T15:02:38.918143+08:00 |
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本院委員沈伯洋，針對近期中東局勢緊張恐導致下半年物價節節高升，請國防部精算財政能力，保留伙食費裕度，同時確保伙食運輸暢通以免演變成信任危機。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
委員沈伯洋書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-14T15:02:39.218143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:02:49.218143+08:00 |
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一、近期荷姆茲海峽局勢已影響肥料生產與運輸，恐將持續推高下半年各類食材價格。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
委員沈伯洋書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-14T15:02:49.518143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:03:06.089571+08:00 |
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為保障官兵飲食權益，請國防部(1)編列合理主副食費預算(2)持續追縱物價指數(3)妥慎規劃調度加菜金及獎金(4)確保偏遠與外島防區食材物流通暢。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
委員沈伯洋書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-04-14T15:03:06.389571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-04-14T15:03:18.103857+08:00 |
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二、監院曾指出，國防部2023年因未即時對外澄清說明，致馬防部無肉事件引發輿論訾議，致斲傷國軍形象。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
委員沈伯洋書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-04-14T15:03:18.403857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-04-14T15:03:23.832429+08:00 |
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官兵伙食攸關實體與精神戰力，國軍責無旁貸。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
委員沈伯洋書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-04-14T15:03:24.132429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-04-14T15:03:30.989571+08:00 |
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請國防部(1)確保伙食供應鏈通暢(2)迅速且坦率應對新聞事件。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
委員沈伯洋書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-04-14T15:03:31.289571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-04-14T15:03:35.289571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
三、以上兩點，請於二周內回復意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-04-14T15:03:35.589571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:03:48.446714+08:00 |
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2025年11月25日，賴清德總統宣布，未來八年將投入1.25兆的國防特別預算，打造包括「台灣之盾」在內的先進防衛作戰體系。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-04-14T15:03:48.746714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:03:59.603857+08:00 |
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賴總統還強調，北京當局以2027年完成「武統台灣」為目標，國安團隊將全面應對，全力守護「民主台灣」。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-04-14T15:03:59.903857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:04:16.189571+08:00 |
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賴總統還投書美國的華盛頓郵報，向美國總統川普表達感謝，賴總統說：「國際社會也在川普政府追求『實力帶來和平』的理念下，變得更加安全。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-04-14T15:04:16.489571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-04-14T15:04:26.775286+08:00 |
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一個強大且積極投入國際事務的美國，仍是全球穩定的基石，並能防範潛在衝突於未然。」 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-04-14T15:04:27.075286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-04-14T15:04:38.789571+08:00 |
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後來，行政院就編列了1.25兆的國防特別預算，一個半月之後，中華民國就和美國完成了對等關稅談判。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-04-14T15:04:39.089571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-04-14T15:04:45.946714+08:00 |
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看起來，這就像是美國答應給中華民國15%關稅的附帶條件。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-04-14T15:04:46.246714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-04-14T15:04:52.818143+08:00 |
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然而，中華民國政府給過川普政府的，難道就只有這些嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-04-14T15:04:53.118143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:05:06.832429+08:00 |
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事實上，從蔡英文總統上任以後，在川普第一任政府期間，中華民國政府就已經對美國軍購了11次，前後花了183億3千萬美元。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-04-14T15:05:07.132429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-04-14T15:05:17.132429+08:00 |
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然後，2021年3月，美國的印太司令菲利普．安德森在國會的聽證發言，不久就變成了「2027攻台論」。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-04-14T15:05:17.432429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:05:33.146714+08:00 |
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這個說法，在之後的五年連續被美國軍方或國務院接力炒作，於是民進黨政府繼續對美軍購，繼續營造2027年這個大關節節逼近的緊張感。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-04-14T15:05:33.446714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:05:48.303857+08:00 |
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賴清德總統上台還不到兩年，一口氣就拋出了1.25兆、相當於400億美元的軍購案，好像中國大陸要攻打台灣這件事就快發生了似的。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-04-14T15:05:48.603857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:02.889571+08:00 |
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偏偏，發表2027年攻台劇本的美國政府今年三月改口了，3月18日，美國國家情報總監辦公室發布了《2026年度威脅評估》，否定了這個論點。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-04-14T15:06:03.189571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:10.046714+08:00 |
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這份報告說：「中國大陸沒有2027年攻台計畫，也沒有統一時間表。」 |
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| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-04-14T15:06:10.346714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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但是，美國的一些參眾議員、AIT的谷立言處長卻還是在繼續為那1.25兆的軍購案奔走，這是為什麼？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:22.361000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:30.361000+08:00 |
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是賴清德總統要追隨川普總統去實現那個「實力帶來和平」的理念嗎？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:30.661000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:36.661000+08:00 |
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那，川普總統拿著美國的實力為世界帶來和平了嗎？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:36.961000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:39.532429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
世界變得更安全了嗎？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:39.832429+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:44.403857+08:00 |
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強大的美國，真的是全球穩定的基石嗎？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:44.703857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:49.561000+08:00 |
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川普總統真的防範潛在衝突於未然了嗎？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:06:49.861000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:07:01.861000+08:00 |
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賴清德總統，經歷了這一個多月來美國和以色列攻打伊朗的戰爭之後，你還相信自己先前所說的話嗎？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:07:02.161000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:07:12.161000+08:00 |
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對於這場美國和以色列聯手攻打伊朗的戰爭，中華民國政府是支持還是反對呢？（支持？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:07:12.461000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:07:24.461000+08:00 |
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不談全世界，光是美國3月28號就已經有900萬人上街反戰示威了，中華民國政府是要和美國人民為敵嗎？）（反對？ |
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2026-04-14T15:07:24.761000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:07:30.475286+08:00 |
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民進黨政府和美國不是堅若磐石的盟友嗎？）（中立？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:07:30.775286+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:07:35.918143+08:00 |
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政府不怕陰晴不定的川普事後挾怨報復嗎？） |
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2026-04-14T15:07:36.218143+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:07:53.361000+08:00 |
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美國川普總統向全世界包括賴清德總統在內，示範著什麼叫做「用實力帶來和平」，川普總統用獨一無二的美國實力，先發制人的對伊朗發動了戰爭。 |
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2026-04-14T15:07:53.661000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:04.232429+08:00 |
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這場戰爭有沒有帶來和平還不知道，但是它的開銷，就如你所看到的：每天要花掉十億美元！ |
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2026-04-14T15:08:04.532429+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:10.532429+08:00 |
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//iran-cost-ticker.com/） |
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2026-04-14T15:08:10.832429+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:15.403857+08:00 |
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這場戰爭，持續到今天已經四十六天了…… |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:15.703857+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:29.703857+08:00 |
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在這四十六天當中，川普總統宣布了八次「勝利」，宣稱「打贏伊朗」超過了10次，他還說了六次：伊朗軍隊已經被「徹底摧毀」或「殲滅」。 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:30.003857+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:44.289571+08:00 |
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此外，他還說了四次「地獄」，威脅伊朗如果不投降，他就要「釋放地獄之火」，所有反對他開戰和登陸作戰的將領，全部都將被開除！ |
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2026-04-14T15:08:44.589571+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:45.589571+08:00 |
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結果呢？ |
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2026-04-14T15:08:45.889571+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:08:56.746714+08:00 |
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勝利得的越多，戰爭打的越久，伊朗雖然四面都是地獄之火，但卻還是沒有被殲滅、摧毀和投降！ |
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2026-04-14T15:08:57.046714+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:14.189571+08:00 |
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至於「和平」，川普也曾提到過幾次，這些「和平」、「停火」、「談判」或「結束戰爭」的表述，都是他在一波接一波的攻擊、「要求伊朗無條件投降之後，才答應給予的條件」。 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:14.489571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:24.775286+08:00 |
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所以，賴清德總統讚揚川普總統的那個用「實力帶來和平」的理念，跟和平一點關係都沒有！ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:25.075286+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:43.361000+08:00 |
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川普總統就是要用絕對實力輾壓對手，直到對手無條件投降後，才有接受和平條件的資格，這難道就是賴清德總統編列1.25兆國防特別預算所秉持的理念嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:43.661000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:59.375286+08:00 |
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國防部的智庫國防院在美國以色列攻打伊朗之後，先後發表了幾篇關於這場戰爭的文章，其中有關不對稱作戰的主題，至少就有兩篇。 |
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2026-04-14T15:09:59.675286+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:22.818143+08:00 |
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一篇介紹的是美國的不對稱武器，另外一篇則是在探討「遭美以狂炸16天，伊朗仍能反擊的原因」，特別是後面這一篇文章，特別提到了伊朗「以小博大」的不對稱作戰，就是伊朗被轟炸16天仍然能反擊的原因。 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:23.118143+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:49.118143+08:00 |
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面對這場實力懸殊的戰爭，國防部智庫所看到的是不對稱作戰所謂「以小博大」的攻防戰術，但，卻忽視了身在戰爭中的伊朗人民，在這次的戰爭伊朗傷亡損失最大，這是「以小博大」的不對稱作戰都無法保護和防衛的悲慘結果。 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:49.418143+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:55.989571+08:00 |
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這次戰爭伊朗有超過9萬處民用設施受損或被摧毀，其中： |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:56.289571+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:57.718143+08:00 |
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超過9萬棟。498處。 |
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2026-04-14T15:10:58.018143+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:01.161000+08:00 |
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236至300處，其中包含251個醫療中心。 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:01.461000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:08.603857+08:00 |
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能源設施、住宅區、聯合國教文組織相關的世界遺產等遭波及。 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:08.903857+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:17.475286+08:00 |
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在這場已經超過一個月的戰爭當中，伊朗已經死亡了2,076人，受傷兩萬6,500人。 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:17.775286+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:26.632429+08:00 |
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路透社則報導：伊朗平民死亡1,616人，其中包含了244名兒童，受傷兒童超過了1,621人。 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:26.932429+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:42.075286+08:00 |
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3月6號，德黑蘭時報頭版所刊登的伊朗南部米納卜市一所小學被美軍轟炸身亡的的168名女孩，這張照片是準備安葬她們所挖的墓穴…… |
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2026-04-14T15:11:42.375286+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:52.089571+08:00 |
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這幾天，川普總統已經揚言要派軍隊入侵伊朗，陸戰一打，美國肯定要消耗很多武器。 |
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2026-04-14T15:11:52.389571+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:12:09.246714+08:00 |
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這讓我想起了五年前的俄烏戰爭，當初2022年，俄烏戰爭開打，包括美國在內的許多國家，都源源不斷地向烏克蘭輸送武器，輸送到最後庫存都不夠了。 |
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2026-04-14T15:12:09.546714+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:12:23.832429+08:00 |
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最近，美國的媒體已經為登陸作戰，開始在宣傳「海馬士多管火箭系統」的性能，這項武器，也在政府這次1.25兆的軍購清單之中。 |
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2026-04-14T15:12:24.132429+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:12:30.132429+08:00 |
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眼看美國自己打仗要用，這項軍購，政府還買得到嗎？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-04-14T15:12:30.432429+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:12:36.146714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
還是會和以前一樣，錢付出去以後，東西卻沒見到？ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:12:36.446714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-14T15:12:42.732429+08:00 |
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如果是這樣，我們為什麼還要急著去通過這項軍購呢？ |
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委員高金素梅書面質詢 |
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這場戰爭打到現在，全球的經濟都受到了嚴重的衝擊，中東石油因為戰爭所造成的出口中斷，讓國際油價快速攀升，油價一漲，通貨膨脹，薪資縮水，一般家庭的開銷就會減少，消費不足，經濟眼看就要衰退了，更別提金融市場的震盪。 |
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在這樣的社會氣氛之下，如果政府還忙著向戰爭的發動者美國付錢買武器，人民難道不會覺得被美國剝了兩層皮嗎？ |
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我們為什麼要既負擔美國的戰爭稅，還要付軍購費呢？ |
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為了15%關稅，政府已經答應了美國5000億美元的投資，答應了美國國防預算要在未來四年達到5%，現在又要在未來八年付給美國1.25兆買武器！ |
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眼看著全球經濟情勢越來越嚴重，能源危機就要爆發，政府是不是可以像韓國總統李在明那樣，緊急編列26兆韓元的特別預算，來因應全球能源和經濟危機的衝擊呢？ |
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「師之所處，荊棘生焉。 |
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大軍之後，必有凶年。 |
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」意思是說：軍隊駐紮、征戰過的地方，田地荒蕪。 |
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長滿荊棘。 |
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大戰之後，迎來的必是飢荒瘟疫的災年。 |
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所以說：兵者凶器，戰必傷民。 |
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看看伊朗現在的處境，我們難道不該心存警惕，尋找止戰之道嗎？ |
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二十幾年來，我一貫的立場就是反戰，安居樂業的生活，才是人民最大的幸福。 |
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為了達成這樣的目標，任何有利於彼此的接觸、交往、了解和信任，都是值得嘗試和鼓勵的，政府為什麼不換個方向去化解兩岸間的疑慮呢？ |
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一、本席今日質詢內容及各問題詢問，請回復並提供相關數據等資料。 |
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二、行政院所編列的1.25兆國防特別預算書面報告，其完整報告應包含武器名稱、數量、價格，以及各案之簽約日期、預定交付期程、最終交付截止日，是否詳載延期或違約之相關規範。 |
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如有，請具體列明其內容、適用條件及實際執行情形；如無，亦請說明理由及風險控管機制。 |
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三、自蔡英文總統上任以來，也就是在川普第一任政府期間，中華民國政府就已經對美國軍購了11次，前後花了183億3千萬美元。 |
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爰請提供蔡英文總統上任以來至今，對美國軍購事宜的完整報告，其資料應有每一次簽訂合約的日期（含簽訂總金額）、軍購武器交付截止日、武器名稱、武器數量、武器價格、是否如期完成交付、如未完成交付是否有相關機制或規範制衡，其資料如有分國防部及各司令部，請一併詳列並彙整提供。 |
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總案件數、總金額、已完成交付件數、尚未完成交付件數、延宕案件數及比例，並說明目前國防部針對延宕交付案件所採之因應措施、追蹤機制及後續風險管理作為。 |
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上開索資之資料，如有涉密內容，請區分可公開與涉密範圍，就可公開部分完整提供，涉密範圍則依相關規定如實提供。 |
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一、鑒於我國後備動員制度轉型，14天期教育召集已成為後備戰力提升之核心。 |
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然查，後備軍人投身訓練不僅面臨職場工作中斷之壓力，對自由工作者及基層勞工更造成實質收入衝擊。 |
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本席2026年03月30日於外交及國防委員會質詢此議題，為落實政府「全民國防」政策並展現國家對參訓者之實質感謝，建請國防部會同財政部，參考美國對國民兵（National Guard）與後備部隊之租稅優惠精神，研議增設「國防義務特別扣除額」或提高參訓當年度所得稅免稅額度，以實質獎勵百工百業國人履行國防義務之辛勞。 |
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請國防部於二個月內提出研議方案。 |
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二、隨著區域局勢變化，我國對美採購之各項武器裝備進度備受關注。 |
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根據國防部最新書面報告顯示，目前執行中的18項公開對美軍購案中，雖有14案進度正常，但仍有3案面臨延宕風險，另有1案取得超前進展。 |
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其中(一)、F-16A/B性能提升案雖已完成，但關鍵武器AGM-154C遠距遙控精準彈藥因美方重啟產線，目前交運期程恐延後至2028年。 |
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(二)、新式戰機（F-16V BLK70）因美方產線搬遷重啟及供應鏈中斷等因素影響，產生交運風險，美方廠商已採2班制20小時，全力趕工，經查目前59架在產線上，其中7架已完成組裝待測試，首2架（1單1雙）已交由美軍在系統整合測試，預計第三季啟動飛交返國作業。 |
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(三)、MK-48 Mod6 AT重型魚雷，預計籌購24枚MK48戰雷與4枚操雷，同樣受到供應鏈中斷影響，現規劃完成交運的時間已推遲至2028年。 |
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建請國防部針對延宕案件可能造成的「戰力空窗期」與「預算遞延影響」研議具體應對作為，以確保國家安全。 |
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三、有關陸軍裝甲兵訓練指揮部坑子口訓場整建案，總預算達新臺幣11億9079萬5千元，為提升我國陸軍裝甲部隊及機步部隊訓練品質、落實戰備任務訓練的重要基礎工程並提供符合現代戰爭需求的訓練場地與設施，對強化我國地面部隊的戰鬥能力具有關鍵意義。 |
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第一階段工程期程訂為2021年至2026年，並已於2024年05月10日開工。 |
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根據國防部軍備局提供本席最新資料顯示，截至2026年04月07日，工程實際進度已達70.09%，大幅超前預定進度的63.80%。 |
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目前工程正執行活動靶台屋頂結構及剛性道路回填夯實等工項。 |
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第二階段工程期程原訂為2027年至2031年，預劃執行項目包含固定靶台、高架管線地下化工程、機槍射擊陣地、訓場道路等4項關鍵工項。 |
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這些項目對於訓場設施的完整性、訓練科目的多樣性與安全性至關重要。 |
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由於第一階段工程進度超前，使得原訂2026年完成的第一階段工程有極大機會提早結束。 |
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若能接續提前啟動第二階段工程，將能大幅縮短整體訓場整建時程，可使國軍裝甲及機步部隊更早獲得具備固定靶台、機槍射擊陣地等完整設施的現代化訓場，有利於訓練科目之全面展開與戰術戰法之精進。 |
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本席建請國防部及陸軍司令部評估第二階段工程提前執行之可行性，包含所需之預算編列、細部設計與發包作業，進行提前啟動之研議，在確保工程品質與安全的前提下，務必加速整建腳步，讓國軍地面部隊能盡早於完整整建後之訓場進行訓練，以提升整體作戰能力。 |
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四、「國機國造」政策下的勇鷹高級教練機專案，不僅是國防自主的重要里程碑，更是我國空軍飛行員訓練體系更新換代的核心。 |
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根據原訂進度規劃，漢翔公司應為空軍生產66架勇鷹高教機，各年度交機數分別為：2021年2架、2022年8架、2023年17架、2024年18架。 |
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經查，2021年至2024年間，漢翔公司皆能如期、如質、如數完成交機，此成就值得肯定。 |
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然而，按原規劃，去（2025）年度應交機18架，此為全案交機數量的高峰期之一，對空軍加速換裝至關重要。 |
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根據空軍司令部提供本席最新資料顯示，去（2025）年勇鷹高級教練機僅交機10架。 |
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與原訂年度目標18架相較，進度已嚴重落後，僅達年度目標的約56%。 |
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高級教練機的交機進度，直接影響空軍新進飛官的培訓進度，交機進度嚴重延宕，恐將導致空軍在換裝過程中出現訓練能量空隙，進而影響整體戰備能量。 |
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本席建請國防部應責成空軍司令部與漢翔公司，即刻釐清2025年交機進度嚴重落後之具體原因（例如供應鏈、品管、測試或人力配置等），針對去年度未完成之8架飛機缺口，應提出明確且可行的加速生產與交機方案，確保全案66架戰機仍能如期、如質、如數在今（2026）年底前完成交機。 |
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五、退輔會轉投資事業之核心目的，除穩定國家能源民生需求外，更負有安置退除役官兵就業、保障官兵退伍生活之社會責任。 |
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根據退輔會2026年3月提供本席的最新數據顯示，在15家退輔會轉投資的天然氣與石油氣公司中，多數公司的「退除役官兵安置率」皆高於「持股率」，惟欣彰天然氣公司之退輔會持股高達34.08%，在各轉投資天然氣及石油氣事業中排名居前，然其安置率竟僅有20.11%，位居末位。 |
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對比持股比例相近之欣桃天然氣公司（持股率41.45%、安置率49.72%）或持股更低之欣高石油氣公司（持股率21.26%、安置率36.19%），欣彰天然氣公司之安置率顯有落差。 |
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本席已連續數年於外交及國防委員會提出質詢，然該公司安置成效始終未見起色。 |
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另，經查退輔會轉投資的15家天然氣公司中，欣彰天然氣公司的持股率（34.08%）排名第6，甚至持股低於欣彰之欣屏天然氣公司、欣湖天然氣公司、欣雲天然氣等公司，退輔會皆尚能保有董事長或總經理之派任權，但欣彰卻是高持股公司中唯一一家「既無會薦董事長、也無會薦總經理」的公司，顯有股權與人事權不對等的現象，此現象是否間接導致退除役官兵安置率無法提升之原因，請退輔會基於保障退員就業權益的基礎上進行深切探究。 |
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請退輔會於二個月內提出具體改善與提高安置率的研議方案。 |
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六、近年來，隨著無人機產業的蓬勃發展與企業用人需求增加，退輔會積極調整職業訓練規劃，以滿足退除役官兵的就業需求。 |
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根據退輔會提供本席最新資料顯示，該職訓項目的成效在過去三年（2023-2025）間表現優異，且規模呈現逐年擴張的趨勢。 |
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其中參訓人數由2023年的265人，成長至2025年的352人，三年間已累計培育超過950名參訓學員，並協助取得超過850張專業證照，成效斐然。 |
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鑑於無人機訓練成效穩步提升且需求續增，建請退輔會於2026年延續往年的擴大辦理方向，並依實際需求動態調整班次，持續強化退除役官兵的職場競爭力。 |
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本院委員林俊憲，鑒於俄烏戰爭凸顯非洲戰略地位，可資臺海局勢殷鑑，爰要求外交部於一個月內，針對「臺非外交戰略」議題提出書面報告，特向行政院提出質詢。 |
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俄烏戰爭爆發迄今，戰場不再侷限於歐洲大陸，相關軍事、情報與代理勢力的競逐，正持續向非洲地區延伸，儼然形成代理人戰爭格局。 |
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近期，烏克蘭被指在利比亞等地擴大安全與軍事合作，並針對俄羅斯在紅海周邊的海上運補與戰略節點展開牽制；另一方面，俄羅斯則持續透過瓦格納等傭兵體系，在非洲招募兵源、鞏固據點，擴大其在非洲的政治與軍事影響力。 |
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同時，俄方也藉由敘事戰、反西方宣傳與假訊息操作，進一步滲透當地政治與社會輿論。 |
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由此可見，非洲已不再是地緣政治的邊陲，而是大國競逐中日益浮上檯面的戰略節點。 |
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若將此趨勢對照臺海局勢，未來即便非洲不會直接成為戰場的一部分，也極可能成為中國在印太衝突情境下的後勤補給、戰略周旋及情資蒐集點。 |
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中國近年透過「海上絲綢之路」持續深耕東非與紅海周邊國家，包括對肯亞、吉布地等地的基礎建設與港口布局，已逐步強化其對印太─中東─非洲海上航道的連結與影響力；未來若再於赤道幾內亞等地建立新的軍事據點，勢將提升其於大西洋與非洲西岸的戰略投射能力。 |
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換言之，中國不僅可能透過掌握非洲關鍵礦產、港口設施與軍事節點，分散西方制裁壓力，更可能藉此牽制美歐在印太地區的戰略資源配置，甚至影響對臺海危機的支援動線與後勤調度。 |
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委員林俊憲書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:30:10.861000+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:30:20.575286+08:00 |
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此亦代表，非洲在未來臺海風險情境下，雖非前線，卻恐為影響戰略縱深的「第二戰場」。 |
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委員林俊憲書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:30:20.875286+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:30:42.589571+08:00 |
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因此，面對中非軍事與戰略合作日益深化，我國對非外交不能僅停留於傳統邦交維繫或經貿交流層次，而應納入國家安全與地緣戰略視角，朝向「安全導向外交」或「民主防禦外交」進行布局。 |
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委員林俊憲書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:30:42.889571+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:08.032429+08:00 |
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尤其，我國目前在非洲僅存一個邦交國，且近期又遭逢南非要求我國駐處遷出，更凸顯中國正試圖壓縮我國在非洲的外交空間，切斷我國與非洲之間的戰略連結，以削弱我國對外情資掌握、國際協力空間與國防縱深。 |
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委員林俊憲書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:22.332429+08:00 |
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面對中國在非洲持續擴張其軍事、港口、礦產與敘事戰布局，我國將如何以「民主防禦」為核心，重新建構對非外交戰略思維？ |
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委員林俊憲書面質詢 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:22.632429+08:00 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:35.203857+08:00 |
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又將如何透過外交手段，強化我國在非洲的情資合作、價值連結與安全布局，以協防國家安全、降低臺海風險？ |
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主席 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:35.503857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:45.218143+08:00 |
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報告院會，外交及國防組之質詢已詢答完畢，休息5分鐘，休息之後進行經濟組之質詢。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:46.661000+08:00 |
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現在休息。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:46.961000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:48.103857+08:00 |
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休息（15時2分） |
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主席 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:48.403857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-14T15:31:50.118143+08:00 |
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繼續開會（15時8分） |
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