| IVOD_ID |
168492 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168492 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T12:25:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T12:37:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e15a9b5fbe56b15a03e63d9eaeca1783e3c80866d4b6cb3fd63c3fe24fbfd0fd505ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:25:00 - 12:37:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、衛生福利部、法務部就「中東衝突對能源、物價、民生與醫療物資供應及市場秩序之中長期影響與因應檢討，暨因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席麻煩請這個主計長跟國發會主委長先啦 國發會下一題啦好 委員好主委長我們這個金門的財力分級被升為第二級啊是這個竟然跟新北市一樣新北市有一百萬人口有這麼多的資源這完全是不一樣的這個 |
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兩個這個不可以相比的竟然把金門劃到第二級新北的資源豐沛金門是一個資源受限的這個島嶼而且經濟規模差這麼多這個分析標準有反映真實的這個財政狀況嗎 |
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是 我們是按照新的財務法下去分的金門統籌分配稅 它增加253%然後它這樣的一個金額增加127億沒有啦 它貨配127億什麼貨配127億分配100多億 本來就50幾億嘛 增加70幾億啊所以它就增加很多 它自有財源比例達到103%自有財源比例強是因為我們自己 |
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也有金酒嘛 金酒貢獻了很多錢當然財化通過對金門有幫助沒錯但是馬祖跟棚屋一樣也分配比例增加很多啊是 一樣的嘛那為什麼他們就第五級我們就第二級啊不是 那你要看你整個自由財源來來 就是我們自由財源比較強因為馬祖 馬祖酒館現在做不錯 棚屋沒有自由財源嘛那就是因為金門酒廠會賺錢嘛 對不對 |
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那你看喔 你左手給我們錢 右手給我們錢那我們升級以後 |
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還沒有輪到他 你還是講 離島建設基金在旁邊聽著國發會在旁邊聽著 因為他說因為還有國發會的離島建設基金嘛 對不對主席講 你是這麼說嘛所以才會說我們這個自主產業好 所以才把我們的升級嘛那你看 我們統籌分配稅款增加但是你這個配合款同步增加就我們每一年都要增加8000多萬的配合款然後呢 離島基金 |
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國發會請上來來你看一下齁我們基本做多少事情是不屬於基本先應該做的事情你看這個原來台灣有個台灣省嘛台灣省被經省以後那些什麼港務運作什麼在台灣是交通部 |
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中華民國交通部管這些自來水台灣有自來水經濟部水利署 次長在這裡以前的次長 以前的署長水利啊什麼這些東西都是中央在花錢做的農民漁牧防疫都是中央衛福部也有你看檢疫這些都是這些單位做但是這些事情在金門都是金門縣政府做欸主席長你知道嗎 |
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這個金門市有自來水廠誰的 |
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那金門縣政府 誰出言 金門縣政府出錢啊但是委員 我跟你說 以前金門會缺水但是這幾年我們在金門投資了相當的金額你們投資很多做海淡廠 一天可以出多少水 你知道嗎一天啊 金門大概蓄水量差不多是2.6萬噸左右我們的供給量是海淡廠一天可以多少 你知道嗎4000噸 最多多遠的 水之遠哪遠 剩下水哪裡來的 |
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剩下水哪裡來的 你在這邊回答剩下水哪裡來的今天不是要講水 今天不是要講水 今天不是要講水今天不是要講水 今天不是要講水今天不是要講水 今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水今天不是要講水 |
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虎庫這個水哪裡來的?虎庫的水是天然的天然掉下來的喔?錯了除了你當然也知道還有說大陸飲水大陸來的嘛一天大陸來兩萬噸的水啊所以我現在講的是說我現在不是要跟你討論大陸來兩萬噸的水基本上百分之八十的水每一天都是大陸來的我不是要討論這個議題我要討論的是這些東西自來水供應啊什麼這些還有那個錢啊都是我們在出嘛你們連那個借錢不夠國發會跟你們經濟部的錢不夠我們投資了四十億喔 |
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台電還包括電網設施在那個地方那是台電你現在講水就好了你以前水律師你講水就好台電等一下講水對不對所以我的意思是說剛剛主計長推說給國發會國發會上來一下我今天不是要提水水我們在總職群會來問來推給國發會說還有離島基金那我們來看離島基金你看請問今年的這個離島基金 |
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那個 國發會 今年那個計畫你們給我們過了多少個案子我們提了36個案子 你們給我們多少個案子新興案子基本上我們4月20號我們會 工作小組會再討論那要等那個會議討論完以後我們才會出審通過只有兩個案子欸 |
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36個案子只有給出審通過這我們跟你們要的資料應該不是正確的資料這是國發會提供的喔大概有36個提案20個具創新轉型域的20個新案的只有兩個通過原因是什麼來你們也給我們答案了這個是國發會給我們答案說因為請基金應該作為公務預算的助力是吧 |
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基金請大家盡量利用公共預算這是國防會說的委員 幕僚給我的意見是我們初步建議至少21案 |
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至少21案那你願意給我們立島多少錢就是那個金額目前還在那個大概跟上一期不會差太多大部分的錢要金門縣政府自己出吧這個數據就是我們立島基金撥補給地方政府的這一塊所以主計長我要講的是這樣子喔 |
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我講的是這樣子喔就是說現在很多部會啊在給預算的時候都說要推給這個基金嘛推給國發會啦都要推給國發會但事實上很多錢本來各部會就應該要編您了解我的意思嗎你們把我們的財力分級往上提升變成第二級以後對金門我不否認我們這個就是財化法通過以後我們增加了增加了很多錢沒錯但是因為我們也負擔了很多中央應該做的事情 |
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所以我們承擔了這麼久以後 原來就有後 就必須一直這樣忍受下去嗎我們幫你承擔了50年 原來就應該中央負擔的東西是不是 你有沒有想過我們都沒有講半句話 一直在中央業務 一直地方自己來做水的部分怎麼來做 你們就覺得這是原來就有負擔 |
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是嘛 所以我又回頭來講我這邊講過很多次就是說財力來講我們基本也是離島嘛你就要把我們跟澎湖馬祖相同看待嘛財化法對離島有特別的用途你知道齁 就是那一題齁有特別 你那個辦法是不是可以幫我修一下你看一下這一題你沒有 我說按照那個辦法不然我們把第二集修成跟澎湖馬祖一樣啊要跟離島 難道你要把它變第一集嗎所有的公式都是公開透明是 但是財化法裡頭 |
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中央對直轄市及縣市政府補助辦法第三條第一款有說原住民不受財力集資的限制你知道這一條吧中央對直轄市及縣市政府補助辦法第三條第一款 |
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那按照中華民國憲法呢憲法第十條有規定喔這個國家要保障離島地區的居民生計與發展這是跟原住民一樣的保障那原住民既然可以明確的可以不受財力集赤的限制那按照憲法的這個權力平衡這個原則應該是離島要比照這個一樣的做法嘛與原住民同的做法嘛我們不要 我們沒跟原住民一樣金門沒跟原住民一樣也比澎懷馬祖還不好 |
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我知道所有原因都是因為我們有金酒會賺錢我知道我們會賺錢那是我們很努力你應該要多一點鼓勵的機制 |
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是 我們也希望能夠盡量來鼓勵啦但是以中央來講 中央沒有錢啦中央錢都分到地方去了中央沒有錢你不要幫他們採貨再沒有錢也比金門縣政府有錢啊中央應該做的事情 什麼水利啊 港務啊什麼防疫啊 全部都歸地方自己做 自己出錢那本來就是地方自治的 |
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是 沒有 剛剛講的那些事情都不是地方制度我剛剛問過水利 那個以前 我們次長了他以前水利署署長 做得很好的署長那些是中央做的還是地方做的台灣自來水公司是地方的嗎是哪一個縣市的不是 像地方港舖 金門以前店都還自己的 醫院都還自己的那我們現在水 我們一直希望中央可以收回去中央也不收回去 我們全部都要自己做全部自己做就算了 你們給我們一點錢嘛或者 我們人借錢的利息都要我們自己出 對不對這個經濟部知道吧 |
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那個利息也跟你們爭取那麼久,我們還幫你們墊錢,還要再墊利息,這樣有什麼意圖利?你知道我在說哪一筆對不對?我們對離島都是一視同仁啦,那客人基本上比較有錢啦,你看那個...你不要一直說我們有錢,謝謝相對於澎湖... |
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是 那是因為我們自己很努力嘛如果我們今天不努力呢 變敗家子咧不行嘛 對不對所以你們要鼓勵我們嘛所以財力的等級就是看地方政府他自有裁員的能力啊這是全國一致標準那至於我們帶水電的這個所謂的基礎設施的這個部分也是依照這樣子的方式來去做 |
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像你剛說的海淡廠才4000噸對不對金門一天要來兩萬多噸的水兩萬二點需要兩萬三千噸的水其中有兩萬噸是從中國大陸來的是不是那如果說所以你是要幫我們多做一點韌性 |
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水利署會跟金門縣政府一起來合作水利署會跟金門縣政府一起來合作這我上次就問過囉這是總執行會問這一題我告訴你我跟卓院長在治水的部分它有一些系統性的治水那這個計畫也是全國一致的標準如何協助地方就依照財力分子大家一起來努力 |
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郭志慧在當部長的時候我上次總執行他就回答過了我們一天只有4000噸的自由水如果要海淡廠只有4000噸我們現在一天從大陸來2萬多噸你說要靠自己你就告訴我我在總執行要提供資料看你們到底一天可以讓我們有多少噸的自由水源假如今天大陸把水龍頭關起來的時候當時啊 |
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這個大陸飲水的時候我們就是要求說我們事實上我們也協助把服務的菌蟹包括管蟹包括自來水包括海膽水我知道都做了但是老天爺沒有下雨就是沒有水起碼至少要保足7乘5以上的自有的需求量你今天就假定那個水門頭關起來的時候老天爺都沒有下雨 旱災因為常常都是沒有下雨這麼多人都有旱災如果沒有倒來水是都沒有水的 |
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你可以把資料準備在下面 我們總之訓練的時候來討論 好嗎好 謝謝 |