| IVOD_ID |
168485 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168485 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T11:38:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T11:52:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e1033fb0fe92e25d3c413783e2c4a522d3c80866d4b6cb3fd6bb7f1b8e8d3d49e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許智傑 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:38:59 - 11:52:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們請主委有請陳主委委員長主委辛苦剛聽了我們陳委員在講我也是有感而發習近平對李克強的態度對胡錦濤的態度現在張又小又不知道還在不在這種人 |
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真的是無可相信啦所以這個匯台措施其實今天給明天就禁掉啦這個都是對台灣養套殺的一貫的伎倆所以那個主委還是要三思啦這個要怎麼樣跟那邊交流尤其是金門馬祖又臨近嘛那他們都會用很多那個 |
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利誘然後去壞了我們的立場所以該注意的還是要注意所以主委這部分剛聽到覺得你很辛苦所以特地跟你再慰問一下謝謝好那但是事實上世界的變局真的是很大那包括伊朗的戰爭中東戰火現在石油的問題包括現在很多工程界釐清的問題 |
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現在我們可以撐到什麼時候?畢竟目前供應已經逐步改善是沒有問題的就是供應商就是台灣中油跟台塑化的子宮是中塑 |
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還有四萬五千萬四點五萬噸的庫存那台塑化呢他也調整這個生產線呢那麼比例生產柏油的比例提高那他供應國外的 |
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契約呢減少優先供應國內這是左院長那麼在院會明確要求的那麼台說化也目前積極的做到這一些那中油除了中油的生產線本來就是在生產柏油這是因為原油啊要從中東來 |
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那中油呢也在市場上來購買現貨他們積極在趕辦採購所以在這些加起來呢對柏油的供應不會有問題量的供應啊希望說主委工程會這邊注意啦因為我之前你們大概到了六月沒問題那六月之後還是七月八月還是中通有什麼變化 |
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這個有時候我們也很難100%控制啦那我要跟主委反映就是說你比如說像我們高雄有很多的建設都需要到立簽啦科技園區、聯外道路、高雄機場跑道北移、新建國道7號、國道1號拓寬、高屏二塊新建等等啦 就有很多嘛那我在思考其實還包括採購法就是說為什麼現在的工程界好像很多人越來越不喜歡做公共工程 |
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那當公務工程的彈性或者是公務員他避免有圖利的狀況這個都要非常的注意啦所以就是說像這個履約彈性的時間比如說好我國際變化然後我現在供貨比較短缺那現在我有可能因此而延宕到時間或者是增加到成本 |
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那這個在一開始簽約的時候沒有人會想到國際會有變化這麼大那像這個在禮約的爭議的時候他們一定都會說最後本身的工程單位大概都沒有人敢自己做決定那最後都會說那請工程會調解 |
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像這個部分國際局勢的變化產生這個不管是原料的成本的增加或者是原料的供應的延宕那影響到這個本來契約所訂定的條件那這個部分如果是國際變化我們工程會是不是有一個覆案如果遇到這種情況的話我們應該要怎麼處理 |
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工程會針對這些事有做過公告了就是關於成本的增加工期必須延長那麼都主張那麼這個可以做物調那麼工程延期呢可以雙方合一呢來做這個工期的展延 |
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那如果說雙方有意見可以到工程會來諮詢那工程會也是採取這樣的態度應該很快可以解決那如果說合約裡面沒有明確規定那也可以做情勢變更的主張那工程會很明確正面的態度就是可以物調那工期可以展延我現在其實有一個比較大向的問題需要工程會統一去思考 |
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就是說在所有的國家公關工程裡面有一些是不好的廠商有一些是少部分會刁難的公務員那我們相信公務員90%以上都是好的啦但是就是說有少數的小鬼難纏然後包括我以前當風篡市長的時候其實有個經驗可以讓主委參考 |
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我那時候剛剛有一些採購還不太清楚那我會覺得說設計跟施工跟建造分開可能比較可以防弊但是後來發現有一家廠商他專門低價搶標建造低價搶標建造他就可以去跟施工單位要有的沒有的 不順的話就刁難 |
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像這個部分你好的廠商遇到這種不好的狀況不管是工部門的小鬼或者是其他一般業界的小鬼那遇到這種情況事實上有很多在地方機場都卡住有很多求速無門所以有一些會到我們這裡來那事實上這個部分工程會 |
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大件的 小件的都可以拜託你們處理嗎就是如果理業爭議可以到工程會來申訴調解 |
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看完報告 如果是申訴 這調解案件因為本身牽涉到六都也有申訴 它有一個類似管轄的分配那所以調解的部分要看那個管轄到底是屬於六都的申訴還是中央現在其實 現在就是時間啦 就是說效率啦有些喔 那有的公司被卡到公司倒閉啦 |
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這個部分我們聽起來就是情何以堪那我們如何去把這個速度讓他真的是受到委屈的要能夠加快 |
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第一個就是說我們工程會的立場是認為你除了不能圖利廠商你也不能刁難嘛這個誰決定到最後還是工程會決定我們是有定叫做採購人員的倫理規則就是說有一些比較有擔當的行政部門 |
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他如果專業夠 擔當夠 判斷是這個建造刁難他可能就可以處理了但是像這麼有擔當的公務員不好找因為他會怕被人家講到他圖利對 他除非說我非常的有擔當 而且我非常的專業我認為說這個部分其實人家真的沒問題 你是刁人家這個其實我看過少數有這種擔當的公務員也有啦但是畢竟不多啦 |
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那在這個整個台灣各縣市這種小案子非常的多那這個我們工程會有沒有辦法想一個辦法去把它的速度加快我們這個第一個當然是一開始的那個合約抓的禮業期限要合理坦白講我覺得一開始就不合理啦沒關係我現在是這樣啦對時間的關係我們也不要偷太久原則上就是說這是個問題 |
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那我請工程會做個思考那這個問題有時候到最後都是一直拖時間拖到最後公司倒閉沒有倒閉也傷了七八分了啦那有些這種狀況我們有沒有辦法把這個速度加快有一種狀況這個明明是機關可以決定的事情他的權責可以決定的事情 |
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他還是會把他送到工程會來希望工程會去背書所以案件非常多所以自然人力非常缺乏我們這個申訴調解委員會的人力非常缺乏所以每個月平均有八十件一個月平均八十件那你去檢視這些有的機關就可以自己做行政決定的首長就可以決定的還有的首長就不決定所以 |
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公務員我們都了解啦 公務員很怕被卡到圖裡叫他有擔當說他100%有擔當其實這個就牽涉到我之前也有跟指揮執訊過就是檢察官濫訴造成公務員不敢勇於認識所以他很公正 但是人家還是去捲起 |
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那檢察官還是去調查,然後還是被起訴的時候,他就覺得說我這年有正義感,這年有擔當,也是受到很大的危困所以我為什麼說這個最有利標,我們希望說那個政風阻擊能夠加入多一點那也謝謝工程會,事實上我大概要求五年以上了那這五年來從30%到50%,現在應該快50%了吧 |
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超過50%了嘛 對不對所以這個都是我們工程會的努力的成果啦這個當然要感謝但是我的意思是說我們從整個採購法 事實上我到交通委員會其實除了其他的項目之外 其實採購法也是我要求的一個重要的項目啦 |
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那比如說我們保護好的廠商不好的廠商我們也要處理啊比如說負責人換殼的問題這個我們本來這次採購法要修都會準備修進來嘛那包括就是政風主計加入審查的機制 |
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那我聽說就是這個一家到三家三家改成一家這個有爭議這個大家再討論沒關係但是我聽說是說就這個案子所以整個採購法的修改都要再延後那這樣子我其他的部分可以先要求你我們要先處理 |
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畢竟工程會提案經過行政院審議再送大院來審查所以我們依據大概各界意見在重整之後看年底之前能不能再重新依告年底之前你說一家跟三家這個會有定案我的意思是說現在一家跟三家有爭議嗎 |
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那其他的我相信大部分都沒有爭議嗎還有些人有提出蠻多見解的所以我們必須重新再看過一次還有其他的條文也有意見我是這樣具體建議啦就是說有爭議的該暫緩的我們就暫緩嘛那如果可以先行的我們就先行我們盡速啦是不是主委可以用這個角度去思考 |
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我們改很多條的啦 我也有提一個版本 我也改很多條的啦這個真的是對台灣採購的環境 要讓公務員有擔當 有政方主席照顧要讓好的商人不要受到這麼大的危困 我們要比較快速去解決他的問題 |
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要不然給不好的村鄉你自己要挖坑我也不可以給你外面挖坑像這一些東西都是採購法一併思考的問題對於國家的公共工程才會有具體的幫助所以我是建議就是說速度還是要快那如果可以分開的話也可以考慮分開該可以做的就先做這樣好不好好 我們盡數來預告好 謝謝 |