| IVOD_ID |
168484 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168484 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T11:26:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T11:38:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e1abe992e609053e6d413783e2c4a522d3c80866d4b6cb3fd6bb7f1b8e8d3d49e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:26:27 - 11:38:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席,是不是請陳主委有請陳主委委員長主委這兩天啦這個中共習主席習總書記對金門馬祖釋出一些利多也就是這個新四通新四通裡面包含了通水、通電、通氣、通橋 |
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早上我看也有委員在質詢這個問題嘛所以你認為因為你督導水利、電力都你們督導的嘛你認為在政黨還沒有輪替的情況之下,有可能跟對岸談這個問題嗎? |
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包委員我是覺得所有的事情都可以談啦基於民生需要但是呢我們要了解我們的對岸對我們並不友善那麼他有一些企圖而且有時候呢也不一定 |
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宣傳跟實際做的不一樣我舉金門供水而言反而金門我們現在做的所以供水供得很好啊對我說金門現在反而海水淡化或本身的水利設施慢慢的可以這個讓廈門供來的水是在一定比例以下所以我是認為說可以談但是呢我們必須很清楚這個還是有些前提的 |
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沒有 你現在反正來者不善嘛你什麼東西都不溝通嘛你在不溝通的狀況之下那最後幹什麼 就是打仗嘛是不是就是打仗嘛你無法溝通 無法在桌面上來談事情那就我們準備武器嘛 跟對面對幹就這個意思嘛 是不是是不是這個意思其實你金門馬祖太簡單了他把你所有的金元切斷物資切斷 |
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是不是早上有人問,廈門那邊做的橋他們在兩年以前開始動工了要跟小金門要通橋你知道嗎已經真的在做了他這個橋他為什麼敢做你不通的話他改天把你圍起來,他一樣把你金門拿下來一樣通當然我們是政治上評估他大概不至於這樣做了那現在,好你講海水淡化 |
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你喜歡喝海水蛋花的水嗎我們目前你看馬祖都是海灘機南竿你看六百噸的有兩座每天有一千噸的水淡水海水海水蛋花的水北竿有五百噸的水東營有五百噸的水東西局有差不多兩百噸的水這些水 |
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海水淡化水喝下去你覺得健康嗎?你有沒有跟醫生有接觸過?你們行政院工程會老是在討論這些事情水裡面原水包含了一些鈣、鎂、鈉、鉀、鐵、矇、氯、矽很多東西在裡面我跟醫生聊過海水淡化的水喝了以後會怎麼樣?它會軟趴趴的骨頭 |
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骨骼疏鬆對身體會有影響的我們目前老百姓的壽命還活得蠻長的如果跟中部一樣用廢塞發電那天閻光衡委員跟我講他最近出病出病的場合都是六七十歲的我們這邊都八九十歲他六七十歲你到北京去七十歲也是高壽為什麼 |
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它只有一個出口嘛所以北京那邊都是霧濛濛、雨濛濛的那個空氣非常糟糕啦所以所以你有機會對水的問題我希望你到馬祖旭也順便考察一下好不好督導經濟部這水的問題我們目前水是夠記者問我水夠不夠我說夠電夠不夠?夠 |
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但是有狀況,你不能長年喝這個海水氮化的水海水氮化水進來以後要跟原水要混合在一起金門的水有,我們政府有講你水資源不足的時候才同意讓它購水那是管碧玲委員現任的海委會主委,她反對最厲害後來我跟楊正文委員去陪著我陪楊正文委員去跟管碧玲委員溝通 |
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金門才開放這個水啊 |
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所以馬祖這個水的問題,我們未來的十年二十年,觀光科來了以後,要為這個來打算水啊、電啊,這些可以考慮主委好不好因為牽涉到其他部會的問題,不單純是供工程委員的業務所以我們了解委員的用心你不要一定要政黨輪替,你現在對共產黨沒有信心 |
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對不對沒有人對共產黨有信心他過來跟你下跪了嗎你也不敢跟他聊啊你總是認為黃鼠狼給雞拜年嘛是不是報告主委你有這樣的想法那個很麻煩耶共產黨統治的國家沒有幾個啦所以你看看全世界主要的民主國家對共產黨的提議好啦現在你也看到老美嘛老美我要打你哪裡就哪裡嘛是不是我要打你伊朗美國總統講什麼 |
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我打伊朗是鬧著玩的開玩笑的你懂不懂我想打他就打他大國現在就這麼回事嘛是不是今天美國有力量可以保護台灣我們所以台灣講話很強硬有一天美國沒這個能力來保護台灣的時候台灣講話還那麼大聲嗎我不相信好這個不談我們目前喔馬祖那邊你們有沒有去做施工的查核啊 |
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我之前有請祖密去過馬祖一趟那是針對一個風災的個案不是光茶河公災,還有我們的公共工程我們最近本來在安排去看它的水資源處理中心因為馬祖是一個污水處理的典範在全國各縣市接管率,馬祖好像是第三名 |
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接管率是全國第三名海水淡化是處理的很好我說是民生污水的處理接管率是全國第三名所以是非常認真在接管在做這些小型的污水處理廠所以我們是最近有時間會安排污水處理我們那時候我還當縣長的時候我們是全國第二名除了落後台北市我們是第二名高雄市 |
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是第二還是馬祖是第二啦,大概是全國優先啦馬祖有個地方你們漏掉了,軍中啊 |
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軍中都在山上那個汙水你們要注意到你不要只注意到民間所以軍方的汙水是沒有接管嗎他那個髒的水流下來會影響到我們平原我們找時間去看好現在就是說落實施工查核我們北竿的中山國中原定115年6月25號完工到現在工程紀錄多少2.49 |
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你們工程會對這個事情怎麼處理?他們已經進入2.498委員這個個案是我們來瞭解,預定6月完工目前沒有很像在工程會,你們在跟縣政府跟他在你們那邊調組,在調組還有在調組喔?還可以調組嗎? |
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可能資料要回去查,如果說是他的在履歷當中施工進度達到一定的比例,機關當然可以罰他錢或者把他終止但我不知道這個個案的情況這個早就要列入101條了吧 |
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那是另外一件事情 那是兩件事情你們現在在處理喔可能要回去查 因為案件很多啦 委員臨時問我不是案件很多 但是落得太嚴重了嘛今年要完工的東西才2.49 |
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現在我們沒處理,你們沒處理,當然人家有一些人怪到縣長頭上去做管理的人也很麻煩工程會是負責申訴的部分,到底要不要停權是由機關來決定還有大邱遊客中心,也一樣大邱遊客中心當然啦,現在中央沒有錢給他 |
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沒有錢給他所以進度落後你們了解一下好不好還有在缺工我們那裡失業率是0.1全國最低的沒有人失業啊他沒有工作的一些人什麼原因就是年齡老化還有身心障礙除了這些人都有工作做那我們缺工他怎麼辦呢缺工這裡面不只是工程的缺工 |
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我們旅遊業、旅館、洗床單、備單還有廚師、炒菜、洗碗盤這些怎麼處理? |
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因為這是服務業的這個人力需求那勞動部也一直有在注意這些事情那我們會來跟勞動部來反映另外就缺工的問題就工程的問題因為離島所以他的人力缺乏包括 |
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原料也缺乏所以需要運送所以基本上預算當然是可以比平常在本島的預算那麼可以再增加再多編啦 寬編這一直都有這樣的一個制度後邊我們有的標不出去耶你看一個工程標了18次主委你在台灣有聽說過標18次標不出去的嗎有標多次流標的是有啦是不是有標18次 好像這個標出去了 |
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聽說這個廠商不只標這個工程,前面標這個工程不知道工程延宕多久已經一直給他工期了他有三個,阿兵哥還一個,還一個案子這個拿他沒辦法嗎?你這樣下去的話怎麼辦?當縣長也好,當指揮官也好,你說碰到這樣的工程這些業者你說怎麼辦?這不是我的問題嘛,不是從政者的問題嘛 |
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所以這個法律上面 法規上面怎麼處理它受到你們工程會去調處你們要有一個標準的判斷好不好好 如果禮遇爭議的調解那工程會會指定委員來協助還有就是心事中的事情請主委認真一點對水資源的管理等等好不好你不能讓我們一直喝海水丹花茶 |
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核和海水淡化,你起碼未來的十年二十年還是要未雨綢繆你不能光看眼前,眼前是沒有缺水沒有缺電問題我們很多的基礎建設完備以後,觀光客進來我們要供應這麼多人,那時候水跟電就不夠了你要從長計議,謝謝主委 |