| IVOD_ID |
168478 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168478 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T11:38:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T11:48:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e1b631e2a49f39fdc581f6660fd2e34289aa0fde58f0e31cf2db08b1e8b7a4a0825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:38:25 - 11:48:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥、國防部副部長徐斯儉、內政部、海洋委員會報告「針對近期中國籍小型船隻非法侵入我國領海之偵搜漏洞檢討、科技監偵設備建置進度與精進作為」，併請大陸委員會、交通部列席，並備質詢。） |
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我們請國安局海巡署跟內政部謝謝請國安局海巡署還有內政部謝謝謝謝主席 汪委員好局長請問一下我們今天這個題目這些小庭你判斷會越來越多還越來越少 |
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我們不排除它還會再發生,這也是為什麼我們一直在跟海巡在討論怎麼樣來提升我們的一些應酬的一些措施好,那我接著請教海巡署,你如果看到這裡的船,這裡的小艇,你看到的後一步是什麼?看到它之後 |
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看這小艇在跑的時候,你們的下一步是什麼?我們雷達偵測到以後,我們會去做必要的識別然後我們派遣情務,然後線上艇就直接去攔查然後在岸基部分,如果攔查的話,抓,因為我們要去辨識啊因為我不曉得這小艇到底是我們自己的漁船,還是對方的漁船抓到了嗎? |
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抓到以後就按照程序來做處理 扣押然後扣押 留置調查啊 交給內進部我們現在的是要辨別你是非法入侵的漁船部我們就按照兩岸人民關係條例來做處理你那個魚如果是什麼 不管偷渡什麼 你如果抓到都找去內進部嘛我們現在按照兩岸人民關係條例來做處理如果是漁民部份是我們做留置調查那如果是偷渡的部份當然是回歸到留置調查要讓他們吃便當嗎要 |
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他就不許來教你吃便當就好了我們調查了一段時間啦,就是留置調查,然後畢竟要做採訪你怎麼不給他關照就好因為他違法,不是國內的法,你當然要逮捕,因為他是違法行為啊那怎麼會,逮捕之後逮捕之後就留置調查,然後...不然之後現在報告裡面,不想說不然之後他們都要投奔自由的嚮往台灣民主的 |
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這是他的說法,但是我們會根據他的...這就是中國人不吃小孩啦,一群臭小孩啦抓到就說要逃免自由,不吃小孩啦抓到就說我們是來騷擾的啦,我們就要你測試的啦抓到就雞龜雞拐,鼻青,沒有啦,我們是要逃免自由,臭小孩啊這種就要處理啊,每天都在互相罵,大人會人會,你這海巡署人就皮皮板面 |
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這樣會不會通因為我們是按照相關的法律來做然後這一部分只要是偷渡 不過我們是依給地檢處去做後續的調查後續的偵辦不是 他不是偷渡 他就是來亂的啦 |
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來斷了你怎麼辦?我們國內有完整的法治啊,我們就按照法律來處理它他們一直在亂,一天來把你一天去十天來亂他們來十天,我照理啊,我照法律你們的戰力就整個耗損一下對不對?我們海巡有這個能力,只要發現有能力來做處理,沒問題沒問題,來國安局,你跟海巡署沒問題 |
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委員比較擔心的是會有這種大規模而且品質很高的一個簽約大規模啦,他就這麼把你攔著,你就每天都在批本命啦,啊如果早一隻進來就大臭皮啦早一隻進來就說,好我們登陸了啦,中華民國台灣的海巡有夠弱的啦,我們趕快趕上去啦,怎麼樣 |
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所以這也是為什麼我們要建立一些跨部會的聯訪跟通報的機制我們也是從很多的案例當中做一些改善知道他在那裡嘛 去找到他啊找他之後再開便當機這樣會不會通不過就海防的立場來講當然是只要有這種違法的行為真的就是要逮捕啦那依照我們的法律來進行審判那他還必須要在這邊服刑所以如果上一大堆來服刑 |
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對啊,依照法律我們就是要處理啊,你不能夠做事不管阿姨我們就一直給他服刑就對了你一天三天一百個,你就一百個都給他服刑就對了對,目前來講要依照法律阿姨這種的身份很假啊對,但還有一個可能是拉長我們的警戒的範圍啦那盡量不要讓他... 阿這你們要注意啦對啊,這我們要注意因為他以前比較大隻的,你們就一直找他的現在創這種的喔 |
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都會耗損我們,有時候他幫你做一些認知作戰,我們就要看他,他剛才在那裡喝水,好,這樣失敗整個台灣人就說,嗯,愛純就這樣失敗,都沒發現對我們的海巡署,這個威信應用算很大,對我們的國安的應用也很大民眾會覺得說,這愛純到底是在說什麼,愛純要開一百,開一百我們都不知道,那一百到裡面還要炒大 |
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國安局我覺得這個可能你們要特別注意因為這種的喔對他們來說 身分很低啦對啦他們人也不用身分啊 人那麼多人不用身分再來捏便當還可以臭皮對 假如後續海巡的這一方面的徵收技術能量有提升的話啦那可能是盡量不要讓他進階到我們的岸際啦好 那這個接下來會在我們的相關的演習有這一條嘛 |
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會 揮袋的清掃本來就是我們關注的一個重點不是 我現在說的小庭你講的會接下來會有這種演習嗎 |
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這部份應該海巡也有做一些剛剛署長也在說明報告當中有提到有針對我們的情緣做必要的一個教育這種可能臨港有什麼演習的時候叫海有關的演習這種可能要特別納入因為這看起來有可能他們現在說什麼去淘寶要一些不好的東西當過來的東西就是爛,叫一些草薯,不太好,人會人會 |
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他們這個身分算假喔所以這我們可能要特別注意一下國安局長請教一下阿強阿曾發布十大毀台措施嘛要毀滅台灣的十大措施嘛有沒有哪一條是你意外的 |
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呃基本上呃我剛才在跟其他委員說明啦大概到我們選舉之前都會有這些所謂的錯失哪一條你很意外對那我要講的重點是大概之前都有提過啦以前都有提過所以沒有什麼意外對大概都是他如果要選一個最意外的啊你國安局長你抱歉說你如果真的說意外你可能沒辦法做局長裡面有一條我最關心他說金門廈門共用機場 |
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今天梁文傑副主委接受媒體問的時候,他說太隆重,不知道那是什麼意思,說了回來,好沒關係局長,你看看事實上那個祥安機場,我們真的是沒有意外,是因為它本來在今年年底就要落成所以在它的機場興建過程當中,我們都有在注意它相關的動態另外,它也有做一些宣傳 |
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還有做一些宣傳包括機場要開放一些攤位給台商來承租包括鼓勵我們外離島民眾運用祥安機場當國際機場所以他這部分的操作在之前中共的官宣媒體就已經有在進行那這一次只是有提出來重新再講一次他現在如果是說我現在看到一些民意代表不知道是什麼是替人說話還是什麼他說因為金門這個地方常常在吃農物 |
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所以有時候飛機沒辦法降落金門,整個停在廈門這在國安局看來還不通對啊,所以剛剛各位說明的是,這比較像是一個統戰的操作你說我們台灣對松山北的金門嘛,我們站成雲井坐飛機的嘛現在說金門沒辦法降落,我看這幫利用的,我看這幫華信的,不然直接降落廈門 |
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這樣會不會通沒有 這還是不太可行啦因為他也沒有跟我們有做過相關的討論委員看到應該是他在統戰過程當中釋放的一些訊息啦來讓台灣內部社會來針對這些議題不知道怎麼回應或是內部出現一些不同的意見所以這個問題事實上從大概一年多前就已經有在操作有關襄陽機場的問題那國安局的態度是什麼 |
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那基本上我們認為香安機場在落成之後,那不管是一些航線或是管制區,還是要透過管道跟我們政府來做溝通跟討論所以他認定的也是國際機場嗎?他的機場他定位是在國際機場不是啦,一定是國際機場要給你開放一個叫做台灣的什麼航站啊 |
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他現在確實在操作的宣傳上有特別提到同等待遇啦也就是讓我們外離島的民眾那在使用這些機場或中共的交通設施可以跟中國大陸的民眾一樣所以他整體後面有一個統戰策略的包裝那國安局的角度我們當然就是來揭露中共這樣的一個做法讓國人在討論的時候比較知道中共背後的一個政治的圖這你一定要提醒交通部跟民航局 |
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這不是在開玩笑的這坐飛機騎升溫泉叫我騎火車是沒用的在松山機場要出門坐航車也沒用你不可以在那個高麗航車機位 什麼下來變一個黑門 裝傻的你如果這樣做 像我們這種去阿京阿發要乘坐的那種我現在如果坐一間房子 飛機拿回去下門 我就下車他現在說沒辦法降落 降落來下門 |
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所以這個國安局要提醒高雄補給民營局國內機場就是國內機場國際機場就是國際機場不能用奇奇怪怪的理由來用所以接下來這幾個重要的題目你今天也有說他們這阿強水池會收回去我們也說要開放這個,我們也說農產品上面有糖,它又不行所以這個國安局要加油,還有這個海巡署 |
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你們針對小庭的,要研究一下,不然一些中國超市,不吃雞,沖一沖的淘寶,一些垃圾,來捏便當,我們就讓他賺,這樣不通,這個完全不通,這大家看不下去,大家加油 |
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王委員義川 |
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好，我們請國安局、海巡署跟內政部，謝謝。 |
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主席（馬委員文君） |
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請國安局、海巡署還有內政部，謝謝。 |
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蔡局長明彥 |
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好，謝謝主席，王委員。 |
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局長，請問一下，我們今天這個題目的這些小艇，你判斷會越來越多，還是越來越少？ |
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我們不排除它還會再發生，這也是為什麼我們一直在跟海巡討論怎麼樣提升一些應處的措施。 |
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好，我接著請教海巡署，看到這些船、這些小艇後，你們的下一步是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-13T11:38:59.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:09.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
看到它之後、看到這些小艇在那邊的時候，你們的下一步是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-13T11:39:09.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:19.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
雷達偵蒐到以後，我們會去做必要的識別，然後派遣勤務，線上艇就直接去攔查，在岸際部分，如果…… |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-13T11:39:19.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:21.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
你是把它趕走，還是抓起來？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.091 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-13T11:39:21.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:27.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
抓，我們要去辨識，因為不曉得這個小艇到底是我們自己的漁船還是對方的漁船。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-13T11:39:27.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:27.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
抓到後呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-13T11:39:29.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:33.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
抓到以後，就按照程序來處理，扣押、留置、調查。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-13T11:39:35.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:35.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
交給內政部？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-13T11:39:38.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:43.330000+08:00 |
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如果辨別為非法入侵的漁船，我們就按照兩岸人民關係來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-13T11:39:44.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:46.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
我知道，但不管偷渡還是什麼，抓到後就都交給內政部，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.44 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-13T11:39:47.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:55.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
我們現在是按照兩岸人民關係處理，如果是漁民部分，我們做留置調查，如果是偷渡的部分，當然是回歸到…… |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-13T11:39:55.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-13T11:39:56.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
留置調查要讓他們吃便當嗎？要。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:00.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:01.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
他們不時來吃便當就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:02.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:06.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
我們調查有一段時間，就是留置調查、必要蒐證，然後做裁罰。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:07.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:09.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
為什麼不把他趕走就好？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:09.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:13.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
因為他違反我們國內的法令當然要逮捕，因為他是違法行為。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:14.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:15.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
再來，逮捕之後呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:15.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:17.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
逮捕之後就是留置調查，然後…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:18.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:22.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
現在報告裡面不是寫說，問完之後，他們都是要投奔自由、嚮往臺灣民主的。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:24.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:25.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
這是他的說法，但是我們會根據他的…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:25.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:26.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
這就是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:26.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:26.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
這就是中國人的「毋成囡仔」啦、一群「臭卒仔」啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:27.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:27.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
抓到就說要投奔自由，「毋成囡仔」啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:27.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:33.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
抓到又不敢說自己是來騷擾的、是測試你們的，抓到還「假鬼假怪」、「覕鬚」的說：沒有啦，我們是要投奔自由。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.537 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:33.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:34.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
笑死人！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:34.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:35.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
像這種的要怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:36.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:51.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
每天這些蒼蠅、蚊子在這邊挑釁，你們這些海巡署的人不就疲於奔命，這樣可行嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.364 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:51.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-13T11:40:52.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
你總是要想辦法啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-13T11:40:52.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:00.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
跟委員報告，我們是按照相關的法令來做，只要是偷渡部分，我們會移給地檢署去做後續的調查、後續的偵辦。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:00.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:02.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
不是啦，他就是來亂的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:04.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:06.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
來亂的你們要怎樣辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:06.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:09.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
來亂就按照……我們國內有完整的法制，我們就按照法令來處理他。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:09.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:10.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
他如果一直來亂、一直來亂，假設一天有一、二十艘來亂呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:10.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:12.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
他們如果來10艘、20艘，我照抓、照罰啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.462 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:13.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:14.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
這樣你們的戰力就整個都耗損在那裡，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:14.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:17.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
我們海巡只要發現就有能力來處理，沒問題！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:17.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:17.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
沒問題？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:17.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:18.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
來，國安局，你認為海巡署沒問題嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:18.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:32.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
你認為海巡署現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:32.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:32.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
委員比較擔心的是會有這種大規模而且頻次很高的侵擾。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:32.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:38.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
不是大規模，他就這邊挑釁一下、那邊挑釁一下，你就每天在那邊疲於奔命，如果跑一艘進來就在那邊臭屁，說：我們登陸了啦，中華民國臺灣的海巡有夠爛，我們的船隨便開進來了，怎樣！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.527 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:38.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-13T11:41:38.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這樣要怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-13T11:41:55.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:03.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
對，所以這也是為什麼我們要建立一些跨部會聯防跟通報的機制，我們也是從很多的案例當中不斷地在做一些改善。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:03.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:07.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
沒有啦，現在知道他在那裡、找到他了，抓來之後還要花便當錢，這樣可行嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:10.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:17.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
不過就海防的立場來講，只要有違法的行為真的就是要逮捕，依照我們的法律來進行審判，他也必須要在這邊服刑。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:17.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:18.367000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
如果送一大堆來服刑呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:23.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:26.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
對啊，依照法律我們就是要處理，不能夠坐視不管。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:28.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:29.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我們一直讓他服刑就對了？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:29.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:30.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
對啊，我們是法治國家。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:30.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:34.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
如果一天抓100個，都要讓他服刑就對了？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:34.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:35.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
這樣可行嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:34.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:36.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
對，目前來講要依照法律來…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:36.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:37.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
這種的成本很低啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:38.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:42.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
當然還有一個可能是拉長我們的警戒範圍，儘量不要讓它靠岸。 |
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0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:42.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:43.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
這部分你們要注意。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:43.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:44.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
對，這我們來注意。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:44.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:54.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
因為他以前用比較大艘、你們用雷達找得到的，現在用這種都會耗損我們自己，有時候他操作一些認知作戰，我們看起來就……像上次從淡水進來，全臺灣的人想說那艘船就這樣進來，怎麼都沒發現？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.595 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:54.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:56.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
對我們海巡署的威信影響很大、對我們國安的影響也很大，民眾會疑惑海巡到底有沒有在顧？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.658 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:56.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:57.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
船就這樣直接開進來，開進來我們都不知道，進來之後還在那邊臭屁！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.321 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:19.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:32.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
國安局，我覺得這部分你們要特別注意，因為這種對他們來說成本很低，他們的人也不用成本，人那麼多，人不用成本還來領便當、還可以臭屁。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:34.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:41.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
對，假如後續海巡在這一方面的偵搜技術能量有提升的話，可能儘量不要讓他近接到我們的岸際，能在外海就…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.756 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:41.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:45.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
好，接下來會在我們相關的演習有這一部分嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:46.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:48.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
會，灰帶的侵擾本來就是我們關注的一個重點。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:48.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:52.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
不是，我現在是說小艇這種的，接下來會有這種演習嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:54.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:01.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
這一部分應該海巡也有做一些……剛剛署長也在說明、報告當中提到，有針對我們的勤員做必要的教育。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:01.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:02.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
如果改天有什麼跟海洋相關演習的時候，這種可能要再特別納入。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.607 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:02.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:23.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
因為這種看起來有可能……他們現在都說要去淘寶買一些沒用的船，中國來的東西就是爛，叫一些「臭卒仔」、「毋成囡仔」在那邊挑釁，還來領便當，這種的成本真的算低。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.492 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:23.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:25.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
對，沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:25.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:27.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
所以這部分你們可能要特別注意一下。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:28.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:39.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
第二，國安局長請教一下，中共昨天發布十大「毀臺措施」，要毀滅臺灣的十大措施，有沒有哪一條是你意外的？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:41.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:46.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我剛才有跟其他委員說明，大概到我們選舉之前都會有這些所謂的惠臺措施…… |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:47.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:48.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
不是啦，我是說這十條有沒有哪一條你很意外？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.368 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:48.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:52.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我要講的重點是，大概之前都有提過！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:52.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:53.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
所以沒有什麼意外？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:54.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:54.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
對，大概都是他歷來…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:54.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:56.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
如果要選一個最意外的呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:59.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:06.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
你是國安局長不好意思說，如果你真的說意外可能沒辦法做局長。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:06.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:19.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
裡面有一條我最關心的是金門、廈門共用機場，剛才梁文傑副主委接受媒體訪問的時候說這太籠統，他不知道是什麼意思。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:21.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:22.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
局長，你的看法呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:24.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:34.112000+08:00 |
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事實上，關於翔安機場我們真的是沒有意外，因為它本來在今年年底就要落成，所以在這個機場興建的過程當中，我們都有在注意相關的動態。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:34.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:35.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
它現在要共用。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:34.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:50.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
另外，他有做一些宣傳，包括機場要開放一些攤位給臺商來承租，包括鼓勵我們外離島民眾運用翔安機場當國際機場，這一部分的操作在之前中共的官宣、媒宣就已經有在進行，這一次只是又提出來重新再講一次。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:52.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-13T11:46:07.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
我現在有看到一些民意代表不知道是替人講話還是怎樣，他說因為金門這個地方常常起濃霧，所以有時候飛機沒辦法降落金門，乾脆就停到廈門。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.817 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-13T11:46:07.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-04-13T11:46:10.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
這部分你們國安局看起來可行嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-13T11:46:11.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-04-13T11:46:14.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
所以剛剛跟委員說明的是，這比較像是一個統戰的操作。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-13T11:46:14.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-13T11:46:28.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
在臺灣從松山飛金門，我們拿身分證坐飛機，現在他說金門沒辦法降落，我看這班立榮、這班華信就直接降落廈門，這樣可不可行？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.577 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-13T11:46:30.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-04-13T11:46:50.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
這還是不太可行啦，因為他也沒有跟我們做過相關的討論，委員看到的應該是他在統戰過程當中釋放的一些訊息，來讓臺灣內部社會針對這些議題不知道怎麼回應，或是內部出現一些不同的意見，這個問題大概從一年多前就已經有在操作，有關翔安機場的問題。 |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-13T11:46:50.888000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-13T11:46:51.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
那國安局的態度是什麼？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-13T11:46:53.465000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:02.133000+08:00 |
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基本上，我們認為翔安機場在落成之後，不管是一些航線或是管制區，還是要透過管道跟我們政府來做溝通跟討論。 |
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0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-13T11:47:02.133000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-04-13T11:47:04.815000+08:00 |
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所以他的認定也是國際機場嘛。 |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:04.815000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:06.877000+08:00 |
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他的機場是定位在國際機場。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:06.877000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:09.760000+08:00 |
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不是啦，他定義國際機場，但是開放一個臺灣航站。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:13.069000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:35.342000+08:00 |
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他現在確實在操作的宣傳上有特別提到同等待遇，也就是讓我們外離島的民眾在使用這些機場或中共的交通設施，可以跟中國大陸的民眾一樣，所以整體後面有一個統戰策略的包裝，以國安局的角度，我們當然就是揭露中共這樣的做法，讓國人在討論的時候比較知道中共背後的政治意圖。 |
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0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:35.342000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:39.665000+08:00 |
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這部分你們一定要提醒交通部跟民航局，這不是在開玩笑的。對，有。 |
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0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:39.665000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:45.948000+08:00 |
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搭飛機拿身分證跟拿護照是不一樣的，從松山機場出發的航廈也不一樣，不要從國內航廈起飛結果降落在廈門，「裝肖仔」！ |
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0.265 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:45.948000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:47:50.030000+08:00 |
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如果這樣搞，像我們這種被阿共喊要懲戒的人，我如果要搭去金門，飛機卻飛去廈門，我不就直接下課！ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.537 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-04-13T11:47:50.110000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:16.095000+08:00 |
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他現在說沒辦法降落，不然降落到廈門，所以這部分國安局你要提醒交通部跟民航局，國內機場就是國內機場、國際機場就是國際機場，不能用這些奇奇怪怪的理由處理。 |
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0.768 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:16.095000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:17.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
對，當然。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:16.975000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:21.138000+08:00 |
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接下來關於這幾個重要的題目，你今天也有提到，阿共隨時會收回去，一下子說要開放這個、一下子又說農產品上面有蟲，因此又不行了。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.661 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:21.198000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:21.858000+08:00 |
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所以國安局要加油。好。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:21.938000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:45.593000+08:00 |
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剛才海巡署針對小艇那部分要研究一下，不然一些中國「臭卒仔」、「毋成囡仔」用淘寶的爛貨，抓來後領便當，我們還要讓他住，這樣不行、這個完全不通，大家看不下去，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.603 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:45.693000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:45.933000+08:00 |
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大家加油！ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
蔡局長明彥 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:46.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:47.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
好，謝謝。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
張副主任委員忠龍 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:47.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:48.875857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
謝謝委員。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:49.175857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:50.890143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
現在休息5分鐘。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:51.190143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:52.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
休息（11時49分） |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:52.633000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:54.061571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
繼續開會（12時） |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:54.361571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:55.504429+08:00 |
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繼續開會。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:55.804429+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-13T11:48:59.518714+08:00 |
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接下來請王安祥委員上臺質詢。 |
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0 |