| IVOD_ID |
168477 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168477 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T11:36:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T11:48:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e172a1ecf1f3134c55e63d9eaeca1783e3aa0fde58f0e31cf2db08b1e8b7a4a0825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:54 - 11:48:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、衛生福利部、法務部就「中東衝突對能源、物價、民生與醫療物資供應及市場秩序之中長期影響與因應檢討，暨因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席那我們請主計長 |
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我們在去年十月的時候有通過這個強化經濟社會及民生國安認証特別預算那這個預算應該是有這個5447億那這個預算通過之後呢 那其實我們有預留200億253億是屬於一個彈性的額度嘛 對不對 |
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我現在就請教一下主席長因為現在我們面對中東戰事我們政府其實有很多處理的機制在有油價雙還帳的機制就是我們有亞林最低價 油價平穩措施中油目前也吸收了大概107億左右 |
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然後我們還有稅負的減徵稅負減徵包含這個我們的汽柴油的貨物稅關鍵原物料的這個負稅還有這個桶裝瓦式的貨物稅減徵然後還有民生的這個價格也動漲比如說我們的這個電價還有這個天然氣等等還有包含這個公共運輸的票價等等那我是想請教就是說因為我們這個預算是這個韌性特別預算那這次遇到這個中東三十這個 |
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你說253,257億,是不是?253,彈性運用的,那可以運用到這次的中東戰事嗎?比如說受到影響的各行各業,那我剛才講了這麼多政府的這些補貼的措施 |
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我這個案子我也之前就因為這253可不可以用這個我們就做討論過然後我們也跟部會討論討論它裡面的一些項目可不可以容納他說不行所以如果說這些項目要放進去那必須辦理 |
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這個條例的一個修正那條例修正之後呢我們再把這253億辦理追加預算因為這253億並沒有在預算裡面所以你要用也是要再透列預算第一個要修正 |
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這253億不是就在我們這個整個特別預算裡面沒有 他就沒有編列預算他5,770他條例5,770但是編列預算只編列5,447億所以253億是沒有編列預算的所以這就是剩餘但是你如果要用還要再編列預算第二個還必須條例裡面有這相關的內容才可以這樣 |
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所以就是說我們現在已經通過了這個預算裡面如果我剛才講的那些補貼措施也沒辦法用到就對了因為我們這次是應付美國的關稅嘛然後這次是運動中東的戰事嘛沒有辦法用目前只有那個衛福部表示他兩百億的部分可以其他單位大部分都不行尤其是經濟部我們請他去過濾他說這個不行所以必須要另外修改條例或者是辦追加減預算 |
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好 那我現在請問一下這個主席長那我剛才講了這麼多政府的一些補貼的措施你有沒有想過到下半年度這些預算因為這個還是屬於這個政府的預算嘛你不管是董事長 那董事長你可能這個補貼最後還是要編預算嘛比如說終於他也編了這個這個增資預算等等你有沒有算過說這些預算大概需要多少錢有沒有 有沒有一個統計 |
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我們目前目前就是請各單位統計如果繼續延長這樣子的話大概是他們提出需求是1292億那裡面有包括經濟部中油公司的741億 能源署的還有 |
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台電公司的300億這些等等包括交通部85億 農業部56億這些等那加起來遠遠超過我們剛剛所說的不夠不夠所以我們如果要的話就必須第一個再弄一個特別條例然後再 |
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辦一個特別的預算針對這一個部分來做一個辦理一個預算的一個部分條例通過之後我們就辦理預算然後第二個再籌措裁員所以我剛好就是要問主席講這件事情因為我們因應這個美國關稅我們有一個特別預算特別條例嘛五千多億嘛那現在因應中東戰事那我們剛剛政府也做了這麼多穩定物價或是補貼民生的一些這些措施那當然需要錢 |
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那你剛算過說大概需要一千快將近一千三百億對那所以說是不是我們接下來為了因應中東戰事那我們是不是也提出類似這一種特別條例然後再編一個特別運算因為各行各業都受到影響啊是所以這個部門請願你來做財事好不好跟業務單位就是相關的部門提出需求然後由行政院來做財事所以 |
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主計長你認為說有這個需要跟這個必須性就是說提出這一個特別條例然後不需要提出這樣或者是說我們直接辦追加預算直接辦追加預算好那辦追加預算總預算也還沒通過啊對追加預算就是卡在就是說總預算沒有通過所以我們才會說那是用還是用特別條例總預算沒有通過總預算沒有通過你怎麼辦追加預算所以難度就在這裡是好 |
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那看起來就是說這個總預算不知道啦那可是就是說至少在總計在主席長的想法裡面也希望說因應這次的重重預算是我們再編一個特別條例然後編一個特別預算至少剛剛各部會會籍過來大概也需要一千三百億左右是好那我接下來再請教一下主席長請回我選這個經濟部經濟部今天是次長來嘛來次長好來謝謝 |
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你們有一個塑膠袋的評價專案嘛那大家也很關心就是說我們希望每個月增加大概12.5億個塑膠袋所以說這個計畫現在已經開始做了嗎 |
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已經開始做了,中油在3月31號釋清開爐生產而4月10號也把生產的這個乙烯送到下游的台塑公司因為台塑公司在生產塑膠粒,這些都已經在做了那所以這個12.5億個塑膠袋是哪時候會出來? |
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大概這禮拜因為他還要做品管混裝還有包裝這個部分那基本上還沒出來之前事實上我們的產發署已經媒合了差不多是20家的廠商針對於現有的所謂的他掌握到的塑膠力的部分已經在加量在生產 |
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435.194 |
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460.784 |
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那次長這個請教一下因為現在這個媒體有質疑說這個塑膠袋就算你們做出來有增加12.5億那這個售價也會漲大概三成左右沒有我們透過我們經濟部的協調包括台塑公司以及上游的乙烯的供應者中游公司我們是用平價的專案所以塑膠袋也不會漲 |
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462.481 |
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479.577 |
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現在的話我們用評價的專案來做供應所以這個跟現在市面上所大家謠傳的現在或是實質上面的那個實質上的漲幅是有很大的差距的這是一個評價那上游原料漲當然中游也有吸收啦 |
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480.998 |
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504.026 |
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因為你如果原來有漲然後你現在送給中油請台塑台聚去做中油吸收最主要的是最上游的最上游原油包括氫油的這些進口重點就在於說塑膠袋不會漲就對了這個部分我們用評價的方式來供應因為契約的內容我們有看到是屬於那第二個就是買得到塑膠袋了 |
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505.509 |
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可以買得到,那買不到的話,我們所謂商發署,事實上它也有一個群組或是電話都訪談大概4月1號商發署就針對於全國350個商圈逐一的去訪視啊那若是大家也因為有些存貨不足啊,或是說有一些不足的狀況我們商發署很快的透過這些平台來補足貨源 |
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530.006 |
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547.996 |
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好 就是要求經濟部第一個 塑膠袋不要漲價然後能夠供應給我們的這一個不管你是攤商或是說你是在這個店家等等塑膠袋不要缺那第二個 塑膠袋也不要漲價不要漲價不要缺 這經濟部能做到嗎 |
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548.943 |
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569.833 |
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我們現在透過專案的增產的5000噸的這個部分用平價了那至於一般的這個塑膠袋它各個生產商很多這個部分我們還是會透過包括聯合的茶具的這個小組來去促進這個所謂你剛剛所謂的這個塑膠袋的這個穩定措施 |
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好 那我有一個問題 剛剛這個委員也有提到這個因應這個油價 這個高漲 那其實我們就是採中油吸收的這個方式嘛 |
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581.923 |
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那韓國它是編了這個6.1兆韓元大概1356億的這個高油價受害資源金不過它這個是特別針對這個低收入戶啦它還有分這個首都圈非首都圈的區別等等那反正它不是全部啦它就是針對這個低收入戶然後次長您的說法就是說因為我們現在有亞聯最低價跟專案平穩的這個機制所以 |
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這個不用韓國這一套我們現在這個機制就可以處理好就對了 |
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在經濟部的立場是促進能源的進口的數量的穩定還有價格的這個平穩那過去的幾週我們都做到這一些那以目前為止的話綜合公司在油品的吸收107.3億元左右那我們持續的透過這些的機制來維持這個油價的一個穩定那除此之外的話事實上包括剛剛委員也提到了貨物稅的減徵甚至是液化石油器 |
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我最後再問一個問題我請這個國發會我們的高副主委我簡短的問副主委有知道這個韓國的這個政策嗎是那國發會的評估勒 |
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我覺得韓國的政策跟我們的政策事實上是不同的approach那我們先把國際油價 油氣價格的上漲我們先用我們中油吸收的方式來阻斷所以它其實到後面的對民生物價的影響其實是相對的微輕的從我們第一季的CPI可以看出來我們只有1.23原本1.3百來高 |
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所以事實上他們在油價的吸收裡面他幾乎就是相對來輕微所以他用後面來補貼的方式來做所以我覺得因為物價有一個向下的僵固性我們希望從前頭阻斷了以後物價不會上來不要讓物價上來以後我們再用錢去補貼那些受害物價受害的一些群體跟群眾 |
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OK 好 那我知道好 謝謝主席 謝謝 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:37:03.665000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，請主計長。 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-13T11:37:04.887000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-13T11:37:09.134500+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:37:09.134500+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:37:13.382000+08:00 |
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主計長好。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:37:13.382000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:37:21.084000+08:00 |
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我們在去年10月的時候通過強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算，這筆預算應該是有5,447億，在預算通過之後，其實我們有預留200億……253億。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:37:21.084000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:37:21.984000+08:00 |
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這253億是屬於彈性的額度，對不對？是。 |
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0.786 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:37:35.887000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:38:18.299000+08:00 |
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我現在就請教一下主計長，因為現在我們面對中東戰事，其實我們政府有很多的處理機制，包括油價雙緩漲的機制，就是我們有亞鄰最低價及油價平穩措施，中油目前也吸收了大概107億左右，另外我們還有稅賦減徵，包含汽、柴油的貨物稅、關鍵原物料的賦稅，桶裝瓦斯的貨物稅也減徵；然後還有民生的價格也凍漲，譬如電價、天然氣、公共運輸的票價等等。 |
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0.874 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:38:18.999000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:38:31.648000+08:00 |
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我想請教，因為這個預算是韌性特別預算，這次遇到中東戰事，你說257億，是不是？253億。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:38:33.890000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:38:37.513000+08:00 |
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253億彈性運用的部分可以運用到這次的中東戰事嗎？ |
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0.857 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:38:37.513000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:38:42.517000+08:00 |
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比如受到影響的各行各業，我剛才講了這麼多政府的補貼措施。 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-13T11:38:44.322000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:38:56.426000+08:00 |
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關於這個案子，之前針對這253億可不可以用，我們就討論過，我們也跟部會討論它裡面的一些項目可不可以容納，他們說不行。 |
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0.88 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-13T11:38:56.987000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:39:16.386000+08:00 |
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所以如果這些項目要放進去，必須辦理這個條例的修正，條例修正之後，我們再把這253億辦理追加預算，因為這253億並沒有在預算裡面，所以要用也是要再透列預算，第一個要修正…… |
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1 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:39:17.366000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:39:19.107000+08:00 |
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這253億不是就在整個特別預算裡面？ |
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1 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-13T11:39:19.447000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:39:28.451000+08:00 |
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沒有、沒有，它就沒有編列預算，這個條例列了5,770億，但是編列預算只編列5,447億，而253億是沒有編列預算的，所以這就是賸餘，但是如果要用，還要再編列預算；第二個，還必須條例裡面有相關的內容才可以。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:39:41.157000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:39:47.202000+08:00 |
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也就是說，我們現在已經通過的預算裡面，比如我剛才講的那些補貼措施也沒辦法用到就對了？對。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:39:47.342000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:39:53.006000+08:00 |
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因為上次是應付美國的關稅，然後這次是應付中東的戰事，沒辦法用？ |
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0.893 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-13T11:39:53.446000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:40:08.777000+08:00 |
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對，目前只有衛福部表示他們200億的部分可以，其他單位大部分都不行，尤其是經濟部，我們請他們去過濾，他們說不行，所以必須要另外修改條例或者是辦追加減預算。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:40:10.158000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:40:32.214000+08:00 |
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好，我再請問一下主計長，我剛才講了這麼多政府的補貼措施，你有沒有想過，到下半年度這些預算……因為這個還是屬於政府的預算，不管是凍漲，這些補貼最後還是要編預算，比如中油也編了增資的預算等等，你有沒有算過這些預算大概需要多少錢？ |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:40:32.214000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:40:32.494000+08:00 |
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有沒有一個統計？ |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-13T11:40:37.410000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:01.276000+08:00 |
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我們目前就是請各單位統計，如果繼續延長的話，他們提出的需求是1,292億，裡面包括經濟部中油公司的741億、能源署的，還有台電公司的300億等等，包括交通部85億、農業部56億，這些加起來遠遠超過我們剛剛所說的兩百…… |
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0.941 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:01.276000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:02.276000+08:00 |
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所以也不夠？ |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:01.436000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:01.796000+08:00 |
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不夠、不夠，所以我們如果…… |
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1 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:01.796000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:02.796000+08:00 |
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所以我的……主計長，請講。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：我們如果要的話，就必須 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:02.156000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:26.590000+08:00 |
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第一個，再弄一個特別條例，然後再編一個特別的預算，針對這個部分來辦理預算，條例通過之後，我們就辦理預算；第二個，再籌措財源。 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:28.211000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:58.129000+08:00 |
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我剛好就要問主計長這件事情，因為因應美國關稅，我們有一個特別條例、特別預算五千多億，現在為了因應中東戰事，剛剛說到政府也做了這麼多穩定物價或是補貼民生的措施，當然需要錢，你剛才算過，大概需要將近1,300億，所以接下來為了因應中東戰事，我們是不是也提出類似這種特別條例，然後再編一個特別預算，因為各行各業都受到影響？ |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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2026-04-13T11:41:58.570000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:07.355000+08:00 |
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是，所以就這個部分，我們請院裡頭裁示，請業務單位、相關的部門提出需求，然後由行政院裁示。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:08.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:15.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
所以主計長認為有需要跟必須性提出這個特別條例…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:15.530000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:19.332000+08:00 |
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必須要提出這樣，或者是我們直接辦追加預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:19.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:21.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
直接辦追加預算？是。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:21.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:23.433000+08:00 |
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你說辦追加預算，但是總預算也還沒通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:24.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:32.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
對，追加預算就是卡在總預算沒有通過，所以我們才會說還是用特別條例。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:33.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:36.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
對，總預算就沒有通過，怎麼辦追加預算？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:37.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:38.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
所以難度就在這裡。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:39.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:57.070000+08:00 |
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看起來總預算不知道，可是至少在主計長的想法裡面，也希望因應這次中東戰事，我們再編一個特別條例，然後編列特別預算，至少剛剛各部會彙集過來，大概也需要1,300億左右？是。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:57.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-13T11:42:58.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
好，主計長請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-13T11:42:58.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:04.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
接下來我想請教經濟部，經濟部今天是次長來，請賴次長，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:04.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:08.744500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
慢慢來就好，沒關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:08.744500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:12.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:12.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:22.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
你們有一個塑膠袋的平價專案，大家也很關心，希望每個月增加大概12.5億個塑膠袋，這個計畫現在已經開始做了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:27.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:43.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
已經開始做了，中油在3月31號四輕開爐生產，4月10號也把生產的乙烯送到下游的台塑公司，因為台塑公司在生產塑膠粒，這些都已經在做了。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:44.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-13T11:43:46.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
所以這12.5億個塑膠袋是哪時候會出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-13T11:43:49.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:08.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
大概這禮拜，因為還要做品管、混裝、還有包裝的部分，基本上還沒出來之前，事實上我們產發署已經媒合了差不多20家的廠商，針對現有掌握到的塑膠粒部分已經在加量生產。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:09.334000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:20.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
次長，請教一下，現在媒體質疑就算你們做出來的塑膠袋有增加12.5億個，售價也會漲大概三成左右。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:22.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:32.683000+08:00 |
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沒有，透過我們經濟部的協調，包括台塑公司及上游的乙烯供應者、中油公司，我們是用平價的專案。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:33.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:34.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
所以塑膠袋也不會漲？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:36.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:51.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
現在的話，我們用平價的專案來做供應，所以這個跟現在市面上大家謠傳的或是實質上的漲幅是有很大差距的，這是一個平價的供應…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:51.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-13T11:44:53.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
上游原料漲，當然中油也有吸收，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-13T11:44:54.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:00.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
因為如果原料有漲，現在送給中油，請台塑、台聚去做，當然…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:01.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:07.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
中油吸收最主要是最上游的，包括原油、輕油的進口。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:07.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:09.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
重點就在於塑膠袋不會漲就對了？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:10.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:15.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
這個部分我們用平價的方式來供應，因為契約的內容我沒有看到是屬於…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:15.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:18.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
第二個就是買得到塑膠袋了？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:19.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-13T11:45:42.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
可以買得到，買不到的話，商發署事實上也有一個群組或是電話訪談，大概4月1號商發署就針對全國350個商圈逐一地去訪視，若是大家因為有些存貨不足或是有一些不足的狀況，我們商發署會很快地透過這些平臺來補足貨源。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
李委員坤城：我要求經濟部 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-13T11:45:46.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-13T11:46:00.595000+08:00 |
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第一個，塑膠袋不要漲價，能夠供應給不管是攤商或是店家等等，塑膠袋不要缺；第二個，塑膠袋也不要漲價。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
李委員坤城：我要求經濟部 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-13T11:46:00.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-13T11:46:01.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
不要漲價、不要缺，經濟部能做到嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-13T11:46:02.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-13T11:46:24.253000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們現在透過專案增產的5,000噸部分是用平價的，至於一般的塑膠袋，各個生產商很多，這個部分我們還是會透過包括聯合查緝小組去促進你剛剛所謂的塑膠袋穩定措施。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-13T11:46:24.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-13T11:46:56.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我有一個問題，剛剛也有委員提到，因應油價高漲，其實我們就是採中油吸收的方式，韓國則是編了6.1兆韓元（大概1,356億臺幣）的高油價受害支援金，不過這個是特別針對低收入戶，還有分首都圈、非首都圈的區別等等，反正不是全部，而是針對低收入戶。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-13T11:46:56.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-13T11:47:06.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
次長您的說法是，因為我們現在有亞鄰最低價跟專案平穩的機制，所以不用韓國這一套，我們現在這個機制可以處理好就對了？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-13T11:47:07.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-13T11:47:15.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
經濟部的立場是促進能源進口數量的穩定及價格的平穩，過去幾週我們都有做到這些。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-13T11:47:16.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-13T11:47:35.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
目前為止中油公司在油品的吸收達到107.3億元左右，我們持續透過這些機制來維持油價的穩定，除此之外，事實上剛剛委員也提到貨物稅的減徵，甚至液化石油氣都有減徵。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-13T11:47:35.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-13T11:47:38.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我最後再問一個問題，請國發會高副主委，我簡短地問。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-13T11:47:38.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-13T11:47:39.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-13T11:47:38.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-13T11:47:39.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
副主委，你知道韓國這個政策？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-13T11:47:39.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-13T11:47:39.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
國發會的評估呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-13T11:47:57.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-13T11:48:20.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
我覺得韓國的政策跟我們的政策事實上是不同的approach，我們先把國際油氣價格的上漲用中油吸收的方式來阻斷，所以到後面對民生物價的影響其實是相對輕微，從第一季的CPI可以看得出來，我們只有1.23%，原本會比1.23%還高。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:20.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-13T11:48:23.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
是有達到那個成效啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:23.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-13T11:48:31.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
對，事實上他們在油價的吸收裡面，幾乎就相對來得輕微，所以他用後面補貼的方式來做。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:32.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-13T11:48:47.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我覺得因為物價有一個向下的僵固性，我們希望從前頭阻斷讓物價不會上來，不要物價上來以後我們再用錢去補貼那些因物價而受害的群體跟群眾。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:48.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-13T11:48:50.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
OK，我知道了，謝謝主席、謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:50.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-13T11:48:53.693143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
李坤城委員的質詢結束。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-13T11:48:53.993143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-13T11:48:56.564571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
接下來請林思銘委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |