| IVOD_ID |
168469 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168469 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T10:51:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T11:00:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e17558682b78e1e4ba413783e2c4a522d3aa0fde58f0e31cf28b382dd59e615ff75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:51:41 - 11:00:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席主席有請我們陳主委有請我們陳主委 |
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委員長 主委早 主委首先還是要和您討論和確認我們國家的基礎建設所需要的基礎關鍵資材剛剛有很多委員 包括徐副會委員也有提到也就是濾清雖然看起來只是一般的材料 可是也是關乎到國人的日常生活道路維護 |
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那我們現在的情況是台灣正面臨國際原物料的波動還有國內產能供給調整的雙重佳績所以想要先請問主委那這樣子的雙重因素兩個因素加在一起會不會影響接下來的公共工程的正常執行呢這個 |
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因為是戰爭嘛所以引起的原油進來台灣受限所以導致柏油減產那濾清就少所以公共工程委內也發函那麼也發新聞稿像這樣的因素導致你的成本增加那麼雙方就主辦機關跟這個業者可以做物調主委您現在掌握到他漲幅的程度是多少實際漲幅我請這個我們來說明 |
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這個是之前的資料啦 是那麼北部漲幅大概14%中部漲幅10%那麼南部漲幅16%東部漲幅13%這個是 應該這個資料你們說到的這些漲幅都是在20%以內那目前它公會 立慶公會它有表示已經上漲35%了嘛 |
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那我也有特別看到經濟部說目前的存量可以到五月底如果後續順利的話就是可以延長至六月那行政院也有表示他會優先供應緊急重大的工程那這邊還是要請教主委喔那我們現行的處理方式還是事後才來申請嗎 |
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我們先行的制度就是等廠商來申請然後等價格他反映了他的指數反映之後才再來調整這個就是禮約的過禮約的協調啦所以我們也同意說公共工程的方面是要能夠做物調啦我整個量跟委員說明台穗化的紫光是中塑那邊還有四萬五千噸的庫存那 |
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所以這個對工程會來說是安全的庫存量嗎對 中碩他也會停止就是國外契約供應商的需求會優先提供國內那台灣中油他會去採購現貨 |
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所以根據我得到的資料,這個台塑化它也增加了生產的比例所以目前是沒有問題,柏油的供應是沒有問題的現在主委的說明,不過還是要請問主委一個問題你們有沒有去跨部會然後進行協商機制將公共工程用的瀝青把它列為優先的配收物質瀝青,是公共工程用的瀝青 |
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這個就看合約啦所以我們初步了解是沒有問題那我下午也會再召集另外一次協商啦那比較確定各部會還有這個相關供應商那麼對於柏油力清的供應的狀況 |
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請主委去做深度的討論那這邊美心也想要請教主委是不是可以建立一個自動觸發的調整機制針對這些高波動像是力清因為我也看到在去年114在114年的時候力清它的關鍵原料像是柏油還有它的燃料有受到國際能源的波動它曾經一度漲幅到20%那它每噸是1.25萬台幣那我這邊想請問你們最新在網站上面公告的價格是多少 |
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跟委員報告 那我們濾清混凝土的價格那我們根據查的歷史資料來查的話應該是說一直到今年二月其實價格都差不多那唯一有一個波動是到那個就是我想要問的問題因為你們最新公布的資料到二月二十八為什麼只有到二月二十八號但是三月份的話我們是最近才要公布最近什麼時候才會公布 |
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我們大概最近這個禮拜就會這個禮拜就會公佈這個禮拜才會公佈三月那我們觀察到這個波動其實真的就是今年的三月相較於二月以前他的波動就是剛剛主委跟您說明的那幾個幅度確實是在20%那現在剛剛主委也曾經也說明過其實根據經濟部所掌握的這個瀝青油的 |
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那沒關係 那我再來請教主委主委您應該說不會影響國內的重大公共建設嗎還有公共工程嗎所以供應量是沒有問題 那麼行政院呢副院長也是每個禮拜召開那麼這些有關的那同時 因為中油公司他也把他產能轉向高他高價值的油品那三月也對例行開市進行管控了那這樣子也會導致地方政府的工程也會連帶送餘下因為我看到平均進場施工的時間拉到二到四週拉長到二到四週 |
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就是我們把它簡單來區分了就是關於禮約的問題將來會到工程會來諮詢或者是協商那工程會都同意那麼支持物條那主委您要特別留意喔因為現在目前桃園就已經有工程包商他們表示因為買不到料而要他們就是說先申請暫時停工喔那我們不希望等到時候全國的道路也連帶的受影響因為我跟委員報告就是目前掌握的狀況不會有供應沒有問題啦 |
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國際情勢兩個來源,台灣中油跟台塑化,台灣中油也在購買現貨接下來進入汛期,如果很不幸的風災還是颱風,道路鋪面受到影響 |
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所以行政院一直在掌控相關的民生物資的價格 包括濾青每個禮拜都會開一次會大型的捷運工程他近年也淪為營造市場的高風險標案甚至是拒絕往來戶 你有沒有意識到這個問題 |
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土方呢是土方的這個方案已經30多年了那過去設置土資場然後到土資場之後篩分之後分成有加料去做其他使用或者是廢棄物或者是進行加工但是土資場的量事實上是現實上它是不夠容納那麼多土方的啦 |
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土坊也是集中一環嘛所有的土地產把它加起來 |
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所有的土方根本量比那個超過很多那些東西到哪裡去了過去只是大家有一個灰色地帶土方是其中一環那我這邊也要跟主委提到那種本席舉例桃園的捷運工程延伸中立段它已經流標四次了今年又重新招標又流標已經總共第五次了那它的底價其實已經就是提高到將近八成可是還是沒有廠商願意投標你們在你們之前也有提到其實流標率是40%沒有錯吧那要怎麼來改善這個問題 |
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如果是因為土方的問題那土方的戰志或填海等等那麼內政部一直在努力當中除了內政部努力當中那工程會這邊針對廠商然後他們的意願你們要怎麼來就是協助他們工程會當然會協助內政部那麼就土方的機制土方土方的機制跟去處相關法規那麼我站在 |
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監證政委的身份讓某位持續在協調當中其實土方只是其中一個因素那當然就是缺工缺料整大環境的因素下造成就是工程會延宕然後還有流標嗎那這邊也要特別提醒主委那現在工程會的問題你們不是沒有制度而是你們的制度都是還是停留在低波動的時代那什麼時候你們會去正視這個問題就是把現在高波動的風險也納入你們的考量 |
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我們兩個方案嘛可以可以同意物條這是我們的主張嘛另外就供期的部分呢也希望說這個機關跟這個業者可以合意那麼也可以這個增加供期這是要解決目前這樣子的一個招標遇到困難的問題好那謝謝主委您的說明那也再請把最新的價格趕緊放在公共工程網的網站上面好謝謝 |