| IVOD_ID |
168467 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168467 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T10:18:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T10:29:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
陳清龍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:23 - 10:29:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 請我們陳金德陳主委好 請陳主委好 謝謝委員長好 主委長那這邊我們今天的一個報告我們最主要有很大的一個重點在討論到我們花蓮馬太安溪的財後重建 |
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那這個部分我想在報告裡面 主委這邊有一個簡要的說明那也告訴了我們可以在我們這個災後護院重建專區這樣的一個網頁網站裡面也可以來看到各項的計畫 |
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那從去年災害到現在我們看到的產出著冷看到民間的一個動力但是我看到我們的報告我們總共編列了270億的一個特別預算那目前八個部會提出了39項的計畫其實這些計畫 |
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我們現在報行政院來核准從網站的資料從報告的資料是4月2號才陸續核定所以我們現在在這個網頁重建專區裡面看到的也只有核准的公文跟核准的計畫那這個部分我跟你講那個不用急主委很簡單我 |
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需要我們工程會這邊把我們現在執行財後重建的各個計畫的進度可能目前碰到的一個狀況或困難需要怎麼樣來解決處理的這樣的一個報告一個資料能夠詳細的提供給本席就好好沒問題好不好一個禮拜之內好不好好沒問題好那就麻煩我們主委這邊 |
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第二個我想主委不只是我們工程會的主委也是我們的政務委員那對目前內政部國土署有關土方這樣的一個措施其實從年初宣布到現在問題已止了 |
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沒有解決 不解決啦 困難要趕快喔 困難要趕快那最重要的已經應用到我們地方的公共工程這個公共工程也包括我們中央這個營建的廢棄土 公共的廢棄土沒有出戶 沒出戶它延伸的這些土房不曉得要到哪裡去第二個 能夠處理的價格 |
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就標仗價格標仗那這個部分我想說影響到公共工程的一個部分那還有價格土方處理價格的標仗這樣的一個部分我們公共工程委員會這邊有沒有任何的一個因應的一個方式你來協調內政部有沒有協調各個地方政府有沒有來協調怎麼來處理第一個因應價格的一個 |
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這裡面就是說長期以來營建剩餘土石化跟營建剩餘廢棄物 |
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混著一起討論的所以營建生意土石方是可用的資源我認同我同意被誤解為廢棄物因為有夾雜一些比方說在營建過程當中的木材 塑膠那個才是廢棄物廢棄物就按照市內廢棄物處理營建生意土石方分了B1到B6 |
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所以我們過去的設計呢這個雲間剩餘土石房呢A到B嘛那它直接到C的時候那邊的相關規定比較嚴格啦就是說它能夠直接去去處啊 |
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這個西的去處不足不夠嘛不足還有一些法規法規的問題我附在這啦齁中間這整個去處的問題也困擾我們台中市嘛齁台中市最主要要放在台中港嘛比方說齁報告員 |
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比方說台中的土方 那個地方大概都是土石 沙灘啦那根本就是 那個根本是有用的東西啊對 所以呢 你如果把它當作是廢棄物來看待的話還要進土資場 然後再篩分 再出去是浪費一個時間所以那個是直接可以賣給砂石廠的對台中的了解 對台中土城的一個了解 |
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我欣佩主委 暫時怎麼樣還是要有去處啦那目前的一個方案就是要放在台中港那台中港的包括港務局跟台中市政府其實就港務局能夠 它是負責提供土地嘛 |
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整個那個土方的一個區處管理還有港區有很多他自己本身的限制條件包括你車要賣給他才有的這個大型車輛不能進入啦還有他有 |
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牽涉到南端跟北端嘛有的要換坪等等很多崗位要注意這個部分我們工程會這邊 政府這邊跟港務局跟台中市政府你們有合法的去合作嗎目前全部大概有台北港啦還有高雄 高雄港這本來就一個南興計畫我現在問你台中港啦你告訴我台中港 你不要告訴我台北港台中中部的部分喔 |
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台中港是一個新的天然氣接收站 |
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填海 這個要經過相關的計劃對 如果要填海 這些廢棄土能不能填海 這些相關規則我今天問你台中港這個問題就是說這牽涉到我們因為土方的處置新制的一個產生的影響現在推出來的方案就是暫除 |
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暫存在台中港那目前完全沒有進度嘛完全沒有進度嘛所以在這樣沒有進度的時候我也提出一個方案就是這個方案就是是不是公部門跟私部門可以直接來交換 |
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就是我們這裡有很多公共工程,我們也有民間的工程你曉得我主要說,台中的土豐,除了營建內置物,不要說整個土豐開發下去都是好的歷史、好的材料如果我們公共工程有需要,民間的營建工程要有它的出入,是不是啊? |
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可以來中介來做這樣的平台就是公部門跟私部門 不用說是吸直接需求跟供給能夠直接來出平台公對私 公對公 私對私 一步一步來做這樣可以生很多成本 而且直接來協助解決而且這樣的一個方案 就有從媒體的一個報導 |
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我看到台南目前就這樣做 他們有發布新聞稿 他們這樣做如果台南這樣做 我們工程會也OK 大家都OK是不是專攻 有機會來這樣做這個就是去土跟虛土機關的交換 |
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這個交換本的制度就存在那各縣市政府呢他也可以成立土方銀行來收或者是去化這個是也是地方政府就台中市來講我有知道我們有供應的利益就是那個供應的土資廠對土資廠但是就沒辦法根本解決問題嘛我現在提出的就是說由 |
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由政府 地方政府 那跟我們中央這邊啊大家一起來推動 讓他變一個 一個很好的制度化 |
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我們會期待是這樣嘛,台南都OK啊,我們潮州澳門、台南都做到這麼好,是不是有機會?好,另外一個重點就是潮州澳門,我們有聽到魯明哲議員有提到濾清的問題嘛,濾清的問題也牽涉到我們地方的公共工程,不是跟你同樣的 |
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大型的公共工程,地方的小型工程啊,給人家齁,我過去齁,我以後來日本人啊,能夠爲成更野岸,肯定更野岸,在台中市中更野岸,真的沒想到多少問題都說,哎,委員,真的你錢有問題啊,土方,不只沒氣出, |
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所有地方基層基礎的建設全部停頓 |
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現在我們工程會這邊可以跟各縣市政府來協助跟輔導啦從我們對衡的建設 需要的什麼 跟我們租住投放的問題都可以跟我們順利來開闊好 謝謝主委 |
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謝謝主席，請陳金德主委。 |
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2026-04-13T10:18:33.977000+08:00 |
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請陳主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-13T10:18:34.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-13T10:18:34.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
委員早。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-13T10:18:34.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-13T10:18:34.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
主委早。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-13T10:18:34.957000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-13T10:19:15.440000+08:00 |
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今天的報告最主要有很大的一個重點，就是討論花蓮馬太鞍溪的災後重建，這個部分主委在報告裡面有簡要說明，也告訴我們可以在災後復原重建專區網站裡面看到各項計畫。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.89 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-13T10:19:23.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-13T10:20:29.323000+08:00 |
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從去年發生災害到現在，我們看到了鏟子超人，看到民間的動力，我看到報告裡面說總共編列270億特別預算，目前8個部會提出39項子計畫，這些計畫要報行政院核准，從網站的資料、從報告的資料看到是4月2日才陸續核定，所以我們現在在網頁重建專區裡面看到的，也只有核准公文跟核准計畫，這個部分，我跟你講不用急，主委很簡單，我需要工程會把現在執行災後重建的各個計畫進度、目前可能碰到的狀況或困難、需要如何解決處理的報告跟資料，能夠詳細地提供給本席就好，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-13T10:20:29.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-13T10:20:29.923000+08:00 |
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好，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-13T10:20:30.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-13T10:20:31.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
一個禮拜之內，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-13T10:20:31.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-13T10:20:32.384000+08:00 |
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好，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-13T10:20:32.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-13T10:20:34.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
好，那就麻煩主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-13T10:20:36.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-13T10:21:48.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
接下來，我想主委不只是工程會主委，也是我們的政務委員，對目前內政部國土署有關土方的措施，其實從年初宣布到現在問題一直沒有解決，困難仍然一樣，最重要的是已經影響到地方的公共工程，也包括中央的公共工程，營建的廢棄土、公共的廢棄土沒有出路，其衍生的這些土方不曉得要到哪裡去，其次就是能夠處理的價格飆漲，關於影響到公共工程及土方處理價格飆漲，公共工程委員會有沒有任何的因應方式，與內政部跟各地方政府有沒有協調怎麼來處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-13T10:21:48.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-13T10:21:52.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
其一，因應價格的上漲；其二，土方沒有地方去，那怎麼來處理，是不是請主委做個報告？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.206 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-13T10:21:52.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-13T10:22:13.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
報告委員，長期以來，營建剩餘土石方跟營建剩餘廢棄物被混著一起討論了，營建剩餘土石方是可用的資源…… |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.795 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-13T10:22:14.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-13T10:22:15.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
對，我認同、我同意。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-13T10:22:15.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-13T10:22:16.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
被誤解為廢棄物。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-13T10:22:17.288000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-13T10:22:29.656000+08:00 |
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有夾雜一些，比方說，在營建過程當中的木材、塑膠，那個才是廢棄物，廢棄物就按照事業廢棄物處理，營建剩餘土石方分成B1到B6，那是有用的資源，是可以去化的。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.723 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-13T10:22:29.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-13T10:22:31.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
主委，我瞭解，所以我們才會有A、B、C，所以我們才希望在B的暫置場可不可以做一些處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-13T10:22:31.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-13T10:22:34.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
所以我們過去的設計，營建剩餘土石方A到B嘛！對！ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-13T10:22:34.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-13T10:22:36.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
當它直接到C的時候，那邊的相關規定比較嚴格…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-13T10:22:36.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-13T10:22:37.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
現在就是A、B、C，A到B、B到C。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.154 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-13T10:22:37.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:02.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
就是它能夠直接去化的去處…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:02.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:03.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
現在A到C，C就有問題嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.071 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:02.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:03.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
C的去處不夠嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:03.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:04.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
不足，還有一些法規也在…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:04.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:07.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
法規的問題，整個去處的問題也困擾臺中市，臺中市最主要的是放到臺中港…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:07.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:19.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
報告委員，比方說臺中的土方，那個地方大概都是土石、砂石，是有石頭的…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.724 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:19.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:20.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
砂石是資源、很好用耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:20.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:20.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
那是礫石。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:20.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:20.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
那個根本就是有用的東西。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:20.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:21.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
那是資材喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:21.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:22.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
這很好用喔！對！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:21.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:21.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
所以如果把它當作是廢棄物來看待的話，還要進土資場，再篩分、再出去，那是浪費時間…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:21.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:22.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我瞭解，所以感謝主委…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:21.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-13T10:23:22.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
那個是直接可以賣給砂石場的。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-13T10:23:22.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-13T10:24:29.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我欽佩主委對臺中土方的瞭解，但還是要有去處，目前的方案就是放在臺中港，包括港務局跟臺中市政府，其實港務局是負責提供土地，對整個土方的去處管理，還有港區有很多本身的限制條件，包括大型柴油車輛不能進入港區，還有牽涉到南端跟北端有的要環評等等，很多工作有待處理，這部分工程會、內政部跟港務局、臺中市政府有好好去協調嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-13T10:24:29.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-13T10:24:30.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
你們有合作處理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-13T10:24:30.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-13T10:24:37.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
目前全國大概有臺北港還有高雄港，高雄港本來就有南星計畫…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-13T10:24:37.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-13T10:24:41.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我現在是問臺中港，請你跟我說臺中港的，你不要跟我談臺北，講臺中港的，好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-13T10:24:41.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-13T10:24:42.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
因為中部的土方不可能運到臺北嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-13T10:24:41.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-13T10:24:42.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
中部的部分，有彰濱工業區那邊…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.385 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-13T10:24:42.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-13T10:24:44.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
你現在跟我提彰濱，彰濱沒有問題，我知道…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-13T10:24:44.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-13T10:25:04.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
臺中港是有新的天然氣接收站需要填海，這個要經過相關的計畫。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-13T10:25:04.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-13T10:25:08.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
主委，如果要填海，就相關規定，這些廢棄土能不能填海，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-13T10:25:10.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-13T10:25:29.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我現在問你臺中港的問題，就是這牽涉到新制影響土方的處置，現在推出的方案就是暫存在臺中港，目前完全沒有進度嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-13T10:25:32.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-13T10:26:36.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
在沒有進度的時候，我也提出一個方案，是不是公部門跟私部門可以直接交換，就是我們現在有很多公共工程，我們也有民間的工程，剛剛主委也說臺中的土方，除了民間廢棄物不要說，整個土方開發下去都是好的礫石、好的材料，如果我們公共工程有需要，民間的營建工程要有出路，是不是可以來中介做這樣的平臺，即公部門跟私部門的土方不用放到B、C，而是根據需求和供給，直接來做成平臺，公對私、公對公、私對私，一步一步來做，這樣可以節省很多成本，而且直接來協助解決。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-13T10:26:36.827000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-13T10:26:53.781000+08:00 |
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這樣的方案我從媒體報導看到臺南目前就是這樣做，它有發布新聞稿，如果臺南是這樣做，工程會也OK，大家都OK，是不是全國也有機會這樣處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-13T10:26:54.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-13T10:26:57.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這個是去土跟需土機關的交換。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-13T10:26:58.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-13T10:27:06.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
這個交換制度本來就存在，各縣市政府也可以成立土方銀行來收或者是去化，這個也是…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-13T10:27:06.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-13T10:27:12.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
地方政府，就臺中市來講，我也知道我們有公營的B，就是那個…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-13T10:27:12.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-13T10:27:13.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
公營的土資場。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-13T10:27:13.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-13T10:27:16.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
對，土資場，但是就沒辦法根本解決問題嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-13T10:27:17.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-13T10:27:32.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我現在提出的就是由地方政府跟中央大家一起來推動，讓它變成一個很好的制度，我們期待是這樣，臺南就OK啊！對吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-13T10:27:36.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-13T10:27:41.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
如剛剛討論到的臺南就做得很好，是不是有機會？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-13T10:27:41.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-13T10:27:41.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-13T10:27:41.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-13T10:27:42.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們會遵照委員的建議來推動。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-13T10:27:41.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-13T10:28:16.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
另外一個重點，就是剛剛我們有聽到徐富癸委員有提到瀝青的問題，瀝青的問題也牽涉到地方的公共工程，不是僅有中央大型的公共工程，地方的小型工程，過去我還沒來到立法院前，去年在臺中市政府建議的案子，目前遇到的問題都說：委員，現在不只土方沒去處，瀝青也有問題，所以土方沒去處、瀝青價格這些問題等等，整個地方基層、基礎的建設全部停頓。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.582 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-13T10:28:16.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-13T10:28:31.051500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我在這裡剛剛聽到主委說瀝青沒問題，價格上漲，包括土方漲，可以透過物價調整，讓工程費用可以調整嘛！沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.022 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-13T10:28:31.051500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-13T10:28:45.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
好，都可以嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-13T10:28:45.881000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-13T10:28:51.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
所以我在這裡期待工程會予以各縣市政府協助跟輔導，從地方建設需要的瀝青、現在遇到的土方問題都可以順利來解決，這樣好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳主任委員金德 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-13T10:28:51.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-13T10:28:52.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
可以、可以，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
陳委員清龍 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-13T10:28:51.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-13T10:28:51.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
好，謝謝主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
主席（徐委員富癸代） |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-13T10:28:51.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-13T10:28:54.403143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
謝謝陳清龍委員的質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
主席（徐委員富癸代） |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-13T10:28:54.703143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-13T10:28:58.417429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
接著我們請萬美玲委員來質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |