| IVOD_ID |
168454 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168454 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T10:35:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T10:47:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e123f1a72abe921b1fe63d9eaeca1783e3291cfc8066c9e4d9d3f0f74f1cb1674b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴惠員 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:52 - 10:47:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、衛生福利部、法務部就「中東衝突對能源、物價、民生與醫療物資供應及市場秩序之中長期影響與因應檢討，暨因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席我們請賴次長還有鍾游董事長 |
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兩位早安委員好我想前面有很多委員已經提到了就是說台灣目前面臨到的問題非常的多了尤其是中東的戰事這個升溫然後那個荷姆茲海峽的運輸受阻那我們碰到了更多的台灣能源高度的依賴進口 |
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其實很多很多的一個困境都不是單一的一個事件是一個結構性的一個風險可是台灣的能源跟民生的體系是不是可以承擔同時承受外部的一個衝擊那在這裡我想先跟中油董事長請教一下 |
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很多委員 中油董事長 次長讓中油董事長先回答我我想問中油董事長因為前面好幾個委員已經跟你請教過了我簡單的就是室友我就不再跟你就是再繞了一個大圈我再請教你就是說我們的油價什麼時候會上升會調升你預計什麼時候要調升 |
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跟委員報告我們現在油價下週的油價每一週的油價都是每一週去做個檢討根據這一週的油價原油價格的一個變化情形來去依據油價公式去做一個核算之後再做一個檢討對於下一週的油價要不要去做一些調整可能調漲可能調降 |
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所以你也沒有辦法就是回答我 但看現階段你下個星期可能就是說你要自行吸收你那個107億還是說你要繼續就是用現有的一個狀況就該調了就調 |
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報告委員我現在很難回答你這個問題因為你很難回答我這個問題因為這一周的原油價格還在好讓次長來回答中油已吸收超過了100億這個帳要算在誰身上要算在中央政府身上還是要算在中油身上是中油自己出還是中央政府自己出那我們講短時間中東的戰勢不會停止那如果我們再講的 |
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就是說你中油的說法他其實船隻是卡在荷姆茲海峽上短時間國內的就是國際的油價有沒有可能下滑市長你的看法呢 |
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第一個現在目前的這個狀況我剛剛有說明了上禮拜還94現在是102事實上每天變化非常的劇烈所以我們7D3B然後是針對於過去一週的平均的價格然後最後來做相關的核算那大概有兩個基準我們要維持雅齡最低價甚至是要專案 |
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的這個部分來平穩我們的國內的油價的市場所以針對於說下一週會不會漲我們要靠近一點我們才比較能觀察出這個趨勢第二點委員剛剛質詢裡面有提到能源的部分要增加這個韌性減少地緣政治的影響總統上任了之後接觸了二次能源轉型不管是多元綠能或是科技的儲能那這個都是我們的努力還有包括深度節能 |
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以3月為例的話 事實上我們現在的總用電量還比去年的同期還減少那這個就是因為 農業署的生活節能的那我知道困難非常多啦那我們從那個經濟部的書面報告裡頭我們也看到了就是5月底的調度已經全部準備好了那6月也完成了7成 那你甚至講到了9月9月的傳期都調度了很充足 |
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那我在這裡再請教你,像剛才那個林鄭華委員講的國應、國企、國管這個政策有沒有機會天然氣的這一個整套的一個計畫,還有卡著你卡著的這個荷姆茲海峽的兩萬桶那個原油會不會把它拿去當談判的一個籌碼? |
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只要回答我這些問題第一個不論是DES或是FORB都是國際的能源這個貿易市場上面經常用的運輸的方式那這個當然要搭配我們看看所謂的合約的組成跟自己國家的一個狀況那我 |
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以中東戰事剛開始為例當時2月28日之後因為整個市場比較大亂所以我們可以從亞洲地區來調貨那這些的調貨它並不是從FLV的這個船隻進來而DES的部分那你從哪邊調我們從東亞的一個市場東亞的一個市場那你這200萬桶的原油有沒有變成是一個談判的一個現貨徵購的一個籌碼 |
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200萬桶是指現在還求在波斯灣裡面未通過荷姆茲海峽中油公司所專門的200萬桶的貨輪那現在在停泊之中那中油公司每天都去聯繫船東看看荷姆茲海峽的通行的狀況那一旦荷姆茲海峽情勢緩和可以和平的通過的時候這艘船就可以通過 |
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不是他通過了你才可以用這些那國際談判的一個那個慣例的話事實上你迴避我好那不能講也沒有關係啦那個中央董事長你先請回那我請那個我們的主計總長還有我們央行的副總裁我想市長這個 |
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過去幾年美國因為大量的開採鹽油所以在這一次的中東戰事裡頭油價沒有受到太大的一個衝擊那其實在這裡是要跟你討論到的就是說我們其實一直就是集中在中東就是我們的鹽油一直集中在中東裡頭採購鹽油 |
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那所以就是說只要是中東有戰事的話我們的中油的價格就受到了受到了很大的一個影響反而是亞洲地區因為戰事的關係就是說他其實是分散了那我在這裡就是說經濟部有沒有考慮就是要把台灣的石油進口轉移到美國的一個採購那你剛才有講到了就是說在緊急的狀況其實我們還是有特別的辦法 |
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那總統在去年也宣布了就是說台灣將採購更多的美國的天然氣顯然有意擴大了台灣天然氣的一個進口的來源這個是一件好事情那同樣原油呢是不是美國會添購更多的那個台灣會添購更多的美國的石油市長有沒有這樣的一個準備 |
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謝謝委員的指導,確實荷姆治海峽的地緣政治的關係相當的敏感那我們近幾年來不管是現在受到中東戰事的影響我們也針對於美國的原油的量的部分也是有在增加那未來多元的能源的來源就是我們未來的方向不管是原油或是天然氣都是如此 |
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平穩物價基金其實我們從2022年的那個 |
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烏鴉戰爭開始到現在我們看到了歷年歷年就是說整體的一個地緣政治危機帶給台灣往往是物價就是高漲那高漲的時候你石油是馬上看得到了可是 |
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如果是葵花油大豆這些大宗物資的話中央政府面對的這些物價的一個問題通常我們給的解方都是有限的所以說在這裡跟央行特別請教有沒有機會因為我一直在講說你這個平穩物價基金你是要成立的你不能老是靠你的一個護稅護稅減稅的一個方式去來解決這些辦法那我想聽副總裁的一個說法 |
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報告委員因為所謂的物價平穩基金應該是由行政院來主導對那央行如果有需要的部分我們會再研議吧行政院來主導行政院一定會聽聽央行你有什麼樣的一個建議嗎 |
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因為報告委員因為您今天剛扔出這個議題我自己對這個問題我上個上三頁的時候就問了你們總裁啦那你們總裁再跟總裁總裁講答這個問題不關央行的事情央行只管貨幣是嗎如果央行的責任只有這麼簡單的話只是那個機制的本身可能不合適由央行來主導啦好 |
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就是再一次跟副總裁再提醒不斷的提醒那個央行是有這樣的一個責任的副總裁你請回我想就是行政院的解方還是從那個烏鵝戰爭那一套留下來的 |
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就是持續的護稅的一個減徵在次長我想這個也是讓你提醒你啦倒是主計長這一個減徵都已經很久了可是有沒有平穩地那個物價的功能你自己憑良心講主計長你自己憑良心講已經做了這麼久了 |
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以三月來講我們三月的整個物價才1.2所以它整個是影響不大所以真正要看四月那四月整個的部分我們整個的一個主席長我現在在提醒的就是說那如果我們用惡物戰爭在整體它的核心核心的一個CPI這樣子的一個算法來講的話其實在短期內它很快它很快它會超過2.0 |
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每個禮拜都在討論每個物價都對於針對物價的一個波動的問題包括你所謂的塑膠袋的問題包括所謂的瀝青的問題這個我們都有研究都有在討論研究的一個解決方法所以我們不會讓它物價的通膨再往上漲 |
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原則上是我們會有一些相關穩定的措施來做 |
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我每一次都是要再重複一次是我們絕對不要重演2022年不會這個歷史的經驗告訴我們是我跟你講要準備雖然你一直出來信心喊話我還是要再跟你提醒主席長沒有那麼樂觀這是副院長親自召集的物價穩定小組我都親自參加每次都親自參加是我還是覺得沒有那麼樂觀謝謝主席 謝謝大家謝謝賴慧雲 |
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賴委員惠員 |
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謝謝主席，我們請賴次長，還有中油董事長。 |
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賴次長建信 |
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1 |
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委員好。 |
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賴委員惠員 |
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兩位早安。 |
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賴委員惠員 |
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我想前面已經有很多委員提到了，臺灣目前面臨到的問題非常多，尤其是中東的戰事升溫及荷姆茲海峽的運輸受阻，臺灣能源高度的依賴進口，其實很多的困境都不是單一的事件，是一個結構性的風險，可是臺灣的能源跟民生體系是不是可以同時承受外部的衝擊？ |
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賴委員惠員 |
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在這裡我想先跟中油董事長請教一下，因為前面好幾個委員已經跟你請教過了，我簡單的說，事由我就不再跟你繞一個大圈，我請教你，我們的油價什麼時候會上升、會調升？ |
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賴委員惠員 |
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2026-04-13T10:37:13.796000+08:00 |
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你預計什麼時候要調升？ |
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方董事長振仁 |
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跟委員報告，下週的油價……每一週的油價都是每一週去做一個檢討，根據這一週原油價格的變化情形，依據油價公式去做一個核算，之後再做一個檢討，對於下一週的油價要不要去做一些調整，可能會調漲、可能會調降、可能維持…… |
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賴委員惠員 |
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所以你也沒有辦法回答我，那看現階段，你下個星期可能要自行吸收107億，還是你要繼續、就是用現有的一個狀況，該調的就調？ |
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方董事長振仁 |
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2026-04-13T10:38:01.549000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我現在很難回答你這個問題。 |
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賴委員惠員 |
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2026-04-13T10:38:04.310000+08:00 |
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你很難回答我這個問題？ |
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1 |
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方董事長振仁 |
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對，因為這一週的原油價格還在…… |
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賴委員惠員 |
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2026-04-13T10:38:07.452000+08:00 |
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好，讓次長來回答，中油已吸收超過了100億，這個帳要算在誰身上？ |
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1 |
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賴委員惠員 |
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2026-04-13T10:38:14.915000+08:00 |
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要算在中央政府身上，還是要算在中油身上？ |
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1 |
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賴委員惠員 |
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2026-04-13T10:38:19.177000+08:00 |
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是中油自己出，還是中央政府自己出？ |
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1 |
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賴委員惠員 |
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我們講短時間內，中東的戰事不會停止，依你中油的說法，其實船隻是卡在荷姆茲海峽上，短時間國際的油價有沒有可能下滑？ |
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0.941 |
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賴委員惠員 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
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次長，你的看法呢？ |
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0.857 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-04-13T10:38:42.209000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T10:39:14.206000+08:00 |
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第一個，目前的狀況我剛剛有說明了，上禮拜還是94，現在是102，事實上每天變化非常的劇烈，所以我們7D3B是針對於過去一週的平均價格，最後來做相關的核算，大概有兩個基準，我們要維持亞鄰最低價，甚至是要用專案的部分，來平穩國內油價的市場，所以針對下一週會不會漲，我們要很靠近一點，才比較能觀察出這個趨勢。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.962 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-04-13T10:39:14.206000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T10:39:42.459000+08:00 |
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第二點，委員剛剛質詢裡面有提到，能源的部分要增加韌性，減少地緣政治的影響，總統上任之後，揭櫫二次能源轉型，不管是多元綠能或是科技的儲能，這個都是我們要努力的，還有包括深度節能，以3月為例的話，事實上，我們現在的總用電量跟去年同期相比還減少，這個就是因為能源署深度節能的…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-13T10:39:42.879000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T10:39:58.865000+08:00 |
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次長，我知道困難非常多，我們從經濟部的書面報告裡頭，我們也看到了5月底的調度已經全部準備好了，6月也完成了7成，你甚至講到了9月的船期都調度得很充足。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-13T10:39:59.805000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-13T10:40:13.089000+08:00 |
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我再請教你，像剛才林岱樺委員提到的「國氣國運、國管」的政策，有沒有機會在這天然氣的整套計劃裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.732 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-13T10:40:13.089000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-13T10:40:21.691000+08:00 |
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還有卡在的荷姆茲海峽的200萬桶原油，會不會把它拿去當談判的籌碼？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-13T10:40:23.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-13T10:40:25.566000+08:00 |
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只要回答我這些問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
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2026-04-13T10:40:25.566000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T10:40:39.742000+08:00 |
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第一個，無論是DES或是FOB都是國際能源貿易市場上面經常用的運輸方式，這個當然要搭配所謂合約的組成，跟自己國家的狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-13T10:40:39.822000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T10:40:58.687000+08:00 |
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我以中東戰事剛開始為例，當時2月28日之後，因為整個市場比較亂，所以我們可以從亞洲地區來調貨，這些調貨並不是從FOB的船隻進來，而DES是離港的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-13T10:40:58.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-13T10:40:58.947000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
你從哪邊調？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-13T10:40:58.947000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-13T10:40:59.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
我們從東亞的一個市場…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-13T10:40:59.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-13T10:40:59.488000+08:00 |
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東亞的一個市場？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-13T10:40:59.588000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-13T10:41:01.728000+08:00 |
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這200萬桶的原油有沒有變成是一個談判現貨增購的籌碼？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-13T10:41:13.297000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-13T10:41:23.125000+08:00 |
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200萬桶是指現在還滯留在波斯灣裡未通過荷姆茲海峽，中油公司所裝滿200萬桶的貨輪。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-13T10:41:23.525000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-13T10:41:37.236000+08:00 |
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現在仍處於停泊狀態，中油公司每天都去聯繫船東，掌握荷姆茲海峽的通行狀況，一旦荷姆茲海峽情勢緩和，確認可以和平通過的時候，這艘船就可以通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-13T10:41:38.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-13T10:41:41.078000+08:00 |
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次長，不是它通過了，你才可以用這些。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-13T10:41:42.699000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-13T10:41:50.082000+08:00 |
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國際間談判的慣例，事實上你迴避我的問題，好，不能講也沒有關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-13T10:41:50.663000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-13T10:41:58.786000+08:00 |
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中油董事長先請回，我請主計長及央行副總裁。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-13T10:42:00.467000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T10:42:43.219000+08:00 |
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次長，因為過去幾年，美國大量開採頁岩油，所以在這一次的中東戰事裡，油價沒有受到太大的衝擊，反而是亞洲地區，因為戰事的關係，造成油價飆漲。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.817 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-13T10:42:46.681000+08:00 |
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2026-04-13T10:42:54.606000+08:00 |
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在這裡要跟你討論是，我們採購原油一直集中在中東國家，只要中東有戰事，中油價格就會受到很大的影響，所以經濟部有沒有考慮把臺灣石油進口轉移到跟美國採購？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.377 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-13T10:42:54.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-13T10:42:59.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
你剛才也有講到了，在緊急的狀況，我們還是有特別的辦法。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-13T10:43:01.231000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-13T10:43:12.338000+08:00 |
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總統在去年也宣布了，臺灣將採購更多美國的天然氣，顯然有意擴大臺灣天然氣的進口來源，這是一件好事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-13T10:43:13.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-13T10:43:20.943000+08:00 |
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同樣的，臺灣是不是會添購更多的美國石油呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-13T10:43:21.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-13T10:43:22.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
次長，有沒有這樣的準備？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-13T10:43:24.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-13T10:43:26.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
謝謝委員的指導。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-13T10:43:26.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-13T10:43:47.763000+08:00 |
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荷姆茲海峽因地緣政治的關係，確實相當的敏感，我們近幾年來不管是現在受到中東戰事的影響，針對於美國原油量的部分也有在增加，未來多元能源的來源是我們未來的方向，不管是原油或是天然氣都是如此。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.954 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-13T10:43:47.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-13T10:43:48.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
會考慮？會。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-13T10:43:48.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-13T10:44:33.888000+08:00 |
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我再請教一下央行副總裁，回到之前在3月份的時候，我有跟總裁討論到了平穩物價基金，從2022年俄烏戰爭開始到現在，我們看到了歷年，整體地緣政治危機帶給臺灣往往是物價高漲，高漲的時候，石油是馬上看得到，可是如果是葵花油、大豆這些大宗物資，中央政府面對這些物價的問題，通常給的解方都是有限的。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.754 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-13T10:44:34.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-13T10:44:38.510000+08:00 |
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所以在這裡跟央行特別請教，有沒有機會成立平穩物價基金？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.68 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-13T10:44:38.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-13T10:44:47.276000+08:00 |
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因為我一直在講要成立這平穩物價基金，你不能老靠賦稅減稅的方式解決這些問題，我想聽副總裁的說法？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
嚴副總裁宗大 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-13T10:44:55.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:08.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
報告委員，因為所謂的物價平穩基金應該是由行政院來主導，央行如果有需要的部分，我們會再研議。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:08.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:13.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
行政院來主導，行政院一定會聽聽央行有什麼建議嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
嚴副總裁宗大 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:14.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:18.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
報告委員，因為您今天剛扔出這個議題，我自己對這個問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:18.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:21.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
沒有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:21.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:23.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
3月份時候就問你們總裁了，總裁告訴我說也是一樣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
嚴副總裁宗大 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:23.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:26.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
好，我回去再跟總裁轉達這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:26.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:30.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
他說這不關央行的事情，央行只管貨幣，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:30.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:33.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
如果央行的責任，只有這麼簡單的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
嚴副總裁宗大 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:33.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:37.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
物價當然也是我們會關切的，只是那個機制的本身，可能不適合由央行來主導。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.606 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:44.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:51.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
再次跟副總裁提醒，也不斷地提醒央行是有這樣責任的。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:52.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-13T10:45:53.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
副總裁，你請回。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-13T10:45:53.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-13T10:46:03.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我想行政院的解方，還是從俄烏戰爭那一套留下來的，就是持續賦稅減徵。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-13T10:46:03.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-13T10:46:13.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
次長，這也是要提醒你，倒是主計長，這減徵都已經很久了，有沒有平穩物價的功能？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-13T10:46:15.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-13T10:46:18.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
主計長，你自己憑良心講，已經做了這麼久了。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-13T10:46:20.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-13T10:46:29.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
以3月份來講，我們3月的整個物價才1.2%，它整個是影響不大，所以真正要看4月份，而4月整個…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-13T10:46:31.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-13T10:46:46.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
主計長，我現在提醒的是，如果我們用俄烏戰爭的整體核心CPI的算法來看，其實在短期內它很快喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-13T10:46:48.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-13T10:46:48.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
它會超過2.0，所以……不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-13T10:46:48.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-13T10:46:49.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
因為現在目前整個…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-13T10:46:49.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-13T10:46:50.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
你每一次都跟我說不會，關於通膨，我難道還要問你說蚵仔煎一碗多少嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-13T10:46:50.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-13T10:47:18.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
跟委員報告，我們每個禮拜都在討論物價，每個物價都對於針對物價波動的問題，包括塑膠袋及瀝青的問題，這些我們都有研究及討論解決的方法，所以我們不會讓物價通膨再往上漲，原則上，我們會有一些相關穩定的措施來實施。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-13T10:47:23.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-13T10:47:25.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我每一次都是要再重複一次。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-13T10:47:25.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-13T10:47:29.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我們絕對不要重演2022年。不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-13T10:47:29.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-13T10:47:40.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
歷史經驗告訴我們，我跟你講要準備好，雖然你一直出來信心喊話，我還是要再跟主計長提醒，沒有那麼樂觀。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-13T10:47:40.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-13T10:47:45.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
這是副院長親自召集的物價穩定小組，我每一次都親自參加。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
賴委員惠員 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-13T10:47:45.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-13T10:47:45.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我還是覺得沒有那麼樂觀，謝謝主席、謝謝大家。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-13T10:47:46.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-13T10:47:48.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
謝謝賴惠員委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-13T10:47:48.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-13T10:48:04.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
我們待會在劉書彬委員結束質詢之後，休息5分鐘上洗手間；因為今天發言人數非常多，請各位委員後續的發言時間稍微注意一下，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-13T10:48:04.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-13T10:48:07.570429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
接下來請劉書彬委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |