| IVOD_ID |
168449 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168449 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T10:10:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T10:23:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e12c777aa43f85bc1c306a382356a5b219291cfc8066c9e4d99cea193b8358d2b45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:10 - 10:23:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：一、併案審查委員賴瑞隆等20人擬具「貪污治罪條例第十二條條文修正草案」案等6案。
二、繼續併案審查委員洪孟楷等21人擬具「中華民國刑法第八十三條條文修正草案」案等29案。
三、併案審查委員黃捷等19人擬具「中華民國刑法施行法增訂第八條之三條文草案」案等16案。
四、併案審查委員王育敏等18人擬具「民法第一百九十七條條文修正草案」案等3案。
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主席我們請法務部馮次長好有請馮次長議員好 |
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市長好今天我們議程是排了四個案子剛才大概委員大家比較集中關心的一個是貪污治罪條例第12條修正案另外就是有關於刑法第80條性侵害犯罪的追溯期限的問題我今天大概也是針對這兩個問題來跟就教市長 |
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有關這個貪污制裁條例的修正條文草案剛才大家都說了這個事實上社會有共識而且事實上我們法務部也在這個113年的5月10號在兩年前就已經公告了那剛才這個翁委員有請教不過這個次長是沒有回答我不知道是次長到底為什麼在行政院卡這麼久 |
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跟委員講有什麼樣的考量跟爭議事實上各機關還有我們的行政院他們在對法案上面來講其實都是會很慎重的看待我知道但是這個案子有點久了對 但我們也大概經過了三次並沒有一個懈怠我知道三次有什麼樣的爭點為什麼會三次 |
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針對於說貪污自罪條例上面來講就是說我們的一個部分已經漸漸的就是限縮到大家都能夠接受啦那所以這個部分上我們會盡速處理好這個這樣子啦齁因為你也沒有辦法也一直沒有回答說這三次到底有什麼樣的爭議啦那我個人我的理解齁就是其實你們的法案你們公告的法案其實並不是只單修12條你們是連11條一起修正對不對 |
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所以你們的這個條文齁其實我看大部分的委員都是跟你跟你們這個法務部公告的條文是一樣的但是有一個地方很不一樣就是你們這裡你們的條文這個第二項你們第十二條修正第二項你們說犯前條第一項至第五項之罪但是事實上前條目前只有四項 |
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跟委員報告我們當就是說剛剛講說我們的修正第四條到第六條之最我們還有一個徵定行會國際組織的官方我要講就是這個啦你們提出來的其實是兩條啦11條跟12條配套一起修那現在所有的委員提出來都是針對12條而已嗎那12條 |
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他是12條所以他是前條的4項的條文但是你們因為有11條修正所以你們前條變成5項條文嘛一個是這個跟國際法跟這個國際公約來這個接軌嘛那另外一個是針對法人的這個罰金法的部分 |
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這是增加了這兩個對不對我們還有那個布板裡面有第十一條跟六十一條所以說會比較就是討論的東西會比較多但是你們因為這個相關的討論而卡到這個第十二條事實上是會有高度共識的案子所以這個變成我們今天委員會先安排這個看起來今天可能要通過了那如果今天就要出委員會了那今天如果出委員會你們的條文未來十一條修正之後不是十二條還要再修一次 |
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這個部分我們現在的問題你們敢敢看啦你們跟行政院這邊來反映說這個是不是你要怎麼樣因應這個問題你如果有這樣的空窗期就是我們今天修法過了前四條那你們未來還要再修第十一條你們十一條我們可能通過了還沒刪讀你們十一條條文出來了 |
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所以我們還是希望說能夠給我們一點時間就我們針對這個東西這個等一下我們再大力討論的時候看委員會大家怎麼橫著因為已經等你們這麼久了這個是第一個第二個有關刑法八十條的部分刑法八十條這個其實這個我看大家也都有高度共識那在這個 |
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事實上我113年我今天有秀出一個113年我們本委員會的會議紀錄這個那時候113年5月的時候質詢就我在這邊質詢那個時候也是針對這一條你們這個時候法務部的意見是說你們經過這個三次的這個行修會議 |
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你們認為我們的刑法我們這個有關性侵害的法定刑已經比其他國家來得重了而且我們的時效也比其他國家來得長了所以那時候三次刑修會議是傾向於不修法不過這是那個時候啦 |
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但是你們在113年的5月27號114年8月你們提出預告版本你們事實上也是修了跟大家一樣不過我想今天既然可能會進入逐條可能會討論這一條這個目前大概 |
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有總共你們那時候我那時候質詢的時候其實只有兩個委員的版本那現在因為你們公告了出來之後就代出了29個委員的版本了大家都參考你的版本就趕快提案了提了29個版本那這29個版本呢這個其中有的這個變成有的人修80條有的人修修這個這個有人修80條有人修80 |
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83條有人修83條有人修80條甚至還有加80條之一的啦這個大家的意思可能意思都一樣但是修的法條不一樣修的法條不一樣不是說只是法律放在不同條文而已它在法律結構意義上是不一樣的我們現在目前法務部的版本是修80條修80條的意思就是說 |
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我們這個追溯時效它的起算時間去改變追溯時效的起算時間對不對但是追溯時效的這個起算期間按照這個一樣是在80條裡面它規定就是前向期間自犯罪成立之時起算 |
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從犯罪之時 時間起算時效 這個是基本時效的基本原理如果是繼續犯的話 到行為終了是起算對 繼續犯到行為終了這個是基本原理你們去改變了這個起算點 |
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一般這個像民間就有一些團體他們就認為還有也有委員的版本他們就認為說不應該去改這個起算期間應該是去暫停時效去把時效停止如果你要停止時效就是說我時效一樣從犯罪時期算但是你在未成年之前這個是停止計算的這個停止計算這個是民間現在一般主流意見如果是這樣就是應該修83條對不對 |
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八十三條他就是有關追溯權時效他停止進行變成一種訴訟障礙的理由嘛對不對市長這八十條跟八十三條差別在這裡嗎是對那事實上國際的立法例上面有一些是像我們也有委員提到用八十條之一他完全沒有追溯時效這個 |
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在國際立法例上面也有好像美國加拿大他們都是就是有關性侵害案件他就完全沒有追溯時效完全排除追溯時效這個這個的話就立法就八十我們有委員提了八十條之一的立法這三種立法例我們法務部現在目前採取的是八十條的八十條這是你們把改變這個起算起算的的的點啦齁那這個這個 |
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跟一般民間團體大家認為說應該是要修83條才對應該修83條才對那不過如果我們在法理上面來爭執這個可能又延宕了我們的修法所以我們是如果說從80來修80條也是可以接受但是目前就是剛才大家也都一直關心我們行政院是在 |
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在這個2月29號也就是兩個月前會前司法院那我們看到司法院的報告上個禮拜決定我們今天議程的時候我們看到司法院的報告司法院還沒有會前出來啊結果剛剛司法院回答說啊有我們4月10號已經函付4月10號就上禮拜五啦我們的議程出來之後司法院趕快函付給行政院那現在所以 |
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對行政院來講是4月10日禮拜五收到到今天才收到所以我想先請司法院我只問一個啦你們韓服的結果是什麼 同意 |
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報告委員 司法院經過4月10號下午開院會我們是同意會選同意會選 按照行政院的版本嗎是的好 謝謝請回 我就這個問題因為我沒有看到你們函附的文我不曉得你們函附的結果是怎麼樣所以現在簡單講 函附回行政院了行政院在多久之後可以送到立法院來報告委員 我們回去會跟行政院這邊 |
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就要表達說委員的意見如果你們可以很快的送到這個立法院來那我等一下我們這個主要審查的時候我就會主張說那我們先保留協商即使就算出文會我們保留協商讓你們在協商期之間趕快把你們的案子送進立法院來這是一個辦法是不是可以讓我們回去因為司法院的會嫌才剛剛進來對 剛剛進來 上禮拜五才那我們也要看一下司法院會嫌的部分在行政院這邊我們再做一個 |
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好那這個但是其實這29個版本裡面我剛剛講說29個版本裡面有各式各樣不一樣的修法那各國的立法也有各種不一樣但是這裡面有一個重點其他的這些我們都可以討論但是我們現在目前修了80條針對刑法裡面的性侵害犯罪那麼有關於兒少 |
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而少性剝削條例裡面的其他的這些時效目前按照我們只修80條是沒有排除的喔時效沒有排除 |
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衛福部針對這個部分會有他們的法條上他們會上我知道我們法務部的意見就是但這個其實其實你就法議衡量來講兒童少年性剝削防治條例他所保護的兒童跟少年的跟少年的這個性資主權這個是法議這是比成年人一般普遍的成年人他法議還更嚴重但是我們現在在刑法裡面有用80條把他排除時效了但是我們兒童跟少年性剝削防治條例沒有排除 |
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這個應該是這個你們法務部的態度就是這樣法務部就說因為這個主管是衛福部所以我們有委員提案喔就在我們八十條裡面就直接把這個兒少性撥調條例的這些條文特別法把它列到刑法裡面來排除時效這樣子的立法例當然是你們不贊成嘛也不妥啦就是說用這個普通法來排除 |
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排除特別法的時效 這個在立法會上非常奇怪啦沒有辦法這樣處理啦 對所以一定要在兒少條例裡面或是這個防治條例裡面來修改啦但是這個部分你們的態度就但這個很抱歉 這主管機關是衛福部對 這我們本部沒有辦法來衛福部今天有代表來衛福部 |
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公委員報告依照這個兒少性剝削防治條例第31條70號規定跟未滿16歲之人有對價之性交會猥褻行為者依刑法之規定處罰所以原則上它有部分其實是跟刑法依照刑法的規定 你就說對價關係的部分了你那全部的這個整部整部的兒少這個我跟你講這個當然今天這個我們 |
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這個只是一個副司長副司長來那要代表著但衛福部在這方面真的是動作太慢我們今天可能修法就刑法80條我們就修正通過了結果我們兒童跟這個少年性剝削防治條例裡面我們的時效卻沒有排除你們這個衛福部我最後啦很抱歉時間到其實你們衛福部 |
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其實這樣是完全是真的是有待遇者你們連其他齁其他你們在這個性騷擾你們性騷擾防治法這個性騷擾防治法跟這個性別教育平衡法裡面你們都已經排除了都已經把成年人的那個時效排除了性騷擾都已經成年人的時效都排除了你們這個兒童少年性侵害這個性剝削防治裡面還沒有去排除 |
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這部分請你回去反映給部裡面好不好好 我們以併納入來處理 謝謝好 以上 剩下的意見我就等一下主條的時候我們再來討論 |