| IVOD_ID |
168447 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168447 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T09:59:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T10:10:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e1f0c51003a3b69d14e63d9eaeca1783e3291cfc8066c9e4d9356a8bce1c9ee5345ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:59:18 - 10:10:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、衛生福利部、法務部就「中東衝突對能源、物價、民生與醫療物資供應及市場秩序之中長期影響與因應檢討，暨因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 有請主席長跟我們經濟部我們的次長賴次長主席長我想CPI的穩定非常重要但是CPI的穩定現階段幾乎都是政府方的責任去對抗市場方政府可以做的部分就是油跟電還有一些稅收的減免 |
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可是這個部分我們看到目前中油的這個部分剛剛報告說已經有90億最高大概107億讓整個CPI只有上升到1.8%吸收掉0.3我有一個問題要問的是說那油的部分那電的部分限制 |
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那個限動的部分4到9個月次長也在這邊你也可以問他再加上其他的這個稅收的減免整個優惠的這個部分穩定物價的措施延長到9個月的情況底下到底政府要付出多少錢才能減免多少CPI主席長你有沒有掌握 |
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這個部分主要其實是經濟部的一部分是經濟部一部分是那個財政部稅收的減少對 財政部減少稅收嘛黃曉玉的部分這個部還沒有預估出來我是說那個 主委長 |
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您站在主席兩個高位嘛那個經濟部也好財政部也好任何部門的一個那個行政措施減少了一些國家的一個income然後或者呢增加了國家的負擔總共多少才能去面對這個CPI本席想要知道這個數字啊 |
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我們現在是講譬如說他中油他提出要增資那是事後那是拯救中油的部分增資融資6500億要如何救中油我都同意我也都贊成也應該包括台電都應要但是我們要去面對我們到底多少才會有效啊 |
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在總量上啦沒關係 主席長妳會後再給本席妳算個數字給我對 經濟部還有財政部的部分還有財政部的部分因為關鍵是CPI就是整體的部會當中我們到底付了多少承擔了多少最後減少了多少因為我找不到這個相關數字嘛這樣也可以讓我們的百姓知道說政府到底付出了多少努力嘛不是嗎 主席長 |
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他如果每個月的話油價的部分是九十億嘛對對對剛剛有講九十億我有聽到十二個月那就是九十億要這樣子的一個成熟對那我要知道你一個月的周期大概多少兩個月如果是這樣子但是有可能再疊加這樣子所以我們會再算一個那個就請那個次長麻煩跟主席長對一下好不好我大概要知道這個總額啦那政府有多少作為好不好那各位請回接下來我想請那個法務部法務部 |
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請張師長有請那個這是張師長嗎 |
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因為不論是之前的衛生紙之亂、雞蛋之亂、塑膠袋之亂政府部門大概透過兩個平台一個是法務部的物價聯合稽查小組另外就是我們地檢署設立一個打擊民生的犯罪聯繫平台用雙軌並行的方式去處理 |
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那現階段 不論是衛生紙 雞蛋 或者塑膠之亂目前我看到的都是查無不法啦簡單的講是沒有囤積 沒有烘台但是沒有人相信因為在第一線當中呢大家拿到的塑膠袋都已經變五塊錢了到底是誰在烘台價格 |
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很奇怪你們每一個查出來都是沒有囤積沒有烘台但是結果就是沒有人相信因為現實上很多民眾就說你看塑膠袋五塊 |
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那個整個這個便當盒也五塊為什麼這種落差你們就去了解我去了解一下就置對面的部分囤積民生物資烘台物價行者主要根據刑法第251條可以處三年以下有期徒刑可是呢從109年2010年修法以來我沒有看到任何一件案件涉及到251條 |
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251條當中呢 也就是說呢一 糧食農產品及民生必需之飲食用品或者是三 行政院公告之生活必需品你認為這三項是都不符合嗎還是出在哪裡或者是第一線的攤商的問題還是只是消費者的問題 你要講清楚嘛 |
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跟委員報告喔有關那個刑法251條的那個案件數齁在去年114年度我們新收是有246件 增結234件那其中起訴的有47件幾件47件47件 對起訴之後呢 |
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那起訴之後當然就是送法院去判決那有沒有判決那判決的情形我目前這邊手上是沒有資料如果委員有需要的話我們可以會合麻煩一下好不好起訴之後47件到底判決的結果怎麼樣這樣才能達到嚇阻的作用嘛是感受上司說好像都沒有都沒有都沒有 |
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那結果呢大家感受都是有有有民間跟這個落差實在太大了麻煩你會後給本席一下那也請貴單位加強茶器讓民眾的感受能夠跟政府方相同謝謝接下來我想請那個央行的這個副總裁央行副總裁 |
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因為最近外匯現在有一個新的狀況過往我們都希望外資如果賣了股之後如果不再買進的話要趕快匯出以前央行的態度這樣子就是避免這個炒匯可是最近徵取局有對外講說因為外資賣超不一定要急著匯進出 |
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如果說呢這個匯進出的話台幣呢會有這個貶值的壓力那台幣一旦貶值的壓力的話就會有導入這個輸入性的通膨的這個可能那這裡頭出現第一個問題你要如何避免這個輸入性的通膨的可能 |
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第二個呢可是我們現在外資持有台灣的股票債券跟現金目前已經高達1.2兆的美元又是我們外匯存底的兩倍以上你太多的外資放在台灣又有可能有炒匯的風險 |
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或者一下子快速的匯出也會造成台幣的急速貶值在這種兩難的情況底下我很想問一下央行要怎麼面對譬如講還有一個問題儘管會在外資的這個部分談到外資大賣台股8306億可是到央行就變9682億差了1000多 |
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另外金管會統計外資的匯出是30.5億可是央行的統計是240億差更多這種數字上的落差也會影響到你們判斷的一個結果副總裁你們回復一下本席你要怎麼去控制這個輸出性的通膨增加或者你要如何同時因應這個可能會造成炒匯的風險 |
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我們會首先看一下就是到底那個以美元計價的進口物價的上漲情形我們會判斷就是說到底他是不是持續長期的但是中央銀行的匯率政策我剛才講到除了外資之外我們也受到外資也當然也受到 |
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國際美元走勢外資他們判斷說到底未來的台幣的走勢是怎樣所以我們的基本政策是維持新台幣的相對穩定您剛才提到那個金管會和央行在外資匯出的統計上面是有差異的因為我們是用現金基礎那金管會是用權責基礎最大的差異就是我們外資在台灣賺到的盈餘我們我們視為他匯出我們視為他定義上不同啦所有數字上的差異啦好 |
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那這個可能會有判斷上的落差不會 因為對央行來講我們看的是現金技術好 就是央行來做主導如果央行來做主導的話那本席就要請教於你了第一個現階段是不是有沒有說希望外資不要像以前短期的情侶賣掉股票以後趕快發出去而可以允許他們比較長的時間我先問你這一點好了 |
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報告委員這個是有他的困難度因為外資的資金的流動在台灣是一個自由的我們只是限制他你賣完的錢你如果留在台灣你就必須投資在國內股市上面但是就是停留的時間也不管就沒有像以前說叫他趕快出去 |
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我們沒辦法單向單向一下子要他暫緩出去一下子要他暫緩進來暫緩進來你是用單向讓他不要太近匯入我們沒辦法用單向的方式因為 |
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那個資金的流動是一個相對自由的匯出跟匯入的問題嘛你要匯出太多的話它就會貶值嘛對不對我們有道德說服國內的廠商可以這樣配合輸入性CPI的可能性嘛那你不管輸入性的CPI嗎你不是在可控的範圍嗎這不是變成一個關鍵嗎 |
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因為在外匯市場上面我們沒辦法用單獨的去限制外資的我沒有說用單獨的方式我是說這政策有沒有調整啊我想唯一的方式可能就是透過我們匯率的調整去誘導這樣子的一個 |
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643.136 |
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說到匯率的調整 本席就最後再問你一句匯率的調整的部分我一直發現央行在這個部分是在一個區間來去看待區間的部分就是30 31 32它其實是要如何維持出口的競爭力有時候主要輸出國家進口國的一個競爭力之外另外一個討論的部分是現階段需要避免輸入性的同盤應該是這兩個部分在做平衡 |
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643.917 |
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660.919 |
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才會決定這個區間嘛出口競爭力一向不是我們關切的最主要的重點是那我們看的是整體對物價的影響是怎樣所以是第二項對關鍵還是第二項所以最近進場調節是在於要控制輸入性的同盤而不是在於出口的競爭優勢是好 謝謝副總長 謝謝好 謝謝 |