| IVOD_ID |
168441 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168441 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T09:23:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T09:34:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e16ee38d5e113930ed413783e2c4a522d3291cfc8066c9e4d9e2e11a24dcffeb0b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:23:59 - 09:34:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好主席謝謝麻煩請陳主委請工程會陳主委 |
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各位好 本席要針對從年初開始全國有所謂的土方之亂要跟我們工程會來就教因為工程會日前有召集環境部、交通部、經濟部、內政部、農業部來討論就土方之亂要怎麼解決而最終把一些包括台北港、台中港、高雄港跟南新計畫的土地變成是土方的佔據區跟去化區 |
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那但是在這過程裡面台北港在本期的選區可是從頭到尾巴黎的民眾以及我們地方的鄉親並沒有參與這個討論也因此現在爆發說原來台北港外他還不在台北港內在台北港外也就緊鄰我們的馬路旁邊要有一個土地來做一個土方置戰制區那地方民眾當然會群起華然跟反彈 |
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會覺得是說為什麼突然間在這邊會有一個戰事區然後後續在這個戰事區上面還要做一個相關的處理而且所謂的戰事到底是戰事多久到目前為止各方單位沒有辦法給我們明確的答案我上一次質詢環境部 環境部部長講是說一年但一年之後會不會可以順利的退場這一點主委你怎麼看 |
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包委員土方的業務是歸內政部主管那跟土方的產出源包括公共工程其實民間的建築是大宗那公共工程委員會當然希望包括公共工程的土方出租能夠有一個合理的 |
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便利的去處 不會影響公共工程的進度但整個土方的處理是由內政部 協調交通部去台北港是呀 國土署也算是您督導嗎不是公共工程委員會的業務是呀 國土署也算您督導嗎那是政務委員的部份是 政務委員的部份嘛 沒錯啊但現在我們看到的是說 在這一次的土方之亂連前工程會主委吳哲成啊 |
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他也直接就點名是說看不下去認為這次土方之亂問題在於末端土方出處沒有準備好就開始執行流量管制 |
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土方業務報告委開宗明義講說你說國家共大公共工程我們要支持沒有問題啊但重點在於是說突然間沒有準備好然後就頒布一個政策所以說造成土方之亂土方之亂之後馬上急救張再去做去化所以到時候選擇到地方要有站置場那這不很草率嗎土方管理三十年了在這個過程裡面有沒有跟地方溝通過土方管理超過三十年了並不是今天才亂 |
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就是今年最亂 歷任的主管他們都有進行那今年只是增加了GPS的裝置跟流向管制所以這就變成配套的措施有沒有做好 主委你也不需要開始召集環境部 交通部等相關單位來共同討論吧 |
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不是嗎 那另外再來喔前環保署副署長律師詹順貴也稱土方之亂是行政院某政務委員惡搞那位政務委員是誰這個我不了解他講的是誰啦不過我對這位前政務官也知之甚明啦我們彼此了解就好彼此了解就好是什麼意思我了解他的說法至於他講誰你要問他 |
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我要問他 你也不清楚是誰那你要問他不是 這不是我要問他 你在這邊反諮詢我現在在問的是說 某政務官員在惡搞嘛那也因此是說 兩位民進黨前朝官員都暗指在這次的土方之亂 事出必有因啊 |
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必有妖啊你說30年過去那過去30年就沒有造成今年那麼的餘波蕩漾啊那還有過去如果說30年要處理的話那沒有在巴黎地區找一個土地來做戰志場那為什麼突然間今年這樣子那我只想問就是說巴黎地區的民眾他也給本席陳情 |
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他也問我們之前在地方說明會也召集相關單位來之後發覺是完全沒有後續的配套到底你暫置要暫置多久是不是一年哪一個單位可以保證 |
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我建議委員我建議委員到內政委員那去執行內政部這不是你建議我而是現在本席就在問的是說既然這已經是跨部會的溝通而有政務委員出來做跨部會的協調的時候那我們想問說到底這個決策的過程地方政府配合然後結果全部中央下來然後地方政府跟我們民間到最後來承受這樣的壓力報告委員誰來看看理解或是了解我們的 |
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居民的壓力 |
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主委 啊有沒有開過會我是基於這位委員召集相關法律的資訊 是嘛所以那一天的主席是誰什麼 開過很多次會那一天主席是誰哪一天 找相關本席剛剛講的來決定開了多次會議 開了多次會議我的 主委本席現在要的 這哪一次會議做了什麼決定我想問你說 你現在把整個這個土方的主委 本席現在要的是說要看到地方民眾的需求 |
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而不是說我們開完會之後後續就變成沒有事所以本席這個陳情書能不能也給我們公共工程委員會一份讓我們公共工程委員會來去了解能夠做的部分請你再以政務委員的立場再召集相關部會甚至地方政府大家共同來討論怎麼樣降低地方的衝擊這樣做得到嗎 |
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我基於尊重委員的這個要求啦那因為我身兼政務委員我是可以接受但是請不要把土方之亂灌在我陳金德身上我先 從頭到尾沒有 你要找去找那個詹順貴 |
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那但是本席現在要問的是民進黨政府從上到下到底要解決問題要有配套要有措施要有辦法而不是丟出來之後後續讓地方來去吸收我覺得這樣子大家沒有辦法接受所以主委 這個陳情書主委我基於尊重委員的職權 樂意接受好 謝謝 主委等一下我就給我們相關單位來 再來 |
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也請主委真的要重視我們中央跟地方溝通的一個部分即便你開會你沒有直接來跟地方溝通你也要要求相關部會應該要跟地方合理說明否則的話這樣子推動真的是讓大家地方滑爛再來另外一個部分公共工程委員會現在要做政府採購法的一個修法嘛齁那都還在這個公告以及相關的一個部分但是其中雖然刪除三家投標的一個限制引發爭議 |
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那暫緩有現在是講說暫緩修法不知道什麼時候我們會再審到但另外一個部分草案新增國家安全跟機密採購有可能直接採取限制機招標或是選擇性招標那外界也會有聯想說這又會不會是開大開方便之門 |
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謝謝文指教所以我們現在重新在整個在接受各界的法規意見會重新彙整在必要的時候再重新預告所以什麼時候會預告還沒有我們就是彙整之後再重新預告本已經預告過了是 |
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預告過啦 就是外界 華蘭以及外界疑慮很多啊包括說因為 本席還是開宗明義談調如果一般的 一般的部分啦主委 如果說外界支持的話你就不會再拿回去重新再修正了啦講大白話 如果說你覺得外界支持很多那就硬推嘛 |
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那就送進來嘛 但沒有啊你公告完畢之後你現在你剛剛自己就講是說你又再回去又再修正又再討論代表確實有反彈聲音但是本席現在想強調的是本席現在想強調的是如果說能夠讓一般基層公務同仁能夠更便捷節省他的行政流程讓他增加效率本席不反對這是一般的基層公務同仁但是請聽清楚如果說 |
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動不動就拿什麼國安機密機密採購然後扣帽子然後直接就講是說這個東西就直接要進入選擇性招標然後完全沒有外界沒有辦法評估沒有辦法了解然後你就是指定招標的話本期沒有辦法接受為什麼因為過去我們就看到很多機密招標或是很多相關國安的部分什麼軍方買水120塊一罐5萬塊的會議椅 |
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那這個部分我真的很擔心說以後如果說你這樣變你的修法通過之後軍方五萬塊會議以算不算是國安機密他認定了之後他就變成是選擇性招標那到最後變成是刷嘛國安機密 駭嘛國安機密 |
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我覺得這個是一般民眾都沒有辦法接受的這個個案是確定有這個個案嗎買水用限責性招標嗎不是啊本席就講是說過去到現在有多少這一些都已經這個就是被我們立法院挑出來所以買水到7-11買就可以了啊主委買水到7-11買就可以了對 |
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主委所以說你自己也覺得很荒謬嘛你覺得這個標案也很荒謬嘛這個標案就是之前在外交國防委員會外交部報出來的預算被我們外交國防的委員挑出來到最後顧立雄自己說回去的標案啊 |
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所以本席現在講的是說什麼本席現在講的是說我們還是要有一個持平性不要什麼事情都打著國安機密的大旗來去做掩護的事實所以本席先提出當然你現在已經講了就是說你還會再做修正之後再做公告嘛對不對預計什麼時候會再公告 |
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我們會中整各界一經再來辦理所以目前沒有時間表還沒有好本席還是一樣的態度跟一樣的原則預算當用則用 花在刀口上但是當審則審公共工程委員會是我們國家的主管採購相關標案的機關更應該以身作則以上 謝謝 |