| IVOD_ID |
168438 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168438 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-13T09:45:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-13T09:59:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5655ee4938da65e1c192b50cd00f6ef9e63d9eaeca1783e3291cfc8066c9e4d960a2c0502c4bf3f75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:46 - 09:59:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、衛生福利部、法務部就「中東衝突對能源、物價、民生與醫療物資供應及市場秩序之中長期影響與因應檢討，暨因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請經濟部的賴次長以及中友的董事長兩位長官委員好兩位長官好我先問一下中友董事長我記得在經濟委員會有問你你講到說有四艘的郵輪 中船 |
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現在裝了沒有我在經委會所講就是說從四月份開始裝了沒有 開始裝了沒有四月份這一船已經裝了出來沒有現在在航行從曼德海峽過程中已經經過那個地方曼德海峽是不是從央部裝港然後已經往曼德海峽 |
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那第一艘什麼時候到台灣應該是在五月初了五月初後面的三艘呢後面三艘就每個月一艘我不會受影響目前來講沒有影響伊朗不是炸因為現在是荷姆茲在東邊這邊嘛對不對這邊曼德正在西邊這邊中間是沙烏地嘛對不對他買一個油管伊朗不是炸他油管沒有影響 |
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目前他是有炸到他的加壓泡沫的影響加壓泡沫就影響了啊那現在已經修復了修復了齁好我現在就問了這個川普因為這個美伊的談判不順利他要封鎖荷姆斯海峽這個現在看起來四十天大家都講說那個那個預備料四十天不足啊亞洲三個國家都搶貨啊日本韓國跟我們呢我們搶到多少啊這個要不要解釋一下 |
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這個部分從中東戰事開始以來經濟部每天開會不管是原油、氫油或是天然氣我們當時採用的策略是假設這個赫姆斯海峽完全封閉然後我們從其他的這個現貨市場跟非中東地區的油氣源裡面來調度目前都非常的正常比如說這兩天也有這個天然氣的一個靠港跟原油這個貨輪一個 |
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從歐洲還有包括未來我們從美國不是有很多 去很多 不跟美國都沒有一點我們這個都有 所有的物品都有 |
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所有的因為美國的油大概是屬於低流的這個原油啦那我們大概是因為我們的石油的生產必須要高流的原油跟低流的原油來參配所以針對於低流的原油的部分我們自然就是從美國來進口美國現在照我們的進口比例多少現在6060%喔對啊可不可以再增加 |
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這個要看 我們都有相關的排程 包括煉廠的一個煉量的狀況它是什麼 你看 低還是高是什麼意思 低是輕磁油還是重磁油是不是對對對所以它的美國油不是用在每一個地方 它是有侷限性的 |
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他看各界的這個油氣源的一個不一樣需要做一個調查中油公司針對於全世界大概一百四十幾個有產油的這個地方他相關的這個原料的一個狀況包括他油品的一個狀況都有作為掌握那也感謝中油公司平常就是把這些基本功練好所以我們當遇到中東的戰事的時候我們很快的可以 |
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國際油價漲了8%啦這個經濟破損中心是不是就繼續一直動漲不管漲多少8%、10%、20%我們都動漲是不是繼續動漲我每週都有固定的一個機制我問你是不是繼續動漲 |
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我們現在看即時的油價的變化 比如說現在是賣房市場 現在是大家不管不計成本 不計價格搶到貨才是硬道理喔 全世界都這樣子喔無論是石油或是天然氣我們針對於未來數個月的所有的貨源都有掌握甚至是七月 八月 九月我們對現貨的部分都有掌握 |
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現在因為美伊談判促交看起來油價要繼續漲我就問你一個問題是不是我們的政策不管它漲多少我們就繼續動漲我就問你 YES NO 就這樣我們每個禮拜檢討 每個月來檢討因為這個油氣的價格變動得非常的劇烈 |
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這個話我做球給你不敢接喔你應該說越...我們就繼續動長啊怎麼會...對不對 按老百姓的心啊不然人家的物價 欸美國CPI已經漲了3.3%啦你現在台灣壓得這麼低就主要就是...感謝先生有相當多的一個鋪排包括物價的一個穩定到目前為止的話我們不像你剛剛所說的其他的國家有這麼大的一個物價的一個波動 |
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嘴巴這樣講 我去旁邊的便利商店買的飲料都漲了10%這個東西就很奇怪 現在跟塑膠有關的都漲我看 請問石油存量到底是多少石油存量 |
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10有存量的話我們目前都超過了法定的安全存量甚至有超過10有幾天啊?10有幾天?120天?法定的部分大概是90天90天?我們超過?我們都有超過天然氣咧?天然氣的話是11天11天?我們有超過?從開戰以來每天都超過何必什麼時候可以啟動? |
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去年11月27號台電公司提出了這個自主現況安全評估的部分經濟部已經核定了台電的一個現況的評估的作業台電公司在河山廠的一個再運轉計畫在今年的3月27號提出來明年可以嗎?2027可以嗎? |
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這個台電公司是一個電業的發言機關他提出了在用的總經理講一下嘛要需要核安會的審查我依照核安會的審查現在已經在審查了啦總經理你能不能講一下 |
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報告委員那因為最樂觀啦 什麼時候可以重啟 最樂觀台電有一些東西是台電可能決定的就是在運轉計畫什麼時候送我們可以決定送了沒有我們已經送了合三的已經送了他們合安大概多久時間可以勝償團體這個就是要看合安會的委員正常過去多久時間 |
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有啊 怎麼沒有 過去就半年到一年半啦 怎麼沒有呢我們也希望他們快一點 但是這不是我們能決定的所以只要一年 再一年 所以你們送了嘛 再一年那就是明年可以啦就這個意思啊會盡快啦 我想核安會會盡快回來我還是問市長啊 還有那個中央董事長啊三月份總共你補貼了多少補貼多少錢 |
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到3月份的部分油價的部分大概是吸收了90億左右90億如果4月份繼續這樣子再90億是每個月補貸90億一直到10月是不是這個意思我們現在會依照油價的公式去看到目前為止累積的總有吸收了107.3億是關於油品的部分請教那個央行的副總裁好嗎 |
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三位可以離開來專委董事長可以先丟手議員好議員好 你們原來總裁是要說全年的油價是85塊錢現在美伊談判不順利 這個數字要不要修正我們講的85塊是全年的均價對啊對啊 未來一定都100多啊 |
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如果未來的均價到100的時候我們當然會上修我們CPI的預測值 |
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伊朗要用比特幣計算那個荷姆治海峽的通行費過去央行一直對加密貨幣比特幣之類都是持之以比瞧不起所以認為它不是法定貨幣等等的可是現在越來越多的國家它這個要加密貨幣你們看要不要改變一下 央行 |
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因為我們在虛擬資產服務法裡面我們對穩定幣是持正面的看法未來如果台灣發行這種不管新台幣或者是美元的穩定幣我們是持正面的看法所以你們瞧不起比特幣瞧不起以太幣瞧得起穩定幣就這個意思是不是 |
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因為那個不是所謂的真正的貨幣有具有貨幣的那個功能的啊 穩定幣是貨幣的代幣穩定幣是一個代幣比較穩定的代幣啊 加密貨幣其實也是啊 |
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我們來看我們的挖掘存底已經減少了86億美金現在美國要對我們301看起來匯率應該總算可以減少301的對我們衝擊而且購入成本也降低了這種狀況對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
617.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
641.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那個報告委員因為匯率走勢不是台灣自己決定的因為我們只是維持匯率的穩定匯率走勢也要看國際美元整個走勢和整個國際國內外經濟情勢的變化最後一個請教那個主席長我覺得一個小題主席長這個一定要因為前面有人問了我還是要問一下這個到底你們今天怎麼看CPI GDP怎麼看 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
645.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
672.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
因為一到三月呢其實三月它的影響是比較小所以我們三月的CPI是1.2整個GDP的影響因為也是第一季其實是整個狀況是不錯的到三月底嘛所以今年還是有時間到了今年渴望有七所以我們要看四月我們五月會重新做評估然後會有新的一個評估的數據出來總預算後天要協商嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
674.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
689.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
你要不要承諾在這裡承諾我不過我看你承諾我都不可以院長打槍啊可不可以說我們省然後這個有關你軍人加薪案的部分我辦最佳預算可以嗎不是因為軍人加薪案涉及到制度的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
690.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
710.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
他沒有說我從基層一次加三萬這樣子整個打破整個制度是整個迫害制度所以這不是我錢不錢的問題而是整個制度的問題所以必須在人事總署他這裡他做整個一個盤算去做一個改變所以你跟我講沒有用這不是我不要編的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
711.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
713.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我告訴你這個東西後天協商沒有各讓一步這個要讓啦我們總預算同時我們都希望總預算能夠順利來審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
726.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
741.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
承諾說未來可以追加預算按照去年的做法 這樣子就有順利了不是 拜委員 因為您也是這方面的行家所以到底是追加 怎麼追加 這是重點追加就300億就可以追加了 三一趴就300億啦三一趴就300億啦所以你如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
745.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
773.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
統一加三萬我跟你講以後所有人人事制度全部垮了不會啦這個立法院全部垮了不要你光是說軍人的部分其他的公務人員的人事制度全部垮了不會啦人事總處的人事長但是我是主計長我必須要為這個制度整個的維持啊所以立法院通過了法案就你這環境是總統太院長的思維嗎就變成你們變成太上皇 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
774.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
799.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
民主國家就是依法行政 三讀通過的法律 你照做而執行卻有困難有困難事件 你可以提這個啊 你可以提復一啊復一提過啦 復一提啦不過啊 不過啊 不過你就照做啊 就變成這樣好啦 今天這部時間你插在哪裡謝謝 謝謝好天要有誠意就大家各讓一點啦我是跟你講 這可以讓啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
801.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
805.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
好 那主席長的禮拜三好好來做後續的協商 |