| IVOD_ID |
168416 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168416 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T10:13:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T10:23:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc7fb04fd95cae2c2bab509ad0e4ca3d866c5b9733af610d7e5339739331fca71b35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖先翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:13:36 - 10:23:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長、交通部次長就「加速落實人本交通環境-檢討『永續提升人行安全計畫』執行現況、簡化審核行政流程及協助地方政府改善行人安全設施之精進作為」進行專題報告並備質詢。） |
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我們請廖先祥召委資訊 謝謝謝謝主席 麻煩我們邀請劉部長 還有我們的署長 |
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這個我們的報告,這個我大概也是看了一下,那最後一頁,這個部長有大概提到總預算嘛,大概我一念一下就是1.15年度中央政府總預算上會通過,將影響地方改善人心、安全環境執行的情形嗎?我想跟部長確認一下,是怎樣的影響法?我是不是來請那個署長跟您回應一下好不好?好 |
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這哪方面怎麼樣的影響我們現在預算沒有辦法核定所以很多計畫其實在今年度從開始的先期作業其實就沒有辦法跟地方直接說這些經費馬上要給你們補助所以在納入預算等等的這個部分都會有所延誤因為這個預算法54條大家應該都熟悉對不對那我們這一次人本計畫大概是從113年到116年 |
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那前兩個年度大概都是編列50億的左右那我們的報告裡面有說我們2015年度編列37億6千萬那老實說這樣的一個數字是比大概前兩年度大概去年度的一個額度還來的低那依照預算法54條只要不超過去年度的這個預算核定數 |
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的一個規模都可以使用那也就是我們大概編的這37億6千萬他依照預算法54條應該都是可以動資的沒錯吧 |
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我們這個部分都是延續性的才有繼續動之是延續性的對啊所以我想確認一下跟委員報告一下報告寫的說你講到的部分是指哪邊你現在講的是預算總額度但是我們每一件計畫都是新興計畫那只要是新興計畫如果沒有通過的話其實不能動之 |
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比如說我們現在做一個人行道的改善工程現在如果已經進入規劃設計的階段那當然可以繼續用可是他這個已經改善完成了以後我下一段是重啟一個新興計畫新興計畫不是這樣看吧這個是大項目在看的啦 這個部長 署長是看預算科目吧 |
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怎麼會是個別 那我每年養護道路我每年鋪的路都不一樣難道每一條都叫做新興計畫嗎這個叫例行性的預算吧 |
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其實我們是擔心很多預算因為雖然是這樣有延續性過來的但是我們也是擔心預算會被刪減還有一些大的項目所以我們說實在的在一些地方上面報來的案件在核定上面我的時間真的是有所延誤所以你們是怕立法院未來如果說在審總預算的時候會不會刪 |
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刪到這個預算的金額導致你們不能夠不敢去把它我們不能跟地方做太多的承諾因為這個部分都還有一些地方所以單純按照預算法我們這37億在編列的部分都可以動之但是你們擔心這37億未來如果說被立法院有刪除的話那差額的部分要怎麼樣子的來那你們現在大概先抓大概多少的37億你們大概會釋放多少出來讓地方政府申請 |
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我們今年也是先大約抓37億那就是37億啊 |
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對啊,用原本的額度啊,你們剛剛又說怕立法院刪除,但是你們又用37億來算但是程序上還是要立法院...好不好,所以說部長這個地方建設我們也希望說未來這個報告希望說盡量不要扯到我們這個總預算的問題啦,因為依照預算法54條,尤其是這個我們的預算規模比去年還低了那就常理來說應該是不會被影響,好那就進行實質的討論啦,好不好,這些人本的 |
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那這部分我也不確定你們有沒有辦法回答因為可能牽扯到一些法令的問題也就是說我們的道路大概原則上會有兩種一種是我們的土地產權100%是公有機關那有一些是繼承道路也就是說私人產權的部分那我們在做相關的行人永續安全提升的申請補助的時候 |
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有沒有去把這兩種去分開還是只要地方政府提了就他只要是認定是繼承向道那我們就可以有補助我們在審查部分有看到公司有這個區分嗎地方政府只要取得的這些相關的同意或者是認定我們都會給予補助如果說是繼承向道的話需要土地同意書 |
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繼承巷道都已經認定是繼承巷道所以說我們這邊不會去管他的產權有沒有取得就是地方政府自己要去認定地方政府只要認定那他願意申請的話那這部分我們國土是沒有意見的那我不知道其他縣市大概是怎樣的一個做法自己本身這也是清北市自己的做法 |
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新北市它自己的做法是這樣,基層道路如果說它基層道路它原本就是道路的話,那它就是做道路如果說它是人行道的話,那它就是做人行道那它只能依照現有的這個鋪面的一個規格,照原始的狀態去修繕那包括你去做道路的人行道以及道路的重新做分配的話 |
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照新北市他目前自己的規定是不行的所以說在這部分應該就是照署長講的這部分是新北市政府他自己的內規而不是國土署有這樣子的一個要求我們沒有這樣的要求因為每個縣市政府他的做法應該可能不太一樣因為這個就扯到一個這個就牽扯到因為在我們市的市區道路除了台北市可能就是財政比較健全或是規劃比較妥協的情況下 |
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很多的道路其實都是繼承的一個巷道那新北市政府他目前有時候會遇到的狀況就是他是繼承道路所以說他不能夠去做人行道的一個拓寬那導致他沒有辦法來申請我們友善行人永續的一個部分那我想我不曉得其他縣市也會不會有這樣子的一個看法啦因為這個東西牽扯到私人產權嘛那大家擔心說這個 |
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在如果說未來有相關訴訟的話那會不會導致額外這個節外生智的狀況所以說我是不是能夠建議國土署未來在跟地方政府在討論的時候你們在常常會有跟各地方政府在做溝通嗎是不是我們這邊國土署統一都會可以有一個見解啦應該算出一個見解也就是說 |
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在繼承道路上面,只要地方政府認一認它是繼承鄉道的話那所有的一些公共設施,包括道路或者是附屬設施的一個調配的話那原則上不只是這個計畫,而是說在我們的認定上面它地方政府都是有這樣的一個權利,讓地方政府它能夠更敢來申請我們的計畫來改善行人的安全不曉得我們這部分能不能做一些相關的溝通這樣子 |
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我們大概這個案子會跟地方政府這邊來去彙整他們目前的做法我確定是每個縣市政府做法都不太一樣所以我們彙整一下大概擬出一些原則讓各個縣市政府來遵循那基本上認定的部分還是要地方政府原則上為什麼剛剛講新北市或者是台北市會申請的比較少 |
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就是因為他們有很多這樣子的一個狀況他們其實不太敢來做申請怕會有未來的一個訴訟那假設說如果說有一個我們國土署也認同這樣子的一個方向的話既然是繼承巷道的話地方政府也願意認的話那我們來做補助讓他們來執行那或許他們會更有這樣子的一個大家知道大家都是公務人員嘛大家彼此的心態大家都能夠揣摩啦那另外一個小小的問題就是在我們的一些可能如果有出國的話可能都會看到有一些 |
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國外的道路他們在行人的穿越量比較大的區域他其實他並不是撲柏油的對不對他可能會是尤其是早發展比較早期的他可能會是一些比較不平等的道路可能或者是石塊然後藉由道路的不平整來降低這個車速這樣子的一個設置我不確定這樣的設置有沒有符合我們國家的一些道路工程的設計規範 |
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跟委員報告確實一些國家有用這種方式那譬如說他在裡面不管是造街或者是一些商圈他會用這種方式那這個部分我們在目前的一個道路設計來講並沒有刻意去要求做到這樣不過我們可以來去探討一下後續也會衍生如果有人跌倒了會不會有國賠的問題所以說這個我覺得這是一個方向但是 |
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我們後續的配套措施也必須要先完善的擬定好如果說我們真的要利用這個道路上面的行走的障礙來降低車速的話我覺得這個也是我們未來可以討論的一個方向好 那麻煩署長 以上 謝謝好 謝謝廖先生 趙偉 |
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有錢啊 |