| IVOD_ID |
168414 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168414 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T13:22:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T13:36:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc7dc25becf64fcac42d16b10bbffbc7f67c5b9733af610d7e5c28002b7c9e729de5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:22:38 - 13:36:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請運動部部長李洋列席就「如何落實全民運動、協助學校專項運動發展及運動科學發展成效之檢討等議題」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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請坐主席好 麻煩請李洋部長有請部長 謝謝 |
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委員您好李洋部長我想請教一下今天你來立法院備詢結果你的次長鄭思忠忽然間不是透過你這邊的管道自行對外宣布辭職我想先問一下你昨天有遇到他嗎昨天有遇到鄭思忠有人看得出來他要辭職嗎 |
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看得出來嗎我應該是看不出來那你說你是剛剛才得知早上才得知說他要辭職那你是怎麼得知的是從媒體得知嗎對所以是媒體你看到他的辭職新聞你才知道他要離職 |
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那部長我就覺得很奇怪你知道嗎因為一般如果要辭職的行政流程應該是這樣因為他是運動部次長嘛您是他直屬長官嘛應該他要先跟你口頭表示他要辭職然後接下來你們兩個人先稍微聊一下以後他就遞出書面的辭呈而且那個辭呈應該是先到您那邊然後您確定之後跟他談完挽留不住才會往行政院送嘛 |
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那現在顯然他辭職完全沒有告訴你然後最詭異的就是因為您今天早上全部都在立法院然後行政院自己跳出來證實說對這個正式中有個人的其他生涯規劃所以要離職代表說次長的我不知道他的任用跟你有沒有關的但是顯然是他的離開你完全沒有任何的影響等於是你的這個人事的部分好像有點被架空了 |
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怎麼會這樣?您是在運動部裡面人事權都是像鄭世忠次長這樣嗎?跟委員您報告,這次長的任用應該是行政院也是行政院? |
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你的次長全部都是行政院派給你的我的任用權應該是行政院所以他的辭職也不會跟你講就跟行政院講然後重點是對你也很不尊重不管他是怎麼來到運動部但你們也共事這麼久了要離開也要跟你講一聲怎麼會完全不理你而且他是新聞一發布之後據說就開始休假都還沒准就開始休假也是蠻奇怪都不用業務交接都不用談一下他的業務後續怎麼處理 |
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部長你覺得這樣是有符合行政流程嗎跟委員您報告這個後續我會在今天立法院完了之後回去馬上瞭解然後去做後續的處理我只是覺得因為部長您那時候來當運動部第一個運動部的成立大家很期待第二個看到您金牌選手來當部長金牌部長大家也是很期待可是正式中辭職這個事情就凸顯感覺好像有些在運動部的事情你是使不上力的 |
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你沒有辦法完全掌控全部的事情所以我是覺得蠻可惜我們是希望給你力量啦有機會的話應該就是在運動部這一塊應該要掌握然後實現你的理想啦謝謝委員然後再來我想關心一下最近棒球迷很care的一件事就是亞太棒球場 |
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那時候他因為是統一師的主場就在那邊開幕嘛然後總統也非常的重視這個事情所以他也有去參加開幕賽這個部長你應該知道嗎那天你有去嗎有當天我有參加你有去結果你知道亞太棒球場有多扯嗎因為他不是外面 |
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外面的部分,外面的部分,攤商部分因為統一師根據台南市政府的說法是統一師沒有租所以前兩天是委託統一師去招商但後來覺得說這不合規定所以台南市政府說把他拿回來招商拿回來招商那明天他又要比賽了明天又要比賽囉結果最新的消息是說 |
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最近的消息是說那個他因為要重新檢視賽事安排所以原先規劃的招商案先取消還有另外再上架代表說很可能統一市在那邊主場有好幾場也許都沒有攤商的那這個事情在棒球迷是很不能接受那為什麼因為大家都知道現在其實球團的經營球場也是 |
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也是能夠讓棒球風氣提高的一個很重要的因素大家除了是看棒球之外也是在享受一個氛圍嘛商業經營模式可是台南市這件事情居然沒有考慮到攤商的問題我看資料顯示喔是去終止是去年12月就決定了今年統一市的主場在亞太棒球場所以實際上台南市政府是有很多時間可以去規劃這個招商怎麼會搞到這樣子急救張然後還 |
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還推翻了之前的規劃又要重新上一個標案本來想說上半年就好現在又說要改掉變成全年那球迷的權益呢部長當然你會講說那個是台南市政府黃偉哲的事可是問題是你剛剛也講了嘛總統很重視這個事情部長你也很重視對不對之前那個今年賽大家也都很重視然後運動部原本就有很多業務都是輔導地方政府推廣嘛所以這件事情部長你覺得站在你的角度跟高度你可以怎麼去跟台南市溝通 |
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跟委員您報告當然首先身為運動員也希望球迷真的在關賽的時候真的有一個很好體驗我覺得委員謝謝你重視我們這個不管是運動員還是球迷的體驗我覺得這點上面確實跟運動產業非常有關係那我們也希望說藉由這樣的機會我們去與這個台南市跟統一市去好好了解該怎麼去配合你們會去了解是不是我看到這個中華職棒會長蔡其昌 |
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講說統一不應該要用日出的應該要用壬陽的那中職會長也發話了那所以我覺得運動部應該要扮演更積極的角色好不好就是是會後去了解一下嗎還是怎麼樣好 謝謝委員就是盡量朝向棒球迷的權益那邊去處理啦就是當然然後再來我跟您請教一下在上個禮拜喔也是在運動界有發生一個事情網路上傳的很多啦也有很多人傳給我說有一個怕運的游泳選手叫 |
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林玉樹他在臉書上發表了一個非常長的長文六千字那他就指控幾件事情第一個事情是他用詞其實看起來蠻難過他說不要以為我沒有手可以擋你就可以一直閃我耳光因為之前帕運游泳 |
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那個遊泳單項協會啊就一直沒有派他去參加國際賽然後後來呢他在去年的時候要去西班牙參加一個國際賽那他是募款自費那結果那個單項協會知道之後 |
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總會中華帕拉林匹克總會製造之後就在2月的時候跟他聯繫就說可以把你改成公費然後他就想說本來移木還好了那既然你要改公費就公費結果到了3月5號忽然間通知他說因為中東戰事爆發 |
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那你要去西班牙要在杜拜轉機所以整個比賽取消取消東費支持他去那他就覺得很奇怪啊只是轉機的地方發生戰爭那也可以換一個地方轉機啊為什麼要用這個理由不讓他去所以他後來自己又重新自廢 |
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重新置費用原本訂的飯店啊 機票啊 各方面已經安排好的行程全部重來因此多付了八萬塊 多付錢啊那 這個事情部長您運動部應該知道嘛第一時間我們就有掌握好 那我現在請教兩件事第一個事情是對於這個中華帕拉林PK總規這樣的做法 您的 |
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你運動部現在怎麼處理我們那時候就已經告訴他們在兩週內給我們檢討報告那上一週的事情那兩週內喔大家都很關注這件事沒錯我們也很關注這件事情那你初步了解總會有沒有問題 |
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我認為這個可能在溝通上一定有問題因為其實當時在林玉樹選手要去這個西班牙比賽的時候其實是整團被取消因為中東戰火的關係當然我們也相信這個林玉樹選手後續在自廢的情況下也依然前往到了西班牙比賽那但是當時在帕總這邊在溝通的時候整團取消的時候有跟選手們溝通好說之後會這個再安排比賽給他們參與 |
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因為帕總 人家本來就是要自廢嘛你去找人家變公廢 然後你又給人家取消 你找人家麻煩嘛這點讓我覺得 因為失利不周嘛 第二個整團取消這個事情也很奇怪啊 你就換個地方轉機就好了第三件事情 其實這個林玉樹選手他表現不錯耶他後來自廢去參加之後 在 |
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50公尺仰式或50公尺自由式都有刷新全國紀錄所以他是一個蠻不錯的選手然後他的另外一點指引就是那這個單項協會對於推派誰去參加比賽到底有沒有標準成績應該是一個標準 |
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那是不是有時候什麼潛規則比如說你教練是誰你教練跟協會比較好你就比較能夠去參加比賽然後不是用成績來當一個判定的標準所以是不是可以請運動部去了解一下不要黑箱作業公布一下像類似這樣的比賽挑選選手部分的標準是什麼部長 |
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跟委員您報告其實在這個類似的選拔標準其實都有公開出來那問題是人家就質疑啊人家就質疑說他成績一直都很不錯啊然後但是就一直沒有被挑到啊 |
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跟委員您報告,以自身案例來講的話,我18歲的時候也是全國前幾名,但是依然也是自費出國那這是我個人的案例,當然我不是在質疑林玉樹選手的問題那我們當然希望說各個單項協會、特定體育團體未來要有更加制度化,避免這樣相關的事情產生 |
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所以部長的意思是說因為你自己也遇到這個狀況所以別人就應該要我跟委員你們要不要部長我們現在是點出問題假設我們透過這個個案的討論發現說單項協會確實在推派選手過程當中會比較偏頗或沒有制度化的話就希望運動部可以把它制度化就這麼單純那這個你要去了解的這不是我們兩個在這邊對不對講了這個東西你就因為你剛剛也講嘛你要調查兩個禮拜嘛現在才一個禮拜啊 |
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所以你要等到調查結果然後順便去了解一下其他協會的做法嘛到底是不是因為成績在推派嘛對 跟委員報告確實是這樣是因為成績推派跟委員報告確實是我們會就是等他報告結束會發文給委員您對 那請你就針對各個單項協會怎麼推派選手定一個標準出來好不好 |
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當然沒問題最後一個議題啦那個我們很多國中小都會有運動老師嘛我現在講針對專任的部分那現在專任老師他是各縣市自行招聘那有的老師有的體育老師他可能比如說台南人好了但他是新北招聘他想要回鄉服務就沒有辦法或者他搬家搬到其他縣市他也不能他就要到另外一個縣市重新去考 |
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那我知道當初這個運動老師的招聘是等於是學那個其他的專人老師的做法啦那可是其他的專人老師都有一個叫室外借聘的做法就是說他可以找到另外一個縣市如果有人要跟他換或者是什麼他就可以借聘過去那為什麼運動老師就不體育老師就不行為什麼 |
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跟委員您報告這點上面我確實沒有了解到好那您去了解一下好不好沒問題就是可以讓他室外借聘嗎你去了解一下好不好那也是一樣再回覆我可以嗎跟委員您報告我們會後去還有順便再講一個如果你還是要去研究的話就是像有一些學校的 |
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而體育老師、運動教練他們因為三年要考核嘛那三年考核都是用成績來做考核那實際上有一個不公平之處啦因為他到一個學校去也許他非常認真在教但是原本那個球隊他的實力就不如其他所以他可能讓那個球隊的成績進步但是他就是沒有辦法擠到前進名那 |
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我覺得這個就讓那些教練我覺得不公平了這點上我覺得非常感謝委員對於專人運動教練相關的體制上有遇到問題其實這點上我也相對的非常重視就如同您所說的這個確實是我們需要去思考到底如何去幫助基層的專人運動教練所以大概什麼時候會有一個結果出來 |
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這個跟體育班的這個問題也會一起在演繹因為體育班跟專業運動教練都會有一起相關的事情那大概什麼時候?壓個日期好不好? |
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跟我有您報告 那這個在體育班的部分的話我們確實今年有委託師大來去做相關的分工還有這個後續的這個部長 是什麼時候會做一個決定啦不是委託啦 委託大家研究都是天荒地老啦什麼時候可以 你都覺得這是一個問題了嘛那什麼時候要解決這個問題嘛壓一個時間啦因為這個真的壓一個時間 不然你只是做研究啊研究就是有利有弊 利害得心分析完之後你就不動了啊 |
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跟委員要做一個決定這個部分是否可以會後我們確認後給委員會後比如說三個月決定是不是如果委員我們因為其實真的體育班專任運動教練這件事情其實真的會牽扯沒有其實我覺得這兩個事情是切開來看的不必然一定要扯到體育班我現在講的是說那些教練三年考核的問題對你現在考核調整就好了不必要說一定要綁什麼大定格不用啊 |
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考核吧不然你兩個你一個月內針對考核的事情給我一個報告考核的部分一個月內好謝謝謝謝我原因 |