| IVOD_ID |
168403 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168403 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T11:18:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T11:31:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc7b9fd49c8a5b6e553b509ad0e4ca3d866155eb231b4402889db33f131730d363f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:18:56 - 11:31:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長、交通部次長就「加速落實人本交通環境-檢討『永續提升人行安全計畫』執行現況、簡化審核行政流程及協助地方政府改善行人安全設施之精進作為」進行專題報告並備質詢。） |
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麻煩請內政部劉部長以及交通部陳次長劉部長陳次長 |
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好 部長 次長今天我們討論這個交通的議題那本席要點出一個重點就是我們測速照相的一個部分我想我們的召委也都非常關心我們可以先請教一下不管是部長或次長我們測速照相的目的到底是什麼 |
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可以按開麥克風 來 市長簡單講 這不是陷阱題啦你就是講 車速照相的目的是什麼其實大家都知道速度的管理速度是對交通安全是有一定的影響啦所以車速照相或取地我們要的是要安全啦我們是希望能夠提升用路人的安全然後不是說我要為了要罰錢 對不對好 感謝那再來 全台灣到目前全台灣我們現在有多少次的車速照相 |
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委員好跟委員報告現在全台灣的測速桿的部分一共有18861886那我們一年全台灣這樣子有多少的這個超速的案件平均下來每一支一年會拍幾張測速照相有沒有這樣的統計我們有 |
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這都不是陷阱題我們現在很客觀實務的來討論就是說我們的超速的問題以及我們怎麼樣防範有沒有一個數據譬如說我們全台灣一千八百多支測速照相機大家有沒有一個思考點或是說有好奇心那一支平均一年會拍幾張測速照相超速 |
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平均的話是我們這邊沒有說一個確實的一個等級但是現在每一年的測數是有慢慢在遞減有慢慢遞減沒關係那有沒有沒有平均概念差不多一支三千件兩千件平均的話大概一件一支大概也會有 |
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兩到三千 好兩到三千謝謝來那部長次長我們現在來探討一個重點平均一支測速照相是兩千到三千件那確實的數字可以再調但是本席跟內政部警政署調了一個資料是過去大家沒有去想到的那就到底是全六都縣市前十名的測速照相他的弱點集中在哪邊以及他拍的案件數有多少你看一下台南 |
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第一名是台南第一名我們看到是這個永康區的這個高速一階他有八千多件一年那即便是到第十名他也有兩千多件那我為什麼會請同仁會去畫這個顏色呢就代表說連續三年他前十名基本上都是這一些測數照相的地點那換言之是什麼 |
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就代表說這前十名其實都是很搶錢的一個測速照相而有沒有去做改善如果說你真的認為說那個地方有安全疑慮的話我們就應該重點著手譬如說從道路的設計從標線的規劃從事前的指引告訴用路人說這個地方相對來講很容易被拍照所以你應該要去做調整但很遺憾的是從112年、130年到114年的資料 |
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前十名基本上都是這一些那我就想啦是不是只有台南是這個樣子不是喔我們再來看台北市我們剛剛講說全台灣一年一隻測速照相是兩千到三千件但你看台北市第一名有幾千件上萬兩萬多件是我們全台測速照相的七倍之多 |
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那什麼意思就代表說在這個地點裡面經過的用路人很明顯的在那邊就容易超速那但是超速的成因到底是那邊的速限明顯比用路人的觀感來的低還是說那裡的道路設計真的有問題讓民眾經過那邊的時候沒有辦法減速 |
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那如果說只是一年來就算了可是你看連續三年111年 112年 113年到114年第一名全部都是水源快速道路往南所以換言之大家即便是在那邊被拍拍到怕了可是還是沒有解決問題啊就是說用路人沒有因為說你的道路設計變慢或是說你的道路設計怎麼樣調整讓用路人到那邊自然而然可以相對比較慢的速度而 |
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反而一直被拍照那這樣子只變成是說用路人沒有辦法解決安全的問題國庫增加沒有錯可是我們的目的並不是要罰款嘛我們的目的是要讓大家能夠安全的減速嘛是不是這樣子 |
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跟委員報告其實委員有點出這個重點所以從去年的12月開始就有委員跟在我們內政或者是交通委員會都有特別點出來所以我們就開始有邀請過交通部跟專家學者還有我們地方政府來做一個研討我們有修正就是取締一般交通違規的作業程序針對測速桿的這些設置我們有訂了一些原則 |
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跟要汰換的一些機制每半年要去檢討一次所以我們這個部分我們已經在逐漸但重點在你不是說在這邊因為拍的多或少然後你如果說一開始如同市長開宗明義表達其實測速照相我們的用意跟目的都是為了安全 |
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那應該重點在於是說我們針對這前十名好一千多隻我沒有辦法一年全部改善但是每年至少每都都改善前十名他的道路設計有沒有可以更精進讓用路人經過的時候可以自然來放慢速度因為我們知道嘛從過去這幾年大家講行人地獄或是說我們參考日本政府的做法其實日本很大的一個觀念都是他們從道路設計著手 |
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讓大家自然而然比較在那個地方沒有辦法開快那自然而然他的肇事率就會下降所以這需要什麼配合第一需要內政部警政署的配合因為你要了解這個資料我已經幫你整理出來了這也是警政署提供給我的資料第二要交通部跟內政部國土署這邊去針對這至少前十名如果每年我們都可以改善前十名那這前十名他也許預期到今年這個第一名他就不會是第一名了 |
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那這樣子自然而然民怨可以下降可是安全也可以提升還有更重要的是我們確實有對症下藥來 再來看一下新北市本席的選區就有三個地方石門 林口 泰山都是本席選區而這連續三年都榜上有名甚至第一名石門區這個台二線27.5它就變成是每年都五六千件 六七千件 |
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那就代表我相信不是人經過石門特別愛超速嘛而是應該是那邊的道路設計看似比較寬容易超速或者是說那裡的速限相對明顯定的比較低還是有什麼樣的一個考量但是如果你沒有改善我今天不是要取消測速照相喔我今天是說應該要針對這前十名你要去了解他的成因為何該改善的地方要改善那這才能夠真真正正的把 |
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我們講說頭痛醫頭 腳痛醫腳但是現在你看到頭痛了你不能只醫腳啊你要看到頭痛的地方你要醫頭啊所以本席才講說這是對症下藥所以可不可以具體的承諾因為今天我覺得這個事情它會是一個比較中長期的計畫 |
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但我期待的是內政部、交通部兩個部會要合作把這個資料給調出來之後每年針對各縣市的前10名的測數照相多的地方它就是違規熱點違規熱點就應該地方政府跟中央一起共同配合先優先針對這10個、20個違規熱點來去做一個改善可以嗎 |
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是 這部分我們會來處理那其實 感謝啦 您的保證我很感謝可是我還是想要聽到部長跟次長的說明來 是不是部長跟次長因為我覺得這就是一個大議題我覺得不能只是丟給警政署或不能只丟給國土署當然委員長久在關心這個交通的問題那我想跟委員報告一下我們本來就有中央級的大安匯報也有地方級的大安匯報大家都知道測速照相不在於為了要幫地方政府或中央政府搶錢 |
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是為了用路人的安全既然是為了用路人安全的話有很多工程技術面的問題呢現在出現的狀況會是像委員所關心的就是我們其實是穿著衣服改衣服啦沒有本來就這樣子看現在車越來越多然後大家都會搶 |
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或者是因為交通或是觀光發達的關係所以這個都是後端那所以我們要從頭開始去改善的話我們現在只能說就是一直滾動性的調整所以市長也跟我同樣的一個觀念啦市長當然我的意思是說因為我們要滾動性改善我們也要知道說我們要從哪裡改善當然我們都有一定的資料在改善啊這一個資料就是我以前問過其實沒有這樣的一個資料 |
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590.914 |
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609.419 |
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是我特別發函請警政署去重新統計才有的資料所以我可以把這資料原封不動的再給部長給次長因為過去沒有整理過這個資料但既然我們已經整理出這個資料我就要拜託部長次長好好運用這個資料至少你知道我們前十名他已經是以統計學來講 |
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613.68 |
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635.493 |
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應該是大多數都在中間但是極端的例子極端的例子就變成是說他就是outlieroutlier就是變成是我們應該要優先去針對的對象讓他改善改善之後讓他趨近於中間那這樣子才符合統計上的一個意義我了解文官性的部分但是我們是全面性的 |
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635.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
663.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
因為我們認為義照式的路段有容易改善跟困難改善的部分所以我今天給相關的資料次長跟部長這邊可以針對這樣的資料剛剛本席也提到了是不是針對22個縣市來盤點前10名因為我現在整理的是六都那還有其他縣市的部分也需要警政署也需要內政部也需要交通部一起來做那什麼時候可以針對這個資料提供給本席那以及你們要後續做的改善的一個具體成果 |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
683.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
具體的時程成果兩個月內什麼跟委員報告這個整體的資料就針對委員剛剛所提的我們會再做一個盤點好然後盤點之後我們資料給先盤點的資料我們先送給委員是那整個監察部我們大概要三個月的時間有一定的期程我們來做 |
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683.613 |
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711.258 |
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好那這樣子本席能不能要求就是你盤點22縣市的前10名的這個測數照相的資料一個月內提供那你們要具體怎麼樣跟各縣市來做溝通針對這前10名本席希望看到是每年都針對前10名你就可以有個方法跟有個步驟去把錢花在刀口上真真正正的改善三個月提供改善的相關辦法跟具體的作為一個月提供22縣市的資料這樣可以嗎 |
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714.019 |
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729.644 |
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因為這個牽涉到交通部跟內政部大家共同有關所以你們兩位在這邊太好了所以我才會在招委英明的判案之下我今天特別提出來所以我是不是可以跟委員說明一下原則上內政部他們會把相關的高壓測數的這樣的一個 |
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758.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
資料提供出來那我們交通部會跟內政部來共同討論也會跟縣市政府來討論因為還是必須要跟縣市政府共同討論然後會有一個改善的方法是怎麼樣三個月內嘛好不好我們提給委員參考再麻煩重點是要執行跟落實方案來落實把錢花在刀口上改善真正容易造勢的路段然後讓安全性能夠提升好不好我們三個月把那個相關的方法提出來好 謝謝 |