| IVOD_ID |
168382 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168382 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T11:35:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T11:46:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc786498784a3735d7bff16f9abdda18f34775daf206319287785564259685e84df5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:59 - 11:46:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、公平交易委員會代理主任委員、衛生福利部首長、法務部首長及行政院消費者保護處首長就「中東衝突加劇市場不確定性，致國內包括乙烯、塑膠、化肥、瀝青等石化原物料及物流成本增加，屢傳缺料、囤貨現象等之問題評估、因應策略與現況」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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接下來請謝依鳳委員質詢謝謝主席 我想要請我們農業部的陳部長 請陳部長委員好 |
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陳部長早安你知道嗎現在中東的衝突你上次跟我講說肥料不會缺不會缺也不會脹也不會脹對我們採用凍脹的對可是問題是你不知道它會什麼時候是不是 |
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不知道怎樣 我說不知道他要打到什麼時候啊是不是過去評估是在八個禮拜以內嘛可是現在如果半年一年還有你即便說現在不會缺但是民眾的或者是農民的預期心理你怎麼樣子去解決 |
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我分兩個部分其實我們農業部門針對肥料動漲確保農民用肥的一個優先權我們前COVID-19 111年的時候我們就持續動漲而且價差補貼到現在我知道然後中東戰爭的話我們會開更多的品項去滿足農民的需求問題是 |
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你提到了COVID-19嘛我們都記得在COVID-19的時候這一套系統就在做但是那時候就發生了民眾的預期心理那囤積了非常多的化肥 |
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那也導致了那時候化肥是沒有辦法放久的嘛放久了會硬化等等那也導致了那時候後續產生了非常多的問題現在也是同樣的情況當政府宣布說 |
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肥料是充足的 那時候政府也宣布肥料充足啊 但是農民的預期心理是沒有辦法控制的嘛 對不對 |
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農民對政府的信心不足尤其是現在當我們的塑膠袋發生了塑膠力不足的情況那也產生了有囤積然後沒有辦法有效的放到需要的店家手上在這樣子的情況下如果肥料也發生同樣的問題我想要請教的是怎麼處置 |
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我跟委員報告其實在COVID-19那個肥料之亂的情況我有參與在裡面那我們也記取了那時候的一個時間序列的部分所以肥料凍漲因為當時農民要囤肥第一個怕肥料不夠第二個怕肥料漲價所以在這個之前其實在中東戰爭一爆發的時候其實我們就啟動了很多宣導 |
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這第二個部分就是我們的農藥實名制在那個時候農藥實名制並沒有落實那現在農藥實名制落實了以後我們把這個後台跟台肥的公肥是對接的所以從肥料廠到農會或者是一般肥料行到農民他的所有的這些量我們都能夠掌握所以隨時可以了解哪個地方需要什麼樣的肥料我們供應到哪個農會系統那如果他有異常的時候我們就會去了解 |
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這些農民本身所以那這樣子是不是有一點點變相的限制農民去購買我想我們並沒有去限制但是過去幾年來我們是民族的國家對我知道不能限制民眾農民購買肥料 |
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我覺得不會限制農民購買肥料但是肥料他們用的過去的習慣不能說他要存明年的肥料那個部分我想我們會用溝通的方式跟農民 那農民我想經過我們這幾個禮拜的溝通他們也了解其實我們 |
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打包票肥料不漲他們就安心然後同時我們也滿足他及時的需求所以現在目前並沒有農民想要去囤積肥料因為囤積肥料有時候肥料囤積完了有失氣反而會造成結塊所以這個部分我想經過這麼多年來的努力我想農民大概了解到我們農業部本身的一些作為 |
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那你怎麼樣子確保基層的這個經銷商會不會就是利用這樣子訊息不對稱或者不熟悉這樣子實名制操作他如果變相大手勒是不是 |
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我想我們後台用組合的方式不是 我們後台有供應到商系特別是一般的肥料行然後肥料行的實名制可以聯合農民的購肥如果說肥料行進貨的大於他出貨的那表示他有可能會有囤肥的部分那我們就會去了解所以我們透過這個機制現在是蠻平順的啦沒有這樣的一個方式 |
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所以我是說當然你是說現在我是說你怎麼樣子就是說你都是用後台嘛是我說但是如果他已經就是變相的大售漲價這沒有辦法從後台了解啊你知道供貨 |
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你是從供貨端嘛可是變相的漲價以及將這些成本然後導致於就是說就是讓農民的生產成本變高嘛然後售價沒有上漲的情況下那農民的收入就減少啦 對不對 |
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我跟委員報告如果肥料隨便一般的肥料行隨便漲價的話農民就會反應那農民反應我們馬上知道那同樣的現在的肥料我們的吸收是百分之百吸收然後我們跟台肥來協助如果他漲價的時候我們就不供肥給他了肥料行如果漲價我就不供肥他就沒有辦法賣肥料所以這個部分我是不是能請教那個公平會主委 |
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因為這涉及到的就是搭售嘛如果有搭售的情況那你怎麼樣子認定它是漲價因為你只要它變相的漲價那個部長已經說了啊它就不供肥給這個農業那個農藥的廠商啊是不是我跟委員報告一下搭售的重點可能不在於價格而是在於教育自由的剝奪啦所以有幾個前提就是你實施這個搭售本身的廠商在市場上是有獨佔力的或是具有相當市場力量 |
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那等於說你脅迫一般民眾去買這個東西他必須同時購買別的東西那我們在乎的是說業者有沒有利用這樣的方式來排除市場的競爭至於說價格高低的跟大售之間的關係比較不是那麼直接了 |
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所以如果變相的漲價以及導致於到時候那個市場上又面臨到像塑膠袋的這個問題的時候那當然你講的是後端啦我講的是源頭啦今天剛好部長在這裡啦所以我也順便請教他他說如果在搭收變相的漲價的時候他就不供貨給人 |
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怎麼樣子你們在行政院這個機制底下能夠有效的抑制我們肥料就是說農民買不到肥料或者是肥料的價格變相的漲價那導致於農民的就是他們的收入變相的減少這個東西我們政府部門怎麼預防嘛 是不是 |
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我跟委員說明因為肥料80%都是由台肥供應的那台肥供應本身就有一些價差的吸收了以後我們是把補助的價差提供給台肥不是給肥料行所以萬一某一個肥料行拿到台肥比較高的價錢賣的時候我們後台如果有反應我們馬上鎖住然後我們會讓農民引導到其他的肥料行 |
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那這樣子的話肥料行就不敢輕易因為它不是獨佔它在那個區域有很多的肥料行那每一個肥料行如果說它漲了農民可以跑到別的肥料行去如果那個區域的每個肥料行同步漲那就有可能涉及到聯合烘台價格的部分那公平匯的部分就可以去處理 |
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好好謝謝我希望說肥料價格不要變相的漲價不要撥就是不要傷害農民的權利那也不要就是讓消費者的權益受到損害好不好我想委員對肥料這個價格一直蠻關切的我們也一直努力在做這方面的好謝謝我是不是再跟主席借幾分鐘請教一下江次長好謝謝兩位 |
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市长好你是OTN的副总代表是我想要请问一下根据台美对等的协定2025年到2029年我们将要对美采购252亿的电力设备 |
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然後還有電網設備發電機儲能設備那我問你這樣子的設備是不是能夠跟我們現行的這個電網強韌計畫跟再生能源的併網計畫還有儲能建設的目標能夠銜接的上你在談判的過程當中有沒有涉及到這一塊跟委員報告我們在這個協議裡面所說的要 |
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去採購的這個部分呢是必須要是主要是有關於這個現行的機組的部分而且呢他必須要經過公開招標的方式所以未來我們採購的所需要的這個品項絕對是符合我們所需要的所以也有辦法就是說跟目前我們設定的目標嗎 |
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是 有辦法嗎 國營師對 我們的機組就是主要是採購電力的設備部分是在機組啦那主要是跟電廠的更新改善有關那電力的那個電網的部分只是很小的一部分那基本上還是我們國內自己在就是這個沒有對外去採購的 |
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所以這個部分跟那個對美的採購沒有涉及只是涉及原本的基礎的部分好謝謝喔那也希望說我們的江次長你也是OTN的副總代表那未來還有非常多的這些關稅談判的問題那也希望說能夠協助好不好謝謝好謝謝謝一鋒委員 |