| IVOD_ID |
168340 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168340 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T10:01:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T10:13:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc75de574d9b418eadeff16f9abdda18f348ce3249aa741ed410c047472bec184315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:01:56 - 10:13:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、公平交易委員會代理主任委員、衛生福利部首長、法務部首長及行政院消費者保護處首長就「中東衝突加劇市場不確定性，致國內包括乙烯、塑膠、化肥、瀝青等石化原物料及物流成本增加，屢傳缺料、囤貨現象等之問題評估、因應策略與現況」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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接下來我們請鍾嘉賓委員質詢 |
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好 主席 再讓我嚴監禁 列席政務司長 官員 會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者 女士先生有請經濟部 拱部長 農業部 陳部長以及衛福部的林次長然後公平會的陳代理主委請準備 |
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莊委員長兩位部長好 次長好盤點大宗物資進口依賴度建立供應鏈數據庫防炒作來我們看一下首先似乎美伊戰事播映見日但是仍然要為未來做準備我們看到了包材肥料農業部跟經濟部都出手了好那我們常常有一句話說請看下一頁不要浪費任何一次的危機兩位部長跟次長還記得在26年前有一個921地震嗎 |
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那個時候發生的是我在地方政府屏東縣政府服務很多地方主動要去救災結果高速公路塞住了後來做了什麼事情呢因為921正在這初期沒有實時交通管制道路交通混亂後來災防法27條跟災防救法第30條就設定了在緊急狀況的時候政府會介入對這些道路運輸的優先使用順序部長兩位部長你同意嗎 |
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前事不忘後事之資來往下看所以呢在昨天我在衛生委員會我就問了我們的環境部部長我說在資源有限的情況下要建立使用的優先順序情況緊急 原味要上漲缺貨 民眾搶購 以息不穩我們的醫材 書藝等等等都需要用到塑膠容器來往下看那請問一下 |
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三個部位 農業部的資財 衛福部的醫財跟經濟部他們商家所使用的包財哪一個最重要 你們有共識嗎來 次長說我們的醫財最重要 對不對我同意 環境部長也同意但是呢 你看馬上有意見了 我們包財也很重要啊後面農業部長你不出聲 農民怎麼辦所以怎麼辦 醫財優先啊醫財優先 好 所以我在昨天的時候其實就請 應該是反過來 |
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環境部會同經濟部會合部農業部就塑膠原料的優先供應順序但是我們是足量供應給他們沒有所謂的足量當缺料的時候你就要管制但是誰給多誰給少誰來決定 |
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是環境部規定還是經濟部決定那目前來講的話你們有沒有定出來的 必要性跟急迫性的優先順位有沒有定出來理論上是這個 理論上我當然知道有啊 實務上有沒有沒有 理論上是依財優先啦不 我現在不是誰優先 我說這個優先順位有沒有定出來了 |
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我們會逐量供應給醫材第一個我不是在問逐量供應給醫材我是說未來有這麼多需求者誰優先不夠的時候誰給多少誰給多誰給少這個要不要定出來要定出來好不好我相信你們可能還沒定要定出來環境部因為他負責檢縮他要定了來那個次長請回我們請那個公平會上來往下看所以呢過往的危機啊過往的危機呢我們會怎麼處理 |
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有沒有看過過去三十幾年前的擠兌我現在公平會陳大理事會銀行發生擠兌的時候你覺得你是銀行你會怎麼做限制大家一天只能領一萬塊你會這樣做嗎如果是擠兌的情況當然這也是一個可能的選項不是通常銀行怎樣他把所有的鈔票擺在櫃檯上說你們放心來拿不缺大家一看一看哇錢那麼多摸摸鼻子不要解單啦他會損失利息是不是這樣子 |
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所以我們在遇到危機的時候管理方法不同有些時候你要防止恐慌性的需求產生孔部長同不同意所以我們經常不斷的宣布我們足量供應就是預防恐慌性的需求是不是這樣很好但是口罩呢農業部長口罩的時候我們怎麼做我們有說要多少給多少我都無限量供應有這樣嗎那個農業部長我先問你因為我不是問次長我是問農業部長 |
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你還記得他怎麼做嗎口罩口罩當年怎麼做口罩當時我用實名制對不對嚴峻的時候是實名制的方式剛剛我們召委也說到了有時候恐慌來之前我們要讓大家安心有時候真的不足了我們要實名制要管制對不對好謝謝還往下看所以呢台灣要哪些原物料高度仰賴進口部長 拱部長你有確認過嗎 |
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能源的部分是我們陳部長糧食的部分也有確認過嘛最主要是畜牧用的飼料往下看所以呢我們看到以西塑膠飆漲啊今天我在上週揭發了台塑化假減產真烘台他辯解啊他說沒有啊我還是按照過去我的客戶 |
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一年平均的月需求我還是先給一半再給四分之一再給四分之一他還是給他啊部長 兩位部長 國務部長你相信嗎 |
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我們有去了解有去了解他是說法是這樣為什麼他要這樣做如果那時候台塑化的秉希以希他是像跟銀行擠兌一樣你要多少我給你避免恐慌性的這個需求結果會怎麼樣有人來搶貨搶到家裡囤積只要公平會抓不到囤積的暴利不是台塑化拿到是這些搶購的這些客戶拿到是不是這樣子 |
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所以他的說法說我不要讓他們去囤積去取得這個超額利潤乾脆要囤我來囤你覺得這樣的說法合理嗎很難判斷需要檢調調查 |
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所以說啊 當有一個斷貨危機的時候 手上有貨有料的他就會思考 我要是足量供應 試考別人在賺啦要是我這邊開始管制 到時候要給多要給少 我在賺 往下看所以我先問一下 如何遇上炒作首先要掌握真實的需求 陳主委你是不是同意 |
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市場上目前的供需狀況是當然要了解的那你如何掌握真實的需求關於塑膠力所產生的各種產品從進口商、大盤商、中盤商、零碗商、消費者請問經濟部你如何掌握這些節點的真實需求我們都有這個看到原物料的去向我們都有了解確定嗎 我往下看來 從進口商到大盤商、中盤商你怎麼確定它的進跟消 |
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你能掌握他的競銷項嗎如果巨乙烯的話是非常清楚到塑膠粒往下走他會囤在巨乙烯而已啦他會囤在塑膠粒啦因為塑膠粒的話是國內有供應而且還有進口啦你如果要掌握我告訴你啦因為我從財政委員會過來啦競銷項哪裡最清楚發票啦 |
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是不是這樣子所以要掌握這些有發票的這個金流我可以知道它的競銷向嘛 對不對往下看好 那什麼工具我已經幫你講了什麼工具可以幫助政府建立資料庫金流的部分從進口商到中盤商都有競銷向的發票從零售商到消費者可能就沒有但是物流的部分除了報關資料之外你們知道過去稅捐機關怎麼查網購到底的營業額嗎 |
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網購的這些賣家 你知道他銀額怎麼查嗎有沒有聽說 我跟你們講啊他如果覺得這個網購的賣家說我上個月只做了一百萬他去查他的什麼 查他你到底多少宅 物流 黑貓啊不對啊 你上個月你交給黑貓的配送物件就好幾百單了 怎麼可能銀額只有一百萬 了解嗎 |
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所以部長除了金流的競銷項的發票之外還有物流的貨運的存取單啊你們有沒有把這個東西納入你是說要掌握什麼沒有關鍵的有進口依賴度的這些物料我們要為了緊急時我們可能沒有辦法足量供應我要給需要的人我要給他實際的需求的人我怎麼知道他過去每個月用多少我可以跟他謊報啊對不對 |
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經濟部有沒有能力掌握 光平會如果是生產端 我們是有是的 現在不是生產端嘛 部長現在囤的在哪裡在中間的通路端嘛 陳主委 |
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來 請教一下 你覺得呢 你要怎麼做對於這個所謂生產端的一些供需狀況我們必須要 通常都是在個案的時候 我們會進去調解是的 從生產到最後的消費者當中還有什麼 還有物流嘛 有中間的盤商嘛盤商你如何掌握他的進貨跟出貨有沒有屯 屯在他手上 進的多出的少 這叫屯嘛有沒有辦法掌握 部長了解了沒有要怎麼去掌握這些 |
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我們如果有個案的話我們會去聊起來有個案啊但是當你要實施必要的時候要實施限量供應的時候你怎麼知道他真實的需求往下看所以呢我希望啊農業部也好經濟部也好當然衛福部他們比較容易掌握因為醫察的管制比較嚴所以呢多元的來源進口商這部分政府會參與從大盤中盤這裡面有競銷向的發票到了零售商這邊到了消費者手上可能還有物流的委託單 |
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那這些數據有誰打算去掌握?我是針對什麼?針對這些有高度進口依賴的大宗物資,它所產生的衍生的民生物資,我們去掌握它的實際需求,以及它的去向。部長,這樣你同意嗎?跟你簡單講,你打算怎麼做? |
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如果這樣的話可能要一個很大的一個數據的一個現在就AI什麼AI就搞定了我們召委他就說了他是科技他是數位你問召委他就可以幫你解決我們嘗試來做但是這個東西是不是有牽涉到所謂的營業秘密還是是的沒有做所以你們要去研究你們有三八數對不對好陳部長農業的部分有沒有辦法做到 |
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農業部分基本上我們針對主要的這些原物料的部分我們其實已經掌握進口商本身跟飼料廠之間的這些異動那往下通路的部分呢那基本上飼料比較不會有在另外通路通常都是進口來以後在飼料廠飼料廠就到農民端了是 所以你們供應的比較短經濟部管的各行業供應廠醫產的部分大部分有管制所以兩個主張請兩位部長跟主委承諾一下 |
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盤點目前高度仰賴進口的民生必需品大宗物資並預設優先供應的順序清單可以嗎?應該可以最後就全國物流業的競銷或資料可以服以各供應鏈的節點的財稅資料試著去可能建立一個在不影響商業營業秘密的情況之下競銷或者數據資料或者可行性可行性而已不是叫你們馬上做可行性這是必須要做的 |
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但是怎麼樣做才是隕蕩哪些物品哪些品項要做怎麼去做才不會侵犯到我們民間人民的營業秘密這個是不是請兩位部長跟陳代理主委兩個院內提一個書面報告來評估一下可以嗎可以在沒有違背相關的規定之下我們一定可以做一些完整的評估國務部長可以嗎好陳主委可以嗎 |
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針對特定 針對全面性的我們比較沒有這個空間有大眾進口依賴的對 那什麼是大眾進口有高度進口依賴的這個名單你跟國安單位拿好 謝謝好 我們謝謝這個 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府機關首長、官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者、女士先生。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-04-09T10:02:26.171000+08:00 |
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有請經濟部龔部長、農業部陳部長以及衛福部的林次長，公平會的陳代理主委請準備。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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鍾委員早。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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兩位部長好、次長好。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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今天我的議題為「盤點大宗物資進口依賴度，建立供應鏈數據庫防炒作」。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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美伊戰事撥雲見日，但是我們仍然要為未來做準備，我們看到包材、肥料的部分農業部跟經濟部都出手了，我們常常說一句話：不要浪費任何一次的危機。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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兩位部長跟次長還記得26年前有一個921地震嗎？ |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-04-09T10:03:06.373000+08:00 |
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當時發生的時候，我在地方政府、屏東縣政府服務，很多地方主動要去救災，結果高速公路塞住了，後來做了什麼事情呢？ |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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因為921震災初期沒有實施交通管制，道路交通混亂，後來災害防救法第二十七條跟第三十條就設定了在緊急狀況的時候，政府會介入這些道路運輸的優先使用順序，兩位部長同意嗎？同意。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-04-09T10:03:24.805000+08:00 |
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2026-04-09T10:03:25.966000+08:00 |
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前事不忘，後事之師。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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所以昨天我在衛環委員會就問了環境部部長，我說在資源有限的情況下要建立使用的優先順序，情況緊急造成原物料上漲、缺貨缺料，導致民眾搶購，乙烯不穩，但我們的醫材、輸液等等都需要用到塑膠容器。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-09T10:03:53.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
請問三個部會，農業部的資材、衛福部的醫材跟經濟部他們商家所使用的包材哪一個最重要？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-09T10:03:53.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-09T10:03:55.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
你們有共識嗎？來！ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-09T10:03:55.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-09T10:03:57.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
次長說我們的醫材最重要，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-09T10:03:57.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-09T10:03:57.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
我同意！ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-09T10:03:59.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:06.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
環境部長也同意，但是你看馬上就有意見了，我們包材也很重要啊，後面農業部長你不出聲，農民怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:06.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:08.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
所以要怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:08.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:09.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
沒有，醫材優先。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:09.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:20.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
好，所以我在昨天的時候其實就請……應該是反過來，請環境部會同經濟部、衛福部、農業部就塑膠原料的優先供應順序…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.936 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:21.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:24.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
但是我們是足量供應給他們…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:24.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:27.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
沒有所謂的足量，當缺料的時候，你就要管制嘛，但是要先給誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:27.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:28.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
誰要給多、誰要給少，要由誰來決定？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:31.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:33.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
是環境部決定還是經濟部決定？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:34.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:35.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
目前來講的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:35.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:36.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
你們有沒有訂出來了？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:37.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:39.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
必要性跟急迫性的優先順序有沒有訂出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:39.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:39.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
理論上是…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:40.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:42.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
理論上我當然知道，那實務上有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:42.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:44.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
沒有，理論上是醫材優先啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:44.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:47.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
不是，現在不是誰優先，我說這個優先順序有沒有訂出來了？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:49.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:51.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
我們會足量供應給醫材，第一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:51.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:55.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
我不是在問足量供應給醫材，我是說未來有這麼多需求者，誰優先？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:56.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-09T10:04:58.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
不足的時候誰給多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-09T10:04:58.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:00.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
誰要給多、誰要給少，這個有沒有訂出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:00.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:01.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
要訂出來嘛，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:02.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:04.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
我相信你們可能還沒訂，要訂出來！ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:04.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:06.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
環境部因為負責減塑，它要訂…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:07.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:11.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
次長請回，請公平會上來。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:12.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:16.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
所以過往的危機我們會怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:17.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:22.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
有沒有看過三十幾年前的擠兌？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:22.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:27.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
我現在請公平會的陳代理主委，銀行發生擠兌的時候，如果你是銀行，你會怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:28.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:32.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
限制大家一天只能領1萬塊，你會這樣做嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:32.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:35.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
如果是擠兌的情況，當然這是一個可能的選項。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:35.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:36.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
不是，通常銀行會怎樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:37.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:40.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
它會把所有的鈔票擺在櫃臺上，說你們放心來拿，不缺！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:41.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:42.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
大家一看，哇！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:42.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:46.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
錢那麼多，摸摸鼻子，不要解單，因為會損失利息，是不是這樣子？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:47.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-09T10:05:56.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
所以我們在遇到危機的時候，管理方法會不同，有些時候你要防止恐慌性的需求產生，龔部長同不同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-09T10:05:57.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:03.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
所以我們經常不斷的宣布，我們足量供應就是為了預防恐慌性的需求，是不是這樣？是。是。很好！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:04.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:05.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
但是口罩呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:06.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:07.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
請問農業部長，口罩的時候，我們是怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:08.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:12.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我們有說要多少給多少，我都無限量供應，有這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:12.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:17.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
請問農業部長，我先問你，因為我不是問次長，我是問農業部長，你還記得當年怎麼做嗎？口罩…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:18.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:19.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
對，口罩當年是怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:20.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:21.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我想口罩當時…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:21.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:23.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我們用實名制，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:23.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:24.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
嚴峻的時候是採用實名制的方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:25.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:33.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
剛剛我們的召委也說到了，有時候恐慌來之前，我們要讓大家安心，有時候真的不足了，我們要用實名制、要管制，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:33.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:34.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
好，謝謝！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:35.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:38.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
所以臺灣有哪些原物料高度仰賴進口？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:38.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:39.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
龔部長有確認過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:42.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:43.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
能源的部分是。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:43.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:45.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
能源的部分是？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:45.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:47.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
請問陳部長，糧食的部分也有確認過嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:47.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-09T10:06:49.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
最主要是畜牧用的飼料。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-09T10:06:49.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:00.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
好，往下看，所以我們看到乙烯、塑膠飆漲，我在上週揭發了台塑化假減產真哄抬，它卻辯解！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:01.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:11.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
它說沒有，它還是按照其客戶過去一年平均的月需求，它還是先給一半，再給四分之一、再給四分之一，它還是給它啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.83 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:13.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:14.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
兩位部長、龔部長你相信嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:16.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:17.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
我們有去了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:17.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:18.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
有去了解？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:19.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:20.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
它的說法是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:20.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:20.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
為什麼它要這樣做？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:21.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:31.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
如果那時候台塑化的丙烯、乙烯就跟銀行擠兌一樣，你要多少，它給你，避免恐慌性的需求，結果會怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:31.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:41.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
會有人來搶貨，搶到家裡囤積，只要公平會抓不到，囤積的暴利不是台塑化拿到，而是這些搶購的客戶拿到，是不是這樣子？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:42.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:45.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
所以它說它不要讓他們去囤積、去取得這個超額利潤，要囤乾脆它來囤，你覺得這樣的說法合理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:45.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:45.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
很難判斷？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:45.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-09T10:07:46.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
需要檢調調查？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-09T10:07:55.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:08.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
所以說當有斷貨危機的時候，手上有貨、有料的就會思考，它要是足量供應，到時候是別人在賺，要是從它這邊開始管制，到時候要給多還是要給少，是它在賺。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:09.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:15.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
所以我先問一下要如何預防炒作，首先是要掌握真實的需求，陳主委是不是同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:17.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:18.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
市場上目前的供需狀況當然要了解…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:19.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:21.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
但你要如何掌握真實的需求？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:21.933000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:30.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
關於塑膠粒所產生的各種產品，從進口商、大盤商、中盤商、零售商到消費者，請問經濟部要如何掌握這些節點的真實需求？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:33.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:35.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
對於原物料的去向，我們都有了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:35.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:35.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
確定嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:35.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:40.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我們往下看，從進口商到大盤商、中盤商，你怎麼確定它的進跟銷？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:42.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:43.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
你能掌握到進銷項嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:43.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:45.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
如果是聚乙烯的話，是非常清楚…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:45.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:47.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
不是，到塑膠粒往下走…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:47.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:48.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
塑膠粒的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:48.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:50.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
不會囤在聚乙烯而已，它會囤在塑膠粒，塑膠粒會囤在塑膠袋。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.52 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:51.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:55.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
因為塑膠粒的話，國內有供應，而且還有進口，那個就…… |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:55.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-04-09T10:08:56.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
你要如何掌握？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-09T10:08:56.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-09T10:09:00.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
我來告訴你，因為我從財政委員會過來，進銷項哪裡最清楚？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-09T10:09:01.913000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-04-09T10:09:03.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
就是發票，是不是這樣子？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-09T10:09:04.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-04-09T10:09:10.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
所以只要掌握這些發票的金流，我就可以知道它的進銷項，對不對？嗯。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-04-09T10:09:11.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-04-09T10:09:12.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
好，要用什麼工具？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-04-09T10:09:12.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-04-09T10:09:16.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
我已經幫你講了，有什麼工具能幫助政府建立資料庫？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-04-09T10:09:16.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-04-09T10:09:30.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
在金流的部分，從進口商到中盤商都有進銷項的發票，從零售商到消費者可能就沒有，但是物流的部分，除了報關資料之外，你們知道過去稅捐機關怎麼查網購的營業額嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-04-09T10:09:34.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-04-09T10:09:36.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
你知道怎麼查這些網購賣家的營業額嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.412 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-04-09T10:09:36.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-04-09T10:09:37.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
有沒有聽說？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-04-09T10:09:37.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-04-09T10:09:43.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
我跟你們講，這個網購的賣家說上個月只做了100萬，它會去查它的什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-04-09T10:09:43.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-04-09T10:09:54.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
查它到底有多少物流量，如黑貓，查到發現不對啊，它上個月交給黑貓的配送物件就好幾百單，營業額怎麼可能只有100萬，了解嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-04-09T10:09:55.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:03.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
部長，除了金流的進銷項發票之外，還有物流的貨運存取單，你們有沒有把這個東西納入？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:05.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:05.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
你是說要所有的…… |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:06.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:23.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
沒有，是掌握關鍵有進口依賴度的這些物料，在緊急時，我們可能沒有辦法足量供應，所以要給需要的人、要給實際有需求的人，可是怎麼知道他過去每個月用多少，他可以謊報，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:25.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:25.645000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
經濟部、公平會有沒有能力掌握？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:26.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:28.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
如果是生產端，我們是有…… |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:29.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:33.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
現在不是問生產端，部長，現在囤的在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:33.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:34.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
在中間的通路端嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:36.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:37.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
請教一下陳主委，你覺得呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:37.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:38.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
你要怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:38.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:43.461000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
對於這種所謂生產端的一些供需狀況，我們通常都在個案的時候進去調節。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:43.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:48.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
是的，從生產到最後的消費者當中，還有什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:48.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:53.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
還有物流、中間的盤商，你如何掌握盤商的進貨跟出貨？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:53.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:56.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
有沒有囤在他手上？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:56.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:58.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
進得多、出得少就叫囤，有沒有辦法掌握？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-04-09T10:10:59.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-04-09T10:10:59.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
部長，了解了沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-04-09T10:11:00.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-04-09T10:11:01.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
要怎麼去掌握這些？ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-04-09T10:11:03.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-04-09T10:11:05.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
如果有個案的話，我們會去了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-04-09T10:11:05.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-04-09T10:11:11.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
有個案，但是當必要實施限量供應的時候，你怎麼知道他真實的需求？ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-04-09T10:11:13.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-04-09T10:11:35.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
我希望農業部也好、經濟部也好，當然衛福部比較容易掌握，因為醫材的管制比較嚴，所以進口商這部分，多元來源政府會參與，從大盤到中盤有進銷項的發票，零售商到消費者手上可能還有物流的委託單，這些數據有誰打算去掌握？ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-04-09T10:11:36.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-04-09T10:11:49.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
我是針對這些有高度進口依賴的大宗物資所衍生的民生物資，我們去掌握它的實際需求及去向，部長，你同意嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-04-09T10:11:49.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-04-09T10:11:50.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
讓你簡單講，你打算怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-04-09T10:11:51.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-04-09T10:11:54.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
如果這樣的話，可能要有一個很大的數據…… |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-04-09T10:11:56.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-04-09T10:11:57.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
現在就有AI，AI就搞定了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-04-09T10:11:58.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:02.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
召委就說了，他是科技、他是數位，你問召委，他就可以幫你解決。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:02.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:07.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
是，我們嘗試來做，但是這個東西是不是有牽涉到所謂的營業秘密，這我們還要去了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:07.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:10.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
是的，沒有錯，所以你們要去研究，你們有商發署，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:10.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:11.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
對，我們來了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:10.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:11.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
陳部長，農業的部分有沒有辦法做到？ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:15.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:23.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
農業部分，針對主要的這些原物料，我們其實已經掌握進口商跟飼料廠之間這些異動的…… |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:23.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:25.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
往下的通路部分呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:26.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:33.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
基本上，飼料比較不會再有另外通路，通常都是進口以後在飼料廠，飼料廠就到農民端了。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:33.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:35.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
是，因為你們的供應鏈比較短。 |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:35.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:35.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
對，我們供應鏈…… |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:36.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:51.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
經濟部管的各行業供應鏈長，醫材大部分有管制，所以兩個主張請兩位部長跟主委承諾一下，盤點目前高度仰賴進口的民生必需品、大宗物資，並預設供應優先順序清單，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:51.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:52.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
我們來嘗試。 |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:51.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-04-09T10:12:52.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
應該可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-04-09T10:12:52.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:10.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
最後，就全國物流業的進銷貨資料，可以輔以供應鏈各節點的財稅資料，在不影響商業營業秘密的情況之下，試著建立一個進銷貨數據資料庫的可行性，只是可行性而已，不是叫你們馬上做，是可行性，這是必須要做的，但是怎麼樣做才允當？ |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-04-09T10:13:11.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:14.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
哪些物品、哪些品項要做？ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-04-09T10:13:14.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:18.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
怎麼做才不會侵犯到民間人民的營業秘密？ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-04-09T10:13:19.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:25.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
這是不是請兩位部長跟陳代理主委於兩個月內提一個書面報告來評估一下，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-04-09T10:13:25.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:29.255000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
我想可以，在沒有違背相關規定之下，我們一定可以做一些完整的評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-04-09T10:13:29.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:31.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
龔部長，可以嗎？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-04-09T10:13:31.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:32.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
陳主委，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-04-09T10:13:34.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:36.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
針對全面性的我們比較沒有這個空間，我們必須要在個案裡面…… |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-04-09T10:13:38.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:45.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
對，有高度依賴進口的名單，你跟國安單位拿，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
主席（洪委員毓祥） |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-04-09T10:13:45.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:47.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
謝謝鍾佳濱委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
主席（洪委員毓祥） |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-04-09T10:13:47.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-04-09T10:13:50.505429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
接下來請張嘉郡委員。 |
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0 |