| IVOD_ID |
168332 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168332 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T09:27:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T09:35:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc756fbbe4782057453b509ad0e4ca3d8668ce3249aa741ed4166db0adbae60701a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:27:37 - 09:35:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、國土管理署署長、交通部次長就「加速落實人本交通環境-檢討『永續提升人行安全計畫』執行現況、簡化審核行政流程及協助地方政府改善行人安全設施之精進作為」進行專題報告並備質詢。） |
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我請部長跟次長還有署長好,麻煩部長、次長、署長我想先請問一下這個劉部長這個我之前我在質詢的時候我就有請 |
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內政部跟交通部對這個永續提升人行安全計畫這些計畫如果你補助給地方我們都是錢給他而已地方怎麼設計怎麼做什麼的我們好像都不管 |
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然後呢我那時候就有要求說這個我們補助給他他們如何設計如何什麼有沒有照計畫來有沒有任意更改那你們有答應說會有一個審核的機制那我不知道現在做的如何有審核的機制我是不是請署長跟次長回應一下 |
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是我跟委員報告一下原則上兩部應該都是一樣的我們都有出省的制度跟副省的一個制度那在出省的制度裡頭地方政府當然他提出來的時候他要委託相關的一個專業的單位來做而且都會有經過計師他相關的改善的情形都要經過交通計師的一個簽證 |
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所以整體性來看是有一個嚴厲的一個督導的一個程序而且不管是交通部也好我們都有相關的一個指引來供大家來使用我講的不是程序我跟你講齁 |
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我們補助給他了對不對他可能是人行道改善工程結果他自己又多出一點點錢然後就不只變成人行道改善工程他連道路什麼什麼改善然後一起來 |
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那跟原來的計畫不大一樣喔這個我相信我們在審議的時候都會看他因為他提出來的計畫的範圍、範疇來看不是啦,你聽不懂市長,你聽不懂我說的嗎你們就是審書面書面的時候到時候實際上的執行他的計畫有時候會變有時候會變得不一樣 |
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這點你們有百分之百能去防範嗎?有百分之百說你這樣不行嗎?或者是他的計畫會變得更好但我發現我們現在好像沒有這個機制好 署長 |
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跟委員報告我們其實每一個案子齁從報計畫到設計我們其實都審查那施工的過程我們有去督導我們地方分市都有去督導那他變更設計咧他變更設計咧對變更設計我們也是要報到我們這邊齁是啊然後那個我跟委員報告就是說有些地方政府他在做人行道的時候他周邊 |
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或者是要改車溝又搭配其他的案子他們會再去自籌那避免說整個路挖兩次商家會抗議不是不是不是你們跟我講的這都是程序這個是走公務人員行政人員走程序的回答對不對他的變更設計就像你說的他可能要多做一些我剛剛講要多做一些結果咧變位了 |
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他本來申請的是A結果到最後已經變成B了我之前就有要求過我現在只問你們這個機制建立了沒就好了因為這個樣態太多啦那我只問你們有沒有建立這個機制而已我那時候只要求要建立機制而已 |
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變更有沒有這個機制?我們目前在做這些變更的話,我們有這個機制我覺得以你們現在的回答,你們這個機制我認為是沒有建立所以你們才會回答成這樣為什麼我要提這個? |
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因為很多的人行道的改善我們是優先要做人行道的改善工程但變成時間一拖再拖本來 |
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幾個月的工程可能變成一年本來這個變化太大了這個我覺得很多的時效、很多的什麼你們要有這個機制你這個機制我覺得很容易建立,也不用我在這邊跟你們說另外我想請問一下我們新北市到底報了幾件核准的幾件 |
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新北市的這個內政部的部分總共已經核定了32件已經核定了32件,5億5千萬報了幾件? |
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已經提報36件 合併了32件對嘛 36合併32嘛 對不對那已經合併了5億多了嘛 對不對這個裡面也有我爭取的好幾件啊 對不對那交通部勒 |
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總共新北市報了三案,那我們合了兩案總共三案的錢是八千一百三十五萬所以你合訂的比例因為我都有在追我認為你們的合訂比例也不算低那你有的是還沒合訂吧所以你們剛剛的回答是不漂亮的你們剛剛交通部你們的回答是不漂亮的 |
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對啊,來到這邊你回答立委,你這樣子回答會造成全國的誤解還好我都有在追蹤這個整個永續提升人權安全計畫的這個,我都還有在追蹤我就覺得不對啊,你們回答的是不大對的啊,對不對所以你們要回答要精確一點啦,好不好 |
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所以我拜託一下署長署長我剛剛說的那些我們不是要找地方政府麻煩我們只是要求他要做得快速一點然後照計畫來不要一個案子下去然後拖了很久你結果造成民怨然後地方政府就說沒有啊這是中央的啊中央的事啊他不知道是地方政府發包的 |
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那結果你們都背黑鍋而且我也覺得這樣不對你一個工程就要盡速做嘛你要嘛要求地方政府你要變更計畫你要做什麼我們不反對 |
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但你實效性 工程的實效性 你要把它整合起來嘛 一起做嘛而不是他們就 有的是這個發包 那個發包 結果這樣一段一段做那結果造成了交通擁擠 造成了很多的問題那他們一推 這是中央的計畫 |
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這個我認為不對啦,對全國人民,對每天在那邊出路的人,在那邊走的人,我認為都是不對的我們會要求設計階段就全部把它整合好好,謝謝 |