| IVOD_ID |
168328 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168328 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T09:55:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T10:02:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc79da3940ad4ce4522fa1e45401cc1f5858ce3249aa741ed4141711be454d84e9e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃仁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:55:43 - 10:02:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員嚴德發報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝主席有請我們主委還有北農院長我們請主委跟院長主委好 |
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針對北農,院長衛福部日前公布1.14年度婦女友善職場典範的認證計畫典範醫院名單,本席非常意外的是,一直被認為 |
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負病比名列前茅的一個台北榮總竟然沒有醫學中心等級的前六名那請問院長原因為何那後來我查了一下查了一下那近五年的全國醫療機構全日平均負病比是1.11左右就是一個一個婦理 |
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副理事差不多照顧到11個那我們北農平均來講都是1.8那如果以整個平均約1.72所以院長你來說明一下好不好 |
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非常感謝黃委員提出這麼重要一個議題讓我有機會來表達其實台北榮總過去最引以為傲的是我們的工職比例是全國最高佔了將近七成那成大只有三成多那其他醫院 部立醫院兩成多可是現在因為法規的修訂要保護員工的安全危勞降臨現在55歲護理師就可以提早退休領退休金 |
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對榮總造成一些很大的影響因為這群很有經驗在榮總貢獻這麼久的護理師他會選擇在去年年底之前就退休他領退休金到私人醫療機構去服務甚至到長照這個為國家高興他們可以幫 |
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我們的私人體系也是在照顧我們台灣但是我心裡面是非常的痛因為我怎麼去努力營造好的環境怎麼去補人都來不及這些公職護理師的優勢加上現在政府的規定 |
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公家機關的護理師如果不是主管60歲一定要退私人醫院沒有這個規定他們更到65有些人60歲以後他體力非常好眼睛都很好打針也很準 |
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可是他不得已他就要退所以如果是這個法令可以修改對台北榮總會有非常大的幫忙那所以北榮為了要穩定其實我們去年的離職率是這幾年最低我們留任率這幾年最高也收了283位新的護理師可是呢公職護理師的提前退休把所有的努力都打折了所以沒辦法拿到這個獎但是我可以委員報告台北榮總護理師 |
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效容的濃度應該全國數一數二的他們是高興的應該不是全國第一就是第二啦這個我是本席肯定但是現在你提出的問題是不是有他的檢討的空間提出 |
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來讓我們整個院會的立法委員是不是看看是不是有其他的一些補救的方案因為現在如果以法令的政策來講的話是對未來北農不管是全國的農種都會有相當的影響報告委員55歲威老將領其實我看起來是短空長多 |
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短期會流失很多人不過呢這個是護理師他從事公子他的福利我們不能擋他以後可以領退休金又可以領被全新四人運的全新這個不能擋但是如果在60歲的退休有些人就想要留在公子希望能做到65歲這塊立法院如果可以幫我們解套 |
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我們不如小補可以留下一些願意留在公家醫院的服務的人到65歲再退不像私人醫院他們可以留那麼久這個是這一點讓他們用自願制也不要影響護理師的權益可是兼顧可以照顧我們國家公立醫院的醫療那現在的我們真的很努力去拼這個事情所以還好榮總有新的優質的護理師宿舍否則現在整個崩盤當國家疫情在一起 |
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我們公立醫院會造成很大的影響走第一線的都是公家機關的醫院所以我希望政府多給我們支持讓我們護理師更幸福讓我們人可以留的更多否則現在釋放這麼多利多已經把所有的能放的都放出來了可是四人醫院每天的廣告臨終獎金六個月十個月我就欲哭無淚 |
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公家機關最多1天5個月那競爭力在哪裡所以這個法規沒有修訂之前所以我們永總的美食街停車場業外收入不能拿來發獎金如果這個業外收入我可以來發獎金我把同仁照顧得更好吃一碗麵就是來照顧醫護同仁以上向委員報告很好 |
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你提出這個議題來講也讓我們很多的委員都了解看看是不是我們來共同一起研究如何讓這一些醫護人員從他的自發性 |
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包含他的自願意以及他屆臨到退休的時候能不能留下來那當然我們以他的一個尊重他的自發性願意來留下來來繼續為這些醫護我們的這個龍總醫院的病人來做一個照顧這是很好的一個政策那我想 |
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這個我們會你們也提出一些方案給我們做一個參考好不好以上謝謝 |
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謝謝主席，有請主委還有北榮院長。 |
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好，我們請主委跟院長。 |
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黃委員好。 |
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主委好。 |
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我針對北榮，院長，衛福部日前公布114年度「護理友善職場典範認證計畫」典範醫院名單，本席非常意外的是，一直被認為護病比名列前茅的臺北榮總，竟然沒有在醫學中心等級的前六名。 |
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請問院長，原因為何？ |
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後來我查了一下，近五年全國醫療機構全日平均護病比是1：11左右，就是1個護理師差不多要照顧11個病患，我們北榮平均來講都維持在1：8以下，整個平均約1：7.2，所以院長，你來說明一下好不好？ |
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非常感謝黃委員提出這麼重要的一個議題，讓我有機會來表達。 |
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其實臺北榮總過去最引以為傲的是我們的公職比率是全國最高，占了將近七成，成大只有三成多，其他部立醫院兩成多，可是現在因為法規的修訂，要保護員工的安全，危勞降齡，現在55歲的護理師就可以提早退休領退休金，對榮總造成很大的影響。 |
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因為這群有經驗、在榮總貢獻這麼久的護理師，他們後來選擇在去年年底之前就退休領退休金，再到私人醫療機構去服務，甚至到長照機構，這個我們為國家高興，他們可以幫我們的私人體系，也是在造福我們臺灣，但是我心裡面是非常的痛，因為我怎麼去努力營造好的環境，怎麼去補人都來不及這些公職護理師的流失。 |
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加上現在政府的規定，公家機關的護理師，如果不是主管，60歲一定要退，私人醫院沒有這個規定，他們可以做到65歲。 |
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有些人60歲以後，他體力非常好，眼睛都很好，打針也很準，可是他不得已就要退，所以如果這個法令可以修改，對臺北榮總會有非常大的幫忙。 |
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北榮為了要穩定，其實我們去年的離職率是這幾年最低，我們的留任率這幾年是最高，也收了283位新的護理師，可是公職護理師的提前退休，把所有的努力都打折了，所以沒辦法拿到這個獎。 |
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但是我跟委員報告，臺北榮總護理師笑容的濃度應該是全國數一數二的，他們是高興的。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
黃委員仁 |
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2026-04-09T09:58:59.351000+08:00 |
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2026-04-09T09:59:19.320000+08:00 |
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我想應該不是全國第一就是第二，這個本席是肯定的，但是現在你提出的問題，是不是有其檢討空間，提出來讓我們立法委員看看是不是有其他的補救方案。 |
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0.922 |
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黃委員仁 |
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2026-04-09T09:59:20.100000+08:00 |
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2026-04-09T09:59:30.403000+08:00 |
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因為如果是以現在的法令政策來講的話，未來對於北榮或是全國的榮總，都會有相當的影響。 |
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0.711 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳院長威明 |
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2026-04-09T09:59:30.403000+08:00 |
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2026-04-09T10:00:16.677000+08:00 |
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報告委員，55歲危勞降齡，其實我看起來是短空長多，短期會流失很多人，不過這是護理師從事公職的福利，我們不能擋他以後可以領退休金，又可以領一份私人醫院的全薪，這個不能擋；但如果是60歲退休的，有些人就是想要留在公職，希望能做到65歲，這一塊，立法院如果可以幫我們解套，對我們不無小補，可以留下一些願意留在公家醫院服務的人，到65歲再退，不像私人醫院他們可以留那麼久，這一點，讓他們用自願制，也不要影響護理師的權益，可是兼顧可以照顧我們國家公立醫院的醫療。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
陳院長威明 |
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2026-04-09T10:00:17.077000+08:00 |
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2026-04-09T10:00:26.044000+08:00 |
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現在我們真的很努力去拚這個事情，還好榮總有新的優質的護理師宿舍，否則現在整個崩盤。 |
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0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳院長威明 |
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2026-04-09T10:00:26.044000+08:00 |
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2026-04-09T10:00:58.089000+08:00 |
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當國家疫情再起，我們公立醫院會受到很大的影響，走第一線的都是公家機關的醫院，所以我希望政府多給我們支持，讓我們的護理師更幸福，讓我們的人可以留得更多；否則現在我釋放這麼多利多，已經把所有能放的都放出來了，可是私人醫院每天的廣告是年終獎金6個月、10個月，我就欲哭無淚，公家機關最多1.5個月，競爭力在哪裡？ |
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0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳院長威明 |
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2026-04-09T10:00:58.830000+08:00 |
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2026-04-09T10:01:10.480000+08:00 |
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而且這個法規沒有修訂之前，我們榮總美食街、停車場的業外收入不能拿來發獎金，如果這個業外收入可以拿來發獎金，我把同仁照顧得更好，吃一碗麵，就是在照顧醫護同仁。 |
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0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳院長威明 |
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2026-04-09T10:01:12.201000+08:00 |
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2026-04-09T10:01:13.542000+08:00 |
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以上向委員報告。很好！ |
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1 |
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黃委員仁 |
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2026-04-09T10:01:14.533000+08:00 |
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2026-04-09T10:02:00.986000+08:00 |
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你提出這個議題，也讓我們很多委員都了解，我們是不是來共同研究，如何讓這些醫護人員自發性地，包含他自己願意以及他屆齡退休後能留下來，當然我們尊重他的自發性，願意留下來繼續為我們榮總醫院的病人照護，這是一個很好的政策，我想你們也提出一些方案給我們做參考，好不好？謝謝。 |
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0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
黃委員仁 |
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2026-04-09T10:02:01.547000+08:00 |
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2026-04-09T10:02:01.647000+08:00 |
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好，以上，謝謝。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
嚴主任委員德發 |
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2026-04-09T10:02:02.147000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-09T10:02:03.861286+08:00 |
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謝謝委員指導。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-09T10:02:04.161286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-09T10:02:05.875571+08:00 |
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謝謝黃仁委員。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-09T10:02:06.175571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-09T10:02:09.889857+08:00 |
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接下來請王定宇委員上臺質詢。 |
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0 |