| IVOD_ID |
168327 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168327 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T09:50:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T10:01:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc7355326f9e601e54dff16f9abdda18f348ce3249aa741ed41da828a474ca019315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:50:44 - 10:01:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、公平交易委員會代理主任委員、衛生福利部首長、法務部首長及行政院消費者保護處首長就「中東衝突加劇市場不確定性，致國內包括乙烯、塑膠、化肥、瀝青等石化原物料及物流成本增加，屢傳缺料、囤貨現象等之問題評估、因應策略與現況」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席我們有請經濟部消保處經濟部長公平會法務部公平會法務部趙偉豪我想這個中東戰火那我們大概在初期現在我們大概都在捕破網那政府失能之後我們就匆匆忙忙連滾帶爬 |
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那這個就是過去我們一堆不管是各地方黨部朝野政黨立委都會收到這一堆東西塑膠袋之亂農業包材的缺貨對不對釐清也是缺貨醫材也是缺所以這看了很多所以會從一個點就跑到很多的點 |
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那缺貨完大概就是漲價那當然我們去查的理由當然就是原物料短缺嘛我們的石化這些原物料供應鏈就生不出來斷層然後你就囤貨然後再來就是轉嫁就是高價就漲了所以這個東西來講的話呢就變成是說我們現在看到的這個狀況 |
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那稍微都統計了 這我想各位經濟部、農業部、公民會、消保你們這些大概都清楚 比稀塑膠原料漲價20%那農業部的報告也寫 尿素上漲54.3因為跟我們的肥料有關係 醫安也是那醫療器材就是我們的塑膠、食品、藥品的包材這些都是大幅上升 |
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那政府行政院當然就會講說我專案會議一堆那現在我的問題就是說我們都政府都強調說我有專案會議啊我也有開會嘛我也找了經濟部農業部我也啟動了這個消保公平對不對這一堆來調查 |
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所以我們就會常聽到說有我有開會我有專案我有機場我有平台可是我覺得這個跟我們民眾距離很遙遠民眾他只關心說東西有沒有買得到然後價格有沒有穩住其實我現在更想問的是這種東西我們是第一次發生嘛就下次再來一次不管是什麼因素 |
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這個就是有點諷刺我們一直講說要任性可是這個任性好像都是一個東西打下來之後就不見了所以我現在想要問的就是說經濟部這邊跟我們這些消保處還有公平會 |
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我去稍微調查尤其像消保處說3月3號到4月7號開了5次會議配合稽查29次配合其他機關28次每週查訪17項聽起來好像很多我想請問一下消保處就是說你們的這個預警的指標到底會是什麼 |
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然後呢就是你的價格漲幅啊超過多少才要限制然後你要啟動就是什麼時候低於多久你要啟動一些的什麼一級應變等等有沒有這樣的準則在消保 |
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我們因為是這個聯機小組那在聯機小組裡面的這個有分一級二級三級那原則上我們現在每期就是我們現在每週因為本來我們定期查17項的民生物資17項有包含剛剛我們講的這些嗎是沒有塑膠袋17項重要民生物資沒有塑膠袋所以塑膠袋不算民生物資目前不在這個17項 也沒有人跟你說這個很重要要去查還是說這個 |
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我們會觀測因為我們聯機小組也會開會就是發現輿情上面有什麼樣的反應這個就是我說的就是就會開會然後開會就告訴你說我有去查查就這樣子可是跟我剛剛講的那個民眾的距離很遙遠 |
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我們兩個最遙遠的距離就是我都覺得有在漲你都說有在查所以我們就會跟聯基小組一起去查所以的確我們這次也進行了這些稽查的工作公平會剛剛也是被問很多啦我當然我也了解你的苦衷有聯合漲價什麼等等但不管啦我上次已經跟公平會說過你那個動作樣式還是要擺出來嘛 |
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我們已經有立案調查了針對塑膠袋這個部分那釐清的部分我們也去了解跟工會進行初步了解我們專關確定是因為釐清昨天也是很多委員在問因為你光我們台電中油 |
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從公民會的執掌裡面我們會關切末端的那個交易狀況那就是供貨供貨的確現在出現了不確定性然後價格上漲所以在利清的業者部分他們只能目前大概是鼓勵這個會員或是相關的同業或是買方去規劃一下那個工程的進度那個經濟部應該說利清是夠的 |
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現在到存貨啦現在可以供應到五月底六月份這個台塑它已經在因為它到五月底是OK的嘛所以它六月份的部分它已經在國際間想辦法要進口了 |
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好啦就是我相信各位都很努力啦那再順便請教經濟度問題就是說我們現在的話呢你也去拜託中油對不對世青要提前開路也協調台塑化台聚維持一些供應好那看起來塑膠袋你認為這個供應量應該是足夠 |
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可是我的看法是說如果我們上游是有料的真的穩住了中游也都能中間的中中游也真的夠然後生產的出來下游如果也真的通我就搞不懂就是說我們為什麼還要緊急打電話專線臨時煤核點撞 |
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來補這個破洞報告委員因為我們這個平價專案是從這個禮拜才開始啟動那中油的料已經給這個台塑了那台塑應該他做了以後明天就可以開始出貨所以這筆貨是平價的我們會慢慢到生產端然後鋪貨出去但是呢 |
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因為這些中東事情開始發生以後呢在最末端大家會有一些預期心理是不是可能會有比較緊俏的狀況所以這種狀況就需要我們趕快去關懷調度我比較喜歡從數位科技的角度來看我剛點了這幾個問題就是說在行政院物價肯定小組裡面這些都是參與的單位嘛 |
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所以我是覺得那整個上中下有整個戰情室整個這些資訊的通透到了我末端的供應上中下有這些的資料information我覺得行政院不管是哪一個部會要去負責你們就要 不然就是經濟部嘛我們產發署去負責把這個系統對不對 |
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知道我在講什麼 邱署長應該知道我在講什麼我覺得這個很重要 因為我們已經喊了那麼多年嘛 是吧所以我覺得這件事情是不是從現在開始做了然後以後就是比較不會說我上游好像也有 中游也都夠了 然後剛剛委員一堆啊我的攤販 小吃 夜市 商場 那就是沒有了 |
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對不對那你要跨到部會去農業部會是還有啦我說整個部會嘛行政院是一個整體嘛那你農業部衛財衛福部的醫財這些等等也都是好那我想這個經濟部就請回了各位這些請回休息一下我想請這個農業部跟這個衛福部就是 |
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在我們現在這個資料裡面在農業部我是覺得這一次有去做一些預警對不對然後有去做一些的這樣子的補貼那我覺得衛福部這邊建立了醫材放醫通報但是我們也動資了健保安全基我是覺得說這種補貼到什麼時候會結束因為價格還是要穩下來嘛 |
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我們很多醫材的一線的同仁也去反映就是我叫不到貨然後一堆我的看病好像也要漲等等這一個200億的健保安全準備金各位請衛福部說明一下 |
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謝謝委員我先補充喔在我們在3月23的時候衛福部這邊就發現到我們在相關的藥品醫材還有包材的部分可能會受到衝擊所以其實3月23衛福部就先發文給經濟部請產發署協助我們能夠穩定我們在相關的醫療用品醫療衛材前端的原料供應這個部分先跟委員做報告那委員這邊提到的200億的安全準備金是準備其實是去年在我們的相關任性的議題裡面 |
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準備說如果因為關稅或者是在這一次的因為戰爭等等的原因造成我們健保一些藥品或者是醫材必須要調整藥價的時候他可能會有必須要有一個準備不然的話超過我們的總額那這一塊當然我們現在已經啟動就是說假如這個藥品或者是醫材他有明確的這個成本上升那廠商這邊的他的價格必須要去調整我們的健保給付價的時候 |
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我想有一些的就是說這些安全準備金的使用的方式因為當時是關稅嘛還沒有戰爭的爆發所以我想說這些的用途上面因為有些醫界的人是在所以這個部分也在跟我們補充就是說這個價格但是在這個部分也不能隨便就是去價格高薪多少就多少所以在健保這邊要重新去調整如果必須重新調整幾付價格的話就是我認為要照顧到病人對不對我們醫護人員 |
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我們現在其實也謝謝產發署的協助我們現在我們都在媒合我們相關的醫材這邊那其實有些醫材它的這個原物料它的供應它的庫存因為有時間不夠沒關係你再提書面的報告給我們我用書面的什麼我們這個書面的這個健保的這個安全的準備金我們會那我們提供我們的做法制度這些 |
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640.166 |
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663.924 |
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第一個農業波子剩一個問題就是說剛剛我們講那個肥料實名登記那我也請不用回答我就回去調查一下再給我書面就好就有些農民的使用他覺得有點蘿莉巴縮那看看是不是說強制使用跟回饋使用這裡頭有沒有什麼樣子的要改善之處好不好再書面報告給我這樣子 謝謝 |