| IVOD_ID |
168307 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168307 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T11:05:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T11:19:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb0b190e478dc6e3d15a7afadf2dd1952ecb9fb3178c14150d920b7ea364581afcb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:34 - 11:19:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議(事由:邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「台美關稅協定(ART)中關於『擴大採購及購買』(原油、天然氣、發電設備等)項目之評估、規劃及涉及之問題與工作,並就台灣中油股份有限公司之增資案」進行報告,並備質詢。) |
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呃 主席喔首先有請我們行政院經貿談判辦公室我們的習資深代表執行他怎樣我們時間暫停好了 好不好趕快把人叫回來沒有關係 我等他慢慢來 |
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慢慢來 慢慢來 |
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好有請這一個許代表許主席好剛剛我聽了李毅霖委員執行關於CPTPP後面請保持安靜那我今天這個問題我特別提出來因為我也是深受其愛的一個那那個原副總譚代表的離世裡面他有寫了一篇文章我深有同感 |
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因為像這樣的人才想要好好做一件事情受到無情的打壓不要說沒有他是從美國信念回來的人對於彈砲的工作是非常的執著 |
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那CPTPP講到現在我只有說我們這次呼嚴了事應付就是你打著這個招牌你不去營業我從108年的時候就開始跟國安會、經濟部所有談判代表我都一直講當初我已經得到了一個消息 |
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就是日本當那時候領主國家他們在邀請中國大陸去參加CPTPP |
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沒有邀請台灣我一直把這個消息給大家你們都說不會啦怎麼樣啊那為了CPTPP我們自己台灣把開發中的國家變成已開發過的國家我們幾乎都放開一切為了準備加入CPTPP |
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結果到現在沒有一個任何的成果那我今天為什麼會談到這些CPTPP它的貿易總量佔了整個經濟貿易總量20到34千我現在太久沒有查這個所以CPTPP是當初我們從107點就開始一直談這個問題但到現在都沒有反應 |
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他寫出的那一句很無奈正如師父演的一個態度所以你們現在講的話我都不信那我講什麼我受害者我是搜刮案被判刑的人我當時就是因為那個人新加坡的一個談判代表跟我講他是新加坡國際貿易談判跟我講當時的情形是這樣我為了感謝他這一句話我打了一通電話 |
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所以我感觸很深 |
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別再說結尾了我相信我們鞏部長在當國發會的時期也都很清楚這一段歷史所以你們現在騙會的CPTPP你們以ART台美關稅協定單位指定全部EO風的就過去你簡單的回答一下老實的回答一下這些委員裡面大概當初我們都有參與CPTPP是我們最重要要突破的 |
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多角貿易關邊協定最主要的一個台灣把自己是開發中的國家調升為已開發國家 |
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像委員報告齁首先那個委員剛剛催詢有關於那個顏副總他在辭職信裡面所說的事情那行政院這邊已經有外聘委員在組成調查小組在調查上說那個調查小組我不管啦那是你呢我說你們的態度專業我們現在是中心決定不要把它偏離主題好不好 |
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有關於CPTPP的相關單位一直都是權力的在催促你們都忘了川普一上來官報協定你們把他忘了我們針對一個我們要去突破一個嘛我們這樣才安全嘛才是多邊的好不好那個牆壁真的是你們的錯誤 |
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從美國關稅以來CPT幾乎被你們忘記掉了好不好請那個我們沒有忘記請回答你們忘記啦不要講沒有忘記關話我們聽多了啦請回答好不好我不聽這種話因為從一個資深的總談判代表寫出來代表他心中的無奈跟憤怒 |
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更對政府的不滿記住這句話就好然後我請我們港部長還有中油的黃董事長 |
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陳偉豪部長好黃董事長好今天你有沒有笑容沒有笑容你要增資要成功啦要增資三千五百億啊我每次每一個部長講我說這些部長只疼台電不疼中油你一個人不被重視的一個孩子 |
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現在政府終於提出了3500億那時管部長你記得我一直說終於一定要增資了你要穩定文維生的物價 |
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你曉得嗎?是賠中油的錢來支持台電,台電有深知了,中油一直虧下來,我說負擔不了當然世界都變化,COVID-19,烏魚的戰爭,還有現在中共的戰爭,你看起來怎麼樣?這個油價還會不會繼續的上漲? |
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巴委員今天就是因為美伊雙方有一個暫時性的這個停火嘛兩個禮拜那個油價馬上從一百多塊跌到了九十幾塊那所以還是要看他那個戰事的變化我現在是要跟你請教一個問題如果依照 |
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免疫的戰爭他把周邊的石油的提煉設備你油氣的什麼設備都打垮掉了你要再重整的話大概你要抓了多少時間那時的功用量就減少了要威與仇妙還有台電的董事長在哪裡董事長好久不見了 |
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你現在講你們我記得你們要買美國的那個244億對不對採購嘛採購美國的發電設備嘛252億我看到只有又增加了啦你們隨時都在不是只有台電我告訴你一個事情你要特別注意你們現在就要動了 |
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要買要趕快買不然你買不到因為這幾個油廠這幾個發電廠都全部被打掉了你到時候要買不到機器喔我先跟你講 |
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報告委員謝謝你提醒我們其實台電很積極在爭取這一些天氣機組沒有啦 你就要先去走啦我現在跟你講不然你到時候我跟你確定戰事一停止你那些設備一定買不到啦不用說我多好聽不然你又高價啦給美國人賺你被人家賺得很爽啊我是被美國賺得很不爽啊我是很確實跟你講美國再貴你們都買 |
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但是我們就要算經濟成本啊我跟妳說妳要省費喔 沒到時候買不起來喔真的賺不到貨 先跟妳講 準備一下 準備一下除了妳高價買 人家買100億 台灣就變成買200億啊我們錢多啦 不怕啦這個 不會是這個樣子啦 教委員報告這你敢不敢好 再來我看你們的報告我會很奇怪我們也不會這樣做 |
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你當然講不會這麼做啊行事比人強啊乖乖你就要自己賣啦你也沒有什麼辦法啦不用說多厲害啦我是提醒你提早動作提早準備那幾個被炸爛的地區發電廠什麼都沒有了大家都在搶這個生意好不好注意一下我先提醒啊如果發生的時候我到時候會好好的指責你你應該要想準備啦 |
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我再來,黃董事長、部長,你講LNG的時候,跟美國講,美國購買,你們這邊大概444億,原油跟天然氣, |
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你說講美國供應比較穩定相對的跟中東澳洲的價格供應穩定價格也比較穩定這樣我很老實你也老實來回答我美國的LNG的話真的會比中東還便宜比美國還便宜嗎 |
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美国的天然气它是属于那个页岩气 |
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不是啦 你講他的品質 我現在問你價格穩定是怎樣叫做價格穩定過了20%跟人家買 我當然是價格 叫穩定嘛你價格高跟人家買 他有錢賺 他就以你第一優先嘛我現在是問你 你要跟美國買的LNG跟中東買跟澳洲買 那個價格有沒有差別啦 |
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差別有多大啦這個價格都是市場競爭性的價格美國人要送到亞洲來的話也要跟其他的來源去做競爭嘛所以他價格應該是有競爭性我真的講啊我相信他不會比中東便宜 |
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它一定貴了很多因為拆開的成本也比較高你都這樣給我貨了就貴了我替你爭執好幾次你最好不要騙我啦價格高啦你沒搞啦現在政府是價格高我賣掉了這樣就好了供應無缺如果長期供應要好好的打算一下好 謝謝還有持有競爭的價格你又講到具有競爭性 |
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品質穩定,我感覺美國來的酒油,我不知道它的競爭性到哪裡,品質穩定我不敢講,但是以價格的話,美國所有東西不貴你二三十倍,人工成本貴,通貨膨脹什麼都貴,它哪裡會賣你便宜,我們是賠錢, |
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我們可以買一把比較便宜的,但是我們M大頭當了太多太久了,習以為常,好啦,給你美國賣啦,是讓我們自己的國家財力比較污劣,好好考慮,部長,我跟你講的,這不是做生意,這就是你們的政策,什麼都跟美國買都好。 |
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762.435 |
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781.009 |
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但是我們還是想到台灣自己未來的競爭力我們什麼都要搶我只講了一點你不要看電子業看這種傳統因為是QQ鉗鉗的啊你是大手筆的花錢因為產品現在是賺得很難看除了AI這方面剛好起來不然傳統產業電子業都賺錢賺得很累啊我希望你們要能體諒這個啊 |
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790.219 |
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815.377 |
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好不好守著臺灣的財庫讓臺灣的財務耕農後不然你盡量要把中小企業產種產業啊去把他照顧完那個是根根本的沒有那些我們的產業會空中化我講了很久謝謝是中小企業是我們最關心的好不好至於這幾個問題啊世界經濟的變化現在很快啦謝謝好謝謝蔡總理委員謝謝 |