| IVOD_ID |
168292 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168292 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T11:08:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T11:17:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:12 - 11:17:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長林宜敬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【4月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 請蘇巴布林部長我們請蘇巴布林部長 |
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各位很早安部長早部長台灣很早就在發展AI了嘛那從當時說要推動AI行動計畫然後建研究中心還有超級電腦平台打造AI國家隊AI產業鏈還有發展機器人量子AI基礎建設等那在這一次的業務報告您有提到加速產業數位創新中強調要擴充AI算力資源 |
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那在上一次委員會的時候我也請教郭部長那目前那這次報告也有提到嘛要從40片GPU提升到140片沒有錯吧沒錯今年可以做到嗎如果說預算省的話我們當然如果說預算省的話那上一次本席請教您您說預算被砍了嗎那是去年的預算去年這方面的預算被砍掉但是今年的預算我們今年還是必須有預算才能買啊是那 |
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部長是請看那上一次我問你的時候你說因為我們預算被砍掉了砍了什麼預算就是去年我們本來我們去年就打算要買一百片但是去年預算被砍了所以去年我們有買一百片嘛那四十片是前年買的所以有前年是四十片去年我們打算買一百片但是去年買了一百片的預算被砍了所以我希望委員能支持讓我們今年可以買這一百片這畫面因為這是上有上字幕的關係啊是金週刊說 |
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砍了什麼都不知道我回去看我看了114年1月2號蘇巴布預算審查會議紀錄我完全沒有針對GPU的採購還有建制提出刪減案是因為我們那個素產署的其實去年的預算原來是提了40億然後被砍掉20億這個大約的數字然後因為這個砍掉以後所以造成說我們必須總是必須有取捨嘛然後就是 |
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那部長你現在指出114年1月2號的預算審查中是哪一個提案編號砍了你的GPU的預算?這個是不是能請我們素產署來說明因為那個素產署的預算是由素產署來編的跟委員簡單報告一下委員會砍了3.2億然後在黨團協商的時候砍了21億今年會提升到100片嗎?預算是多少?預算應該兩三億 |
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兩億多部長你講到預算通案三檢是整體預算不是指定AI項目的預算再來如果通案預算影響到GPU的話那你們內部的資源配置有問題嗎 |
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總是那個預算被砍掉然後總是當然就是說我們預算都得重新分配二十那個四十億被砍掉一半考量二十億這個當然是很大金額的那個那個三減這個抱歉那個委員我並沒有說要要那個怎麼樣說我就是只是陳述一個事實並沒有什麼惡意或者什麼那算力是基礎那你預算被砍了 |
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我們預算被砍以後所以我們現在的方法就是想辦法利用民間的資金那你上一次的說法是不是在誤導社會認知那你上一次的說法是不是在誤導社會認知我問你今年可不可以從40片提升到140片這攸關我們國家的競爭力只要是關於國家的競爭力我一併全力支持你告訴我因為預算被砍了 |
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那你這個說法是不是在誤導社會我哪一個地方誤導社會因為預算被砍了所以沒有辦法提升到140片這是你上一次的說法這個我今天還是這樣講因為我們40億的預算被砍掉20億剩下20億那我就只能維持一些最基本的一些計畫在進行維持基本的計畫那你在這一次的報告23頁你有說要輔導業者建置目前40片 |
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請部長說明如何輔導業者我們現在就是想辦法就利用那個把那個這個算是這個可以稱得上算力池嗎稱得上算力池嗎算力池就是一個破當然可以算是算力池啊因為這個所有的那個我們來看我們來看我們來看算力池算力池還是測試環境國家的那個算力池都是算力池 |
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一個中型的企業他如果要AI訓練至少需要數百克到數千克現在40片你告訴我如何訓練我現在請部長說明嘛你說你支持協助242加186個業者 |
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你要怎麼來協助這個就是所謂的POC就是讓他們去做實驗就是說民間的這些AI新創者他如果有什麼想法他可以來申請我們這個算力他只是做實驗來驗證他的想法並不是長期要讓他做經營的本來這個就是 |
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長期的經營這些應該是要回到市場機制他必須去跟民間的算力中心購買算力那我們現在在做的就是鼓勵民間去設立算力中心那現在包含鴻海等這個大型企業他們都已經提出這個算力的那個算力中心的計畫 |
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我很注意我的說法那現在他們這個計畫預計大概都是以萬片來計算的算力中心這個比政府的這個算力池要大很多而且這個是可以做商業營運而且他們可以賺錢的我們一直在講就是說我們要建立的是AI的生態系建立這個AI生態系我們希望說一百四十年後可以建立AI的生態系嗎 |
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不行單單是一百片絕對不夠這個當然是不可能的事情啊所以我一直在強調這個只是國防參賽不用你那我上一次我就叫部長是不是現在一百四十片在國際間具備競爭力你跟我說預算被砍了 |
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那這兩者有什麼關係我只是在講說去年我們為什麼沒有買那100片因為去年本來我們列了預算要買那100片後來因為預算被砍掉以後我們就沒有錢去買那100片所以我才跟你說部長你要注意你的說法這兩者完全沒有關係 |
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那沒關係我們接著看今天業務報告說部長你說提升全社會資安動能在第48頁提到資安業已經辦理大規模的產品漏洞獵捕活動那諷刺的是在4月1號駭客利用台哥大的語音信箱預設密碼來攔截LINE的驗證 |
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今天很多委員都有執行這個問題這已經存在了20年這個問題那速發布在這件事爆發之後才被多人應對你們才去督導業者才來進行盤點我們事實上在那個新聞還沒爆出來之前我們就已經處理了這件事情我們處理得非常快那部長請問邰哥大家算不算國內指標性通訊的設備廠商 |
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台哥當然他不是設備廠商他是電信廠商在這件事情上好那沒關係那我們來看到這個報告在報告你們有說114年度已經辦理五國首次大規模產品漏洞獵捕活動聯合國內指標性資通訊的設備廠商還有本土資安研究社群 |
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針對網通設備還有跟委員說明一下所謂那個資安獵捕計畫我們是請一些設備廠商譬如說生產Router的廠商他提供他的設備那你們是不是主管機關作為資安法你們是不是主管機關這個我可以跟委員說明因為這個是非常技術性的但是這個跟台科大沒有關係那你們是不是資安法的主管機關是 是資安法主管機關當然是那接下來那現在目前還在調查中嗎會不會開法你說那個 |
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那個LINE跟那個台哥大那件事情嗎你講的是哪一件事情我就是在講LINE跟台哥大這件事情LINE跟台哥大這個事情是兩個資安漏洞兩個那個不是很嚴重的資安漏洞但是當這兩個資安漏洞結合在一起以後變成一個大的資安漏洞很多資安方面的事情都是這樣子的就是他利用這個駭客用幾個小的那個資安漏洞有現在請教部長嗎那之後會不會開罰這個是一個概念你就針對我的問題直接回答就好之後會不會開罰 |
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我現在沒有辦法那個現在並沒有什麼那明確的就是說他哪個地方用哪一條法律我要怎麼開罰根據資通安全管理法第30條第一款衛生師資通安全維護計畫10萬以上500萬以下或第29條重大資安事件未通報房屋最高可罰處1000萬他有通報這個 |
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那你們業務報告中還有提到要推動治安法規的條式修正了嗎 |
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跟委員報告我們在安法裡面相關的執法的否歸條是我們都已經辦理完成了那接下來能不能在一個月內修正規範要求電信服務然後設計身份驗證呢嚴禁使用預設密碼 |
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部長 最後還是說要注意你的說法 |
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是就針對問題回答不要混為一談我沒有混為一談抱歉就是說委員我就是針對事實回答我向來都是這樣子你知道我並沒有說有什麼其他的指涉至於說媒體報導什麼那個不是我講的事情是我非常注意我的說法謝謝 |
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邱委員若華 |
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謝謝主席，請數發部林部長。 |
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主席 |
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請數發部林部長。 |
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林部長宜敬 |
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邱委員早安。 |
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邱委員若華 |
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部長早。 |
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部長，臺灣很早就在發展AI了，從當時說要推動AI行動計畫，然後建研究中心還有超級電腦平台，打造AI國家隊、AI產業鏈，還有發展機器人、量子AI基礎建設等，在這一次的業務報告中，您在加速產業數位創新中強調要擴充AI算力資源，上一次在委員會的時候，我也請教過部長，這次報告也有提到要從40片GPU提升到140片，沒有錯吧？沒錯。 |
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今年可以做到嗎？ |
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林部長宜敬 |
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如果說預算審的話，我們當然…… |
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邱委員若華 |
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如果說預算審的話…… |
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林部長宜敬 |
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當然就可以做到。 |
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上一次本席請教您，您說預算被砍了嘛。 |
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林部長宜敬 |
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那是去年的預算，去年這方面的預算被砍掉，但是今年的預算，我們今年還是必須有預算才能買。 |
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邱委員若華 |
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部長，請看！ |
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上一次我問你的時候，你說因為你們預算被砍掉了，請問砍了什麼預算？ |
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林部長宜敬 |
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就是去年，我們本來去年就打算要買100片，但是去年預算被砍了，所以去年我們沒有買100片，那40片是前年買的，所以前年是40片，去年我們打算買100片，但是去年買100片的預算被砍了，所以我希望委員能支持，讓我今年可以買這100片。 |
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部長，這畫面因為有上字幕的關係，鏡週刊說砍了什麼都不知道，我回去看了114年1月2號數發部預算審查的會議紀錄，我完全沒有針對GPU的採購還有建置提出刪減案。 |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-08T11:09:58.982000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:07.668000+08:00 |
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是，因為我們數產署的總……去年的預算原來是提了40億，然後被砍掉20億，這是大約的數字。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:08.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:13.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
因為這個砍掉以後，所以造成我們總是必須有取捨，就是這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:14.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:20.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
那部長現在可以指出，114年1月2號的預算審查中，是哪一個提案編號砍了您的GPU預算？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:21.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:23.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
這個是不是能請我們數產署說明？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:23.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:25.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
因為數產署的預算是由數產署編的。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
林署長俊秀 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:27.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:34.384000+08:00 |
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跟委員簡單報告一下，委員會砍了3.2億，然後在黨團協商的時候砍了20億。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:34.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:36.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
今年會提升到100片嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:36.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:36.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
預算是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
林署長俊秀 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:41.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:41.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
兩億多。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:42.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:46.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
部長，你講到預算，通案刪減是整體預算，不是指定AI項目的預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:46.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-08T11:10:51.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
再來，如果通案預算影響到GPU的話，那你們內部的資源配置有問題嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-08T11:10:55.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:07.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
那個預算被砍掉，當然就是我們預算都得重新分配，那40億被砍掉一半、砍掉20億，這當然是很大金額的刪減。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:07.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:15.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
抱歉，委員，我並沒有說要怎麼樣說……我就只是陳述一個事實，並沒有什麼惡意或者什麼…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:16.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:17.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
算力是基礎，那你的預算被砍了哪個項目，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:19.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:23.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
對，我們的預算被砍以後，所以我們現在的方法，就是想辦法利用民間資金來建設我們的…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:23.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:26.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
那你上一次的說法，是不是在誤導社會認知？是…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:27.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:29.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
那你上一次的說法，是不是在誤導社會認知？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:29.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:31.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
上一次，委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:31.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:34.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我問你今年可不可以從40片提升到140片，這攸關我們國家的競爭力。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:34.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:35.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
當然，我們還是需要預算。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:35.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:36.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
只要是關於國家的競爭力…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:36.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:37.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
因為我們今年的預算都沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:36.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:37.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我一定全力支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:37.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:38.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
還沒有審竣。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:37.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:38.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
你告訴我因為預算被砍了。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:46.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:49.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
那你這個說法是不是在誤導社會？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:49.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:50.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
我哪一個地方誤導社會…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:50.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-08T11:11:55.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
因為預算被砍了，所以沒有提辦法提升到140片，這是你上一次的說法。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-08T11:11:55.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:03.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
是，這個我今天還是這樣講，因為我們40億的預算被砍掉20億，剩下20億，我就只能維持最基本的一些計畫在進行，那我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:04.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:14.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
維持基本的計畫，那你在這一次的報告23頁，你有說要輔導業者建置，目前40片，請部長說明如何輔導業者？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:14.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:17.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我們現在就是想辦法利用那個…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:18.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:19.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
那我問你，40片GPU，這個算是…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:19.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:22.005000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
把那個AI算力中心列入重大公共建設…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:22.005000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:24.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
這個可以稱得上算力池嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:24.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:26.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
稱得上算力池嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:26.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:29.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
算力池就是一個pool，當然可以算是算力池，因為所有的那個…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:29.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:30.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我們來看技術現實。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:30.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:32.075000+08:00 |
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當然這個不是公家的算力池，但這個還是算力池，民間的算力池跟公…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.107 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:32.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:32.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
這是算力池還是測試環境？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:32.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:34.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
跟國家的那個算力池，都是算力池。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:37.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:43.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
一個中型的企業如果要AI訓練，至少需要數百顆到數千顆，現在40片，你告訴我如何訓練？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:43.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:44.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我們當然…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:44.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:45.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我現在請部長說明嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:45.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:46.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我們這40片只是來做…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:45.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:46.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
你說你支持協助…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:46.044000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:47.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
PoC的目的，我們這個不是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:46.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-08T11:12:54.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
242家次，186個業者，你要怎麼協助？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-08T11:12:55.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-08T11:13:19.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
這個就是所謂的PoC，讓他們去做實驗，民間的這些AI新創者如果有什麼想法，他可以來申請我們這個算力，他只是做實驗來驗證他的想法，並不是長期要讓他做經營的，長期的經營這些本來就應該是要回到市場機制，他必須跟民間的算力中心購買算力，那我們現在在做的就是鼓勵民間設立算力中心。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-08T11:13:20.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-08T11:13:26.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
現在包含鴻海等大型企業，他們都已經提出算力中心的計畫，然後這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-08T11:13:26.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-08T11:13:31.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
部長，還是要跟你說，在備詢台上要注意你的說法。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-08T11:13:31.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-08T11:13:31.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
是，我很注意我的說法。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-08T11:13:32.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-08T11:13:43.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
現在他們這個計畫，預計大概都是以萬片來計算的算力中心，這個比政府的算力池要大很多，這個是可以做商業營運，而且他們可以賺錢。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-08T11:13:43.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-08T11:13:48.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我們一直在講，我們要建立的是AI生態系，我們希望算力池本身…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-08T11:13:49.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-08T11:13:52.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
140片可以建立AI生態系嗎？不行！ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-08T11:13:53.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-08T11:13:56.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
單單是100片，絕對不夠的，這個當然是不可能的事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-08T11:13:57.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-08T11:13:58.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
所以我一再強調，這個只是proof of concept不用…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-08T11:13:58.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:09.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
上一次我就教部長，是不是現在140片在國際間具備競爭力，你跟我說預算被砍了，這兩者有什麼關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:09.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:19.507000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
我只是在講，去年我們為什麼沒有買那100片，去年本來我們列了預算要買那100片，後來因為預算被砍掉以後，我們就沒有錢去買那100片，我只是簡單陳述一個事實。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:19.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:23.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
所以我才跟你說，部長，你要注意你的說法，這兩者完全沒有關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:23.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:25.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
那我也沒…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:25.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:26.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
沒關係，我們接著看，今天業務報告中…… |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:26.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:27.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
預算被砍跟那個沒辦法買…… |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:27.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:35.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
部長，你說提升全社會資安動能，在第48頁提到資安院已經辦理大規模產品漏洞獵捕活動。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:35.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:42.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
諷刺的是，在4月1號駭客利用台哥大的語音信箱預設密碼攔截LINE的驗證，今天很多委員都有質詢這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:42.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:43.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
是，沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:42.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:50.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
這個問題已經存在了二十年，而數發部在這件事爆發之後才被動應對，你們才去督導業者、才進行盤點。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:50.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:54.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
事實上在那個新聞還沒報出來之前，我們就已經處理了，這件事情我們處理得非常快。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:55.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-08T11:14:56.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
請問台哥大算不算國內指標性資通訊設備廠商？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-08T11:14:59.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:02.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
台哥大不是設備廠商，他是電信廠商，在這件事情上。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:03.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:18.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
沒關係，我們來看這個報告，在報告中你們說「114年度已辦理我國首次大規模產品漏洞獵捕活動，聯合國內指標性資通訊設備廠商與本土資安研究社群，針對網通設備、……」。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:18.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:25.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
跟委員說明一下，所謂那個資安獵捕計畫，我們是請一些設備廠商，譬如生產router的廠商，他提供他的設備，然後我們找一些駭客來找那上面的漏洞。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.719 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:25.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:27.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
那你們是不是主管機關？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:28.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:30.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
就資安法，你們是不是主管機關？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:30.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:34.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
這我可以跟委員說明，因為這個是非常技術性的，但是這個跟台哥大沒有關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:34.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:36.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
那你們是不是資安法的主管機關？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:36.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:38.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
是，是資安法的主管機關，當然是。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:39.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:42.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
接下來，目前還在調查中嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:42.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:42.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
會不會開罰？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:42.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:50.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
你說LINE跟台哥大的那件事情嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:50.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:51.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
你講的是哪一件事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:51.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-04-08T11:15:52.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
我就是在講LINE跟台哥大的這件事。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-04-08T11:15:52.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:01.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
LINE跟台哥大的這個事情是兩個資安漏洞，那個不是很嚴重的資安漏洞，但是當這兩個資安漏洞結合在一起以後，變成一個大的資安漏洞。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:01.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:05.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
很多資安方面的事情都是這樣子的，就是駭客利用幾個小的資安漏洞…… |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:06.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:06.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
我現在在請教部長嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:06.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:07.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
那之後會不會開罰？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:07.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:08.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
而不是所謂的叫做kill chain，這是一個概念，資安的…… |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.231 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:07.664000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:08.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
你就針對我的問題直接回答就好，之後會不會開罰？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:15.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:21.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
我現在沒有辦法……現在並沒有什麼明確的，就是它哪個地方用哪一條法律、我要怎麼開罰，如果委員這邊用的是哪一條法律，我們應該…… |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.648 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:21.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:24.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
根據資通安全管理法第三十條第一款，未實施資通安全維護計畫，處十萬以上五百萬以下罰鍰；或者第二十九條，重大資安事件未通報，最高可罰處一千萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.73 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:24.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:24.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
他有通報。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
牛司長信仁 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:24.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:30.965500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
報告委員，基本上他有通報，根據資安法的規定他已經有通報了，現在第二個時間點是，一個月之內要繳交應處及改善報告，這部分我們會持續追。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.017 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
牛司長信仁 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:30.965500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:37.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
如果涉及到其他的違法事件，有相關法律的話，我想基於數發部立場，該移送的就移送，以上說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-04-08T11:16:37.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-04-08T11:16:39.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
你們的業務報告中還有提到要推動資安法規調適，修正了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
蔡署長福隆 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:01.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:06.143000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
跟委員報告，有關資安法裡面相關子法的法規調適，我們都已經辦理完成了。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:07.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:12.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
那接下來能不能在一個月內修正規範，要求電信服務只要涉及身分驗證，嚴禁使用預設密碼？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
牛司長信仁 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:12.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:13.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
報告委員，在發生的第一時間，我們在當天11點30分就已經全部改善完成，而且跟所有業者都確認。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
牛司長信仁 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:13.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:14.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
我們昨天也再發文給3家業者，要求針對所有民眾使用的通訊服務可能有預設密碼的情形通盤檢視，到目前為止沒有發生，以上報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:14.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:37.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
好，部長，最後還是說，要注意你的說法。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:38.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:38.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
請你針對問題回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:38.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:39.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
我一直都是針對…… |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
邱委員若華 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:39.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:41.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
不要混為一談。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:41.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:42.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
我沒有混為一談。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:42.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:45.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
抱歉，委員，我就是針對事實回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
林部長宜敬 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:45.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-04-08T11:17:56.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
我向來都是這樣子，你知道我並沒有說有什麼其他的指涉，至於媒體報導什麼，那個不是我講的事情，所以我非常注意我的說法。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-04-08T11:17:57.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-04-08T11:18:01.593429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
謝謝邱委員若華的發言，也謝謝林部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-04-08T11:18:01.893429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-04-08T11:18:05.036286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
接下來請許智傑委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0 |