| IVOD_ID |
168287 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168287 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T12:20:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T12:26:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb00c42bf037786b68701ae777e4c72867e3efd812baa63ee58b328fc7562c8dfc65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:20:48 - 12:26:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、經濟部、衛生福利部、農業部就「穩定供給與減塑並進：因應國際原物料波動之原物料穩定供應及我國減塑治理進程」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
討論事項
一、審查「廢棄物清理法條文修正草案」9案：
（一）委員馬文君等17人擬具「廢棄物清理法第五條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員顏寬恒等19人擬具「廢棄物清理法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員顏寬恒等17人擬具「廢棄物清理法第五條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員林淑芬等22人擬具「廢棄物清理法第七十一條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員張宏陸等17人擬具「廢棄物清理法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員邱議瑩等21人擬具「廢棄物清理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員許智傑等29人擬具「廢棄物清理法第四十六條條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員劉建國等19人擬具「廢棄物清理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員陳冠廷等20人擬具「廢棄物清理法第五十條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查「資源回收再利用法修正草案」2案：
（一）委員許智傑等28人擬具「資源回收再利用法修正草案」案。
（二）委員盧縣一等16人擬具「資源回收再利用法修正草案」案。
【專題報告及法律案綜合詢答，法律案僅詢答】
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主席辛苦了 難為 我盡量的能夠把握時間來有請我們環境部的彭部長有請彭部長委員好部長等一下 因為還沒上線等一下 |
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統籌各部會穩工跟減瘦配合建立公尿順位及提升再生尿的循環我接下來的問題剛好可以滿足剛剛來不及跟紅委員回覆的我先請教部長你有沒有聽過這種瘦瘦針有打下去一針就見效一個月可以減一公斤那請問你可以控制他減哪裡嗎他整個壓抑你的食慾讓你強制減重對不對對這是個總量的減禮但是有人去健身他說什麼雕塑 |
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該減的地方減,不該減的地方還是要擴張的機率,是不是?是好,所以我覺得我們的減瘦啊,不能從瘦瘦症的總量,要從什麼?健身雕塑來上,往下看來,平常減瘦跟非常瘦的線瘦,平常我們減瘦,你目前是採取總額目標管理嘛,5%、10%你們定目標嘛但是在非常時期的線瘦,我們有沒有提供一個配額給不同的需求者? |
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然後我再往下看你可能還在疑惑來我認為環境部應該跨部會趁著這次危機不要浪費任何一次危機農業部有沒有用資材農業的資材有沒有用塑有嘛衛生部有沒有用醫材有啊你的點滴你現在用玻璃瓶吊點滴還是用塑膠瓶吊點滴塑膠瓶嘛經濟部有沒有包材物流業者要什麼包裝嘛請問你覺得哪一個最重要如果要定優先順位的話 |
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必要性跟急迫性必要性的話如果可以做的話應該是經濟部跟農業部經濟部跟農業部的包裁或是資產這個可以剪可以剪醫材要優先供應對醫材優先供應好請問衛福部環境部那你們平常有對這些使用塑料的這些材料有去進行一些用途別的管控跟用量的掌握以及它的急迫性跟缺口性的排序嗎 |
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包委員 目前沒有很好 我這樣一句話就夠了目前沒有 以後要有來往下看其實我們塑膠原物料的管理應該有一個全社會防衛的一個韌性的概念非防時期我料進不來了本來需要100只進來了60那我要分配給誰 |
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我不是叫他一律檢打六折欸我要有系列的去分配所以呢包括在美國在國防生產法在歐盟他有一個關鍵原物料法案他都對這些事情有所規範部長可不可以去參考一下好可以我們塑膠的確沒有放在這裡面你好所以呢我接下來要問的是接下來下一頁就是環境部的總量分配資材 醫材跟包材 |
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不能夠是打瘦瘦針一樣我現在料不夠啦我全部都給我縮幾層不是 而是怎樣要有源頭的管制管制的內容還要很重要的甚至要鼓勵回收再生料 對不對進來的新的沒進來就得繼續用看怎麼回收使用所以目前這一次雖然是中共的戰火讓我們在進原料的部分受到 |
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減工 但是你要穩工 還要怎樣 還要配合減塑所以剛剛集會委員知道 我認為部長講得很好 沒有衝突是併工的 是要穩工 但是要減塑但是你要什麼 你要不同用途類別的Priority優先順位的排序 跟他分別配合的管制思考 |
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部長有沒有辦法做到這一點這個我們會來研究因為委員提到建議比較好因為我們現在全面性的做的確會遇到一些瓶頸那委員如果對症下藥譬如說減了一個那是有用的好所以我來跟你講我是來自農業縣其實我們農業在進行再生料的循環我們一方面減料一方面回收還要用什麼二次的使用的再生料其實農業部他要回收農磨要清洗要再利用這個有沒有得到環境部的支持 |
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有沒有有 這個我們有在那個跟農業部一起推動是然後再生料的話現在有建立這個二次料的一個平台對 我跟你講一下署長 部長我上次有為了一個農藥的包裝我有提到農藥的包裝回收很困難再製的原 |
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那個再生料它成本要高過去由於中國的經濟內捲它大量的塑膠原料低價傾銷所以進口的原生料比國內的再生料還要便宜很多結果再生料沒有人買資源回收做得下去嗎做不下去那請問環境部拿出什麼對策拿出什麼對策是不是你要有政策補貼是不是你要強制或鼓勵導入是不是這樣有沒有打算這樣做 |
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我們是從這個 我們的一個回收基金的回收費裡面來做這個做法是 署長 這個我們都是要討論過了是 要讓部長知道 你要指示我們署長是有關於政策補貼跟強制或鼓勵導入環境部要拿出資源出來 才有辦法各部會聽你的啊你不能告各部會說 我給你總量管制 你配合多少 驗性是怎麼樣你同時要拿出什麼 |
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棒子之外有胡蘿蔔 你的胡蘿蔔在哪裡可以 我們現在其實目前我們的循環法裡面未來的這個東西會統一的來管理所以這個部分我們贊同委員的看法可以蘿蔔的部分可以更多一點點好 那最後的結論時間到了來 結論結論就是請環境部會同經濟部 衛福部跟農業部 |
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提供各部會塑膠原料的需求他的優先順位清單也請讓你們設定主動減速的目標以及被動危機時候來臨的配額兩道邏輯 可不可以去做可以 沒問題好 另外請農業部盤點農業再生資產的獎勵或補助計畫當他們提出來的時候請環境部也要去支持好不好好 沒問題那這兩個結論什麼時候可以給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
355.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
361.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
兩個月 兩個月沒問題 空白支票讓你們簽 兩個月就兩個月好 謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝宗嘉賓委員發言 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-08T12:20:48+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-08T12:20:53.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
好。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-08T12:20:53.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-08T12:20:58.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
主席辛苦了，很難為，我會儘量能夠把握時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-08T12:20:58.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:00.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
來，有請環境部的彭部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:00.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:00.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
有請彭部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:00.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:00.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:00.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:20.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
部長，統籌各部會穩供跟減塑，配合建立供料順位及提升再生料的循環，我接下來的問題剛好可以滿足剛剛來不及跟洪委員回復的。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:20.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:23.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
我先請教部長，你有沒有聽過瘦瘦針？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:24.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:26.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
打下去是一針就見效，一個月可以減1公斤。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:27.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:29.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
請問你，可以控制減在哪裡嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:29.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:33.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
它整個壓抑你的食慾，讓你強制減重，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:33.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:34.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
這是一個總量的減少。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:34.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:40.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
但是有人去健身，叫做雕塑，該減的地方減，不該減的地方還是要擴張肌力，是不是？是。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:41.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:46.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
所以我覺得減塑不能從瘦瘦針的總量，要從健身雕塑來做。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:47.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:53.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
平常減塑跟非常時期的限塑，平常減塑目前是採取總額目標管理，5%、10%，你們有訂目標嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-08T12:21:54.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-08T12:21:59.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
但是在非常時期的限塑，你們有沒有提供一個配額給不同的需求者？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:01.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:03.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
好，我們再往下看，你可能還在疑惑。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:03.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:10.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我認為環境部門應該跨部會，趁著這一次危機，不要浪費任何一次危機，農業部有沒有要用資材？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:11.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:13.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
農業的資材有沒有要用塑？有嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:13.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:14.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
衛福部有沒有要用醫材？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:15.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:18.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
有啊，點滴，你現在是用玻璃瓶吊點滴，還是用塑膠瓶吊點滴？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:19.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:19.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
是塑膠瓶嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:20.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:21.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
經濟部有沒有包材？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:21.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:23.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
物流業要很多包裝嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:24.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:25.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
請問你覺得哪一個最重要？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:25.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:28.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
如果要定優先順位的話，按必要性跟急迫性，如何定？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:29.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:36.787000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
必要性的話，如果可以做的話，應該是經濟部跟農業部，經濟部跟農業部的包材或是資材，這個可以減少。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:37.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:37.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
可以怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:37.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:38.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
可以減？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:38.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:39.547000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
可以減。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:37.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:39.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
醫材要優先供應。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:39.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:40.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
對，醫材優先供應。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:40.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:53.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
好，請問環境部，你們平常有對這些使用塑料的材料，進行一些用途別管控跟用量的掌握，以及它的急迫性跟必要性的排序嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.961 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:54.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:55.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
報告委員，目前沒有，因為我們現在是足夠…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.353 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:56.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-08T12:22:58.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
很好，我覺得一句話就夠了，目前沒有，以後要有。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-08T12:22:59.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-08T12:23:07.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
其實我們塑膠原物料的管理應該有一個全社會防衛韌性的概念，非常時期料進不來了，本來還需要100，只進來60，那要分配給誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-08T12:23:11.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-08T12:23:23.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
不是叫他一律打六折，要有系列地去分配，所以包括在美國有一個國防生產法，在歐盟有一個關鍵原物料法案，都對這些事情有所規範。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-08T12:23:23.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-08T12:23:24.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
部長，可不可以去參考一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-08T12:23:25.103000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-08T12:23:25.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
好，可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-08T12:23:25.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-08T12:23:27.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我們塑膠的確沒有放在這裡面，我們會參考。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-08T12:23:27.384000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-08T12:23:47.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
很好，我接下來要問的是，環境部的總量分配資材、醫材跟包材不能夠像打瘦瘦針一樣，現在料不夠了，就全部都縮幾成，不是，而是要有源頭的管制，管制的內容還有很重要的，甚至要鼓勵回收再生料，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-08T12:23:47.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-08T12:23:50.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
進來的料，新的沒進來，舊的繼續用，看怎麼回收使用。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-08T12:23:51.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-08T12:23:59.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
目前這一次雖然中東的戰火讓我們在進原料的部分受到減供，但是你要穩供，還要怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-08T12:23:59.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-08T12:24:00.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
還要配合減塑。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-08T12:24:01.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-08T12:24:14.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
所以剛剛幾位委員的指導，我認為部長講的很好，沒有衝突，是要穩供，但是要減塑，要有不同用途類別的優先順位排序與分別配合額管制思考。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-08T12:24:15.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-08T12:24:17.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
部長，有沒有辦法做到這一點？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-08T12:24:17.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-08T12:24:25.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
好，這個我們會來研究，因為委員提出來的建議比較好，我們現在全面性地做，的確會遇到一些瓶頸，如果對症下藥，例如說減了一個是有用的…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-08T12:24:26.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-08T12:24:42.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
好，所以我要跟你講，我是來自農業縣，其實我們農業在進行再生料的循環，我們一方面減量，一方面回收，還要用二次使用的再生料，其實農業部要回收農膜，要清洗，要再利用，這個有沒有得到環境部的支持？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-08T12:24:44.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-08T12:24:46.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
有沒有？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴署長瑩瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-08T12:24:46.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-08T12:24:52.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
這個我們有跟農業部一起推動，再生料的話，現在有建立二次料的平台。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-08T12:24:52.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:18.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我跟你們講一下，署長、部長，我上次也為了一個農藥的包裝，提到農藥的包裝回收很困難，再生料成本要高，過去由於中國的經濟內捲，大量的塑膠原料低價傾銷，所以進口的原生料比國內的再生料還要便宜很多，結果再生料沒有人買，資源回收做得下去嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:18.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:18.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
做不下去。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:19.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:19.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
請問環境部拿得出什麼對策？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:19.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:20.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
是不是要有政策補貼？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:20.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:20.651000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
是不是要強制或鼓勵導入？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:20.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:20.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
是不是這樣？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:20.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:21.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
有沒有打算這樣做？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴署長瑩瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:31.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:35.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我們是從我們的回收基金的回收費裡面來支持這個做法。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:36.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:50.648000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
署長，這個我們都私下討論過了，要讓部長知道，部長，你要指示署長，關於政策補貼跟強制或鼓勵導入，環境部要拿出資源，才有辦法讓各部會聽你的。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:51.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:56.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
你不能只是跟各部會說要總量管制、配額要多少，優先順序要怎麼樣，你同時要拿出什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.694 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:57.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-08T12:25:59.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
拿出棒子之後要有胡蘿蔔，你的胡蘿蔔在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-08T12:25:59.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:00.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
好，可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:02.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:06.490000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
目前我們的循環法理面，未來這些會統一地管理。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:07.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:12.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
這個部分我們贊同委員的看法，胡蘿蔔的部分可以更多一點點。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱：好，時間到了，我來做最後的結論，結論就是 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:15.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:28.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
請環境部會同經濟部、衛福部跟農業部，提供各部會塑膠原料的需求優先順位清單，也請你們設定主動減塑的目標，以及被動危機來臨的配額，兩套邏輯，可不可以去做？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:28.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:29.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
可以，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:29.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:32.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
另外，請農業部盤點農業再生資材的獎勵或補助計畫，當他們提出來的時候，請環境部也要去支持，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:32.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:32.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
好，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:32.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:32.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
這兩個結論什麼時候可以給我？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
賴署長瑩瑩 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:43.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:43.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
兩個月。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:43.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:43.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
兩個月。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:43.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:45.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
兩個月沒問題？好。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:45.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:47.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
空白支票讓你們簽，兩個月就兩個月，好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:47.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:47.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
彭部長啓明 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:47.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:48.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
謝謝委員。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:48.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:49.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
好，謝謝鍾佳濱委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-08T12:26:50.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-08T12:26:52.745429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
接下來請羅美玲發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |