| IVOD_ID |
168275 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168275 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T12:03:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T12:10:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb0711a0dcf44ca6edca7afadf2dd1952ec3efd812baa63ee58356a8bce1c9ee5345ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:03:21 - 12:10:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「台美關稅協定（ART）中關於『擴大採購及購買』（原油、天然氣、發電設備等）項目之評估、規劃及涉及之問題與工作，並就台灣中油股份有限公司之增資案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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接下來我們有請賴世寶委員質詢謝謝主席以及各位先進有請經濟部的龔部長還有中央的董事長我請教一下先請教一下 |
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從美伊開始打仗到現在為止中友有沒有從荷姆茲海峽進來游跟騎有沒有2月底開始打仗到現在有沒有一艘都沒有有沒有在談 |
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他全部都封死了我知道你現在是他封死了他現在要收錢嗎要收錢有沒有跟你談就是你有沒有機會跟他談跟伊朗談我跟委員報告沒有但是我們談的對象就是那些供應國家譬如說沙烏地阿拉伯或者是聯合大公國那麼我們希望他能夠用別種方式轉運出來譬如說沙烏地阿拉伯的油管從鴻海那邊出來 |
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沙烏地阿拉伯克維特阿拉伯聯合大公國卡特阿曼這幾個國家聯合大公國我們希望他從管線送到阿曼這邊從那邊出來所以等於說2月底開戰之後到現在沒有一滴油從要衝動過來是不是目前沒有但是預期會有什麼時候預期4月大概中旬就會有船從鴻海這邊送出來一艘 |
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不只一艘幾艘目前在談的有四艘全部是量多少一艘船大概就是兩百萬桶兩百萬所以四艘有八百萬所以hopefully我們大概就四月中可以有這個優過來陸陸續續陸陸續續所以你沒有跟伊朗直接談沒有他要經過那裡要收錢我們是要收錢沒有 |
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所以收不出錢跟你沒有關係沒有關係好 這個部長啊這個塑膠袋之亂啊到現在還在亂還有缺貨前幾天我去買一個飯糰不給我塑膠袋啊說塑膠袋 現在沒了沒了 欠價了 打欠價了沒沒咧我買個飯糰說不要塑膠袋了是不是我手自己拿 變成這樣 |
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昨天那個我們跟商圈的一些代表理事長們有談他們也希望說是不是在趁這個時候讓消費者有一個習慣自己可以帶 |
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我外帶啦有時候就不會 其實你剛剛我知道啦 自己準備到最好自己準備便當更好 對不對但是你現在那賣福氣啦 不是這樣啦所以我們從源頭已經增加了台灣的國民所得超過4萬美金你覺得還需要這樣子嗎一定要很方便的當然要環保啦 不是說國民所得所以缺貨是應該的是不是不是 不是但是環保是應該的 不是缺貨應該小鳥 |
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上游把你吞後還是中游沒有 上游我們現在已經開始增加了比平常增加了五千五百萬噸嘛我知道啦 原來五千五百萬噸Supply平面是差不多差不多啦大概一百五十億個嘛 對不對 |
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我們現在額外增加喔原來是差不多差不多但是老百姓在你說兩國是中間有問題嗎好 回過來我要提一下今天的問題喔我今天提的是中友說要增資啊 |
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你自己看你的財務報表119年虧73億114年虧392億114年虧1862億112虧400多億113虧300多億每年虧啊 |
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中藥是怎樣 你那個董事長要不要回答一下每人虧啊 然後你說政治啊 我就雙手一攤 都用料錢 都在列理料錢 當年也料錢按累積虧損800多億 資本額1300億 超過一半啦 按照公司法你要開股東大會啊 |
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是 報告委員就是從109年開始呢我們面臨了很多的國內外的情勢包括了COVID-19包括了惡霧戰爭以及現在的中東中東的一個情勢的變化所以中東公司的實售價格都會去做一些考慮民生的漲幅的問題做一些政策上的一個吸收所以從而造成的這個虧損不是一個大黑箱啦 |
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你們對外講我要吸收所以我就虧這裡面有多少是你的金銀不善就把它蓋住了所以你用補貼這樣子你說我吸收用這個黑箱保你的金銀不善金銀不良 |
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的一個真相被他蓋住了就是變成黑箱啊你的虧損黑箱在這裡然後要我們政治要政治要立法院同意我們怎麼可能同意呢你要講清楚說你政策虧多少全部都政策嗎美麗虧多政策嗎不是啊 |
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你community也早就過了啊暴露戰爭也差不多緩了啊對不對所以你一直講說這個虧兩個意思說一個政策補貼一個就是你經營不善你要把它分清楚我補貼多少我經營不善多少看起來是經營不善你這大黑箱啊大黑箱啊最後一個小問題因為我時間到了主席已經起來了 |
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台塑的賣樓IPP已經啟動了進一步你要購定的合約是不是跟原來IPP一樣是不是回答這個問題我就下去了跟委員報告這個要重新招標重新招標所以舊的不算舊的不算不是依照舊的合約好真的嗎 |
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很悲哀的啦 因為錯誤的能源政策非核造成用廢發電 用廢發電啦全世界都有核電你講日本 韓國 又燒煤 但是他們也有核電基礎在那裡 結果我們沒有核 所以呢PB燒煤所以燒煤 不要忘了 這個東西這個台塑的麥寮 那個南美IPB已經啟動了是不是 |
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什麼時候可以啟動 招標什麼時候確定可以用招標順利以後 |
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我們預計大概是四月中會完成招標但他要整備他可能也要四月底五月才能發電所以等於四月第一整個煤全火力全開沒有沒有沒有這樣的我們用煤量一定不超過去年絕對沒有這樣子用煤發電用廢發電 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請經濟部的龔部長，還有中油的董事長。 |
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請龔部長跟方董事長。 |
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委員好。 |
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2026-04-08T12:03:55.651000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
我先請教一下，從美伊開始打仗到現在為止，中油有沒有從荷姆茲海峽進來油跟氣，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-08T12:03:55.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-08T12:03:56.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
2月底開始打仗到現在有沒有？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-08T12:03:57.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-08T12:03:57.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
一艘都沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-08T12:03:57.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-08T12:03:57.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
一艘都沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-08T12:03:57.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-08T12:03:58.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
有沒有在談？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:09.288000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:10.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
他全部都封死。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:10.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:15.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
對，我知道，現在是他封死，他現在要收錢啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:15.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:17.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
要收錢有沒有跟你談？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:17.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:20.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
就是你有沒有機會跟他談，跟伊朗談？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:20.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:28.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
我跟委員報告，沒有，但是我們談的對象就是那些供應國家，譬如說沙烏地阿拉伯或者是聯合大公國。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:28.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:36.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
我們希望他能夠用別種方式轉運出來，譬如說沙烏地阿拉伯的油管從紅海那邊出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:37.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:43.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
沙烏地阿拉伯、科威特、阿拉伯聯合大公國、卡達、阿曼這幾個國家。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:43.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:48.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
對，聯合大公國我們希望它管線送到阿曼這邊，從那邊出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:48.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:56.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
好，所以等於說2月底開戰之後到現在，沒有一滴油從中東過來是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:57.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:58.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
目前沒有，但是預期會有。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-08T12:04:59.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-08T12:04:59.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
預期什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:01.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:04.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
大概4月中旬就會有船從紅海這邊送出來。1艘？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:06.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:07.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
不只1艘。幾艘？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:08.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:09.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
目前在談的有4艘。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:12.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:12.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
量多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:13.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:15.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
1艘船大概200萬桶。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:16.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:21.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
所以4艘有800萬桶，hopefully，我們大概4月中可以有油過來。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:21.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:21.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
陸陸續續。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:21.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:23.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
所以你們沒有跟伊朗直接談？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:24.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:26.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
經過荷姆茲不是要收錢？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:33.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:34.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
所以收不收錢跟你們沒有關係？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:34.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:35.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
沒有關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:36.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:47.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
部長，塑膠袋之亂到現在還在亂，還有缺貨，前幾天我去買一個飯糰，不給我塑膠袋，說沒貨，大家都缺貨，拿個飯糰沒塑膠袋，還要自己用手拿。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.732 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:47.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-08T12:05:57.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
你回答都有貨，供應沒有問題，一定有人囤貨，不然怎麼會缺呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-08T12:05:57.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:17.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
昨天我們跟商圈的一些代表、理事長們談，他們也希望是不是趁這個時候讓消費者有一個習慣，自己可以外帶。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:18.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:19.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
有時候就會忘記啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:19.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:23.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我知道自己準備最好，自己準備便當更好，但是現在就來不及。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:24.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:24.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
源頭已經增加料源。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:24.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:25.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
臺灣的國民所得超過4萬美金，你覺得還需要這樣子嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:25.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:25.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
一定要很方便的。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:25.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:26.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
要環保，不是國民所得的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:26.417000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:26.597000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
所以缺貨是應該的，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:26.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:27.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
不是，環保是應該的，不是缺貨應該的。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:43.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:44.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
上游囤貨？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:45.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:46.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
還是中游？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:46.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:52.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
上游已經開始增加，比平常增加了5,500噸，平常是2.2萬噸。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:52.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:52.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我知道啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:54.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-08T12:06:58.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
supply和demand差不多，大概150億個塑膠袋，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-08T12:06:58.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-08T12:07:04.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
對，我們現在額外增加，原來是差不多、差不多，現在額外增加。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-08T12:07:04.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-08T12:07:05.416000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
你說量夠，但是中間有問題嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-08T12:07:05.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-08T12:07:17.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
回過頭來，我要提一下今天的問題，中油說要增資，你看財務報表，109年虧損73億元，110年虧392億元，111年虧1,862億元，112年虧二百多億元，113年虧三百多億元，每年虧啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.741 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-08T12:07:32.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-08T12:07:33.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
中油是怎麼了？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-08T12:07:34.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-08T12:07:41.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
董事長要不要回答一下，每年虧，你說要增資，每年都虧錢，累計虧損八百多億元，資本額1,300億元，超過一半了，依公司法規定要開股東大會。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.691 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-08T12:07:53.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-08T12:08:14.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
從109年開始，我們面臨了很多國內外的情勢，包括COVID-19，包括俄烏戰爭以及現在中東情勢的變化，所以中油公司的實售價格都會去考慮民生的漲幅而做一些政策上的吸收，因此才會造成虧損。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-08T12:08:15.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-08T12:08:45.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
現在像個大黑箱，你們對外講要吸收所以虧錢，這裡面有多少是你們經營不善，就把它蓋住了，所以你用補貼吸收這樣的黑箱，把你的經營不善、經營不良的真相蓋住了，變成黑箱，你的虧損黑箱在這裡，然後要我們增資，增資要立法院同意，我們怎麼可能同意呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.819 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-08T12:08:45.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-08T12:08:46.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
你要講清楚政策虧多少，全部都因政策嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-08T12:08:46.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-08T12:08:47.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
每一年虧都因政策嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-08T12:08:47.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-08T12:08:47.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
不是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-08T12:08:52.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-08T12:08:54.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
COVID-19早就過了，俄烏戰爭也差不多緩了，對不對！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.682 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-08T12:08:54.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-08T12:08:58.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
所以虧損有兩個因素，一個是政策補貼，一個就是你經營不善，你要把它分清楚，包括補貼是多少或經營不善是多少，看起來經營不善是大黑箱。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-08T12:08:58.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-08T12:09:27.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
最後一個小問題，台塑麥寮IPP已經啟動了，經濟部的購電合約是不是跟原來IPP一樣，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.805 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-08T12:09:29.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-08T12:09:33.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
這要重新招標。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-08T12:09:33.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-08T12:09:35.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
所以舊的不算？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-08T12:09:36.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-08T12:09:38.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
不是依照舊的合約。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-08T12:09:40.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-08T12:09:45.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
很悲哀的，因為錯誤的非核能源政策，造成用肺發電、用命發電啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-08T12:09:45.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-08T12:09:46.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
沒有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-08T12:09:46.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-08T12:09:47.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
全世界都增加，而且我們承諾…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-08T12:09:45.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-08T12:09:47.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
全世界都有核電，你講日本、韓國有燒煤，但是它們也有核電，基礎在那裡，結果我們沒有核電，所以拚命燒煤。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-08T12:09:47.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-08T12:09:48.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
它們燒煤比率增加了，我們是承諾不會比去年增加。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-08T12:09:48.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-08T12:09:49.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
台塑麥寮的燃煤IPP已經啟動了，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:10.386000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:11.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
什麼時候可以啟動？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:11.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:13.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
還要招標。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:13.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:13.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
什麼時候確定？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:13.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:15.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
什麼時候招標？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:15.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:16.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
招標順利以後。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:16.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:23.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
那是什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:23.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:31.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
我們預計大概4月中會完成招標，但是它要整備，可能也要4月底、5月才能發電。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:31.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:37.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
等於4月底整個煤火力全開？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:37.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:44.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
沒有這樣，我們用煤量一定不超過去年，絕對沒有這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:45.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:45.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
用命發電、用肺發電。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:46.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:48.293000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
謝謝賴士葆委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-08T12:10:48.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-08T12:10:51.735857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
接下來請陳清龍委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |