| IVOD_ID |
168257 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168257 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T11:28:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T11:40:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb08fed7cd377f3f259a7afadf2dd1952ecce185cfc45202cc0e901f84a635eded85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:28:21 - 11:40:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「台美關稅協定（ART）中關於『擴大採購及購買』（原油、天然氣、發電設備等）項目之評估、規劃及涉及之問題與工作，並就台灣中油股份有限公司之增資案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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邱志偉 周偉進行質詢謝謝主席 也請經濟部鞏部長請經濟部鞏部長鍾游芳董事長鍾游芳董事長主席總署李副署 黃副署長經貿辦徐志密邱志偉好這個第一個問題從你們的報告想請教經濟部鞏部長 |
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就是說關於中油的這個增資案本部將依向金融機構辦理專案融資第二個用特別國安任性特別條例的預算的餘裕進行撥補然後規劃辦理增資能不能講得更清楚一點你用這三個方向要達成未來1.16到1.19四年3500億 |
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用這三個來源我們說明更清楚一點沒有 3500億那個是編預算證資那第一年就是明年第一年我們會 |
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編1687億然後後續會再編預算那你報告說這個緊急財這些營運基金就是為了要用三千五嘛三千五百億的這個增資那講到這三項像金融機構辦理專案農資還有用特別條例的特別預算還有辦理增資對 那個專案貸款的部分是充實這個 |
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綜合公司的現金流啊那你專案融資你要融資多少現金流可能會有所不足啊那可能那個董事長比較清楚因為這你們報告裡面寫你還要跟金融機構辦理專案融資融資的額度是多少規模是多少目前我們提出來是3000億的融資3000億不包含3500億喔 |
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這是兩件事情哇塞啦你要增資三千五在未來四年嘛你要跟這個金融機構要辦理專案融資又是三千億對不對那加起來六千五了喔好那你說的用這個特別預算的餘裕進行撥補要撥補多少 |
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伯谷現在是行政院還在核算當中所以就有三個來源3500億是增資3千億是跟金融機構專案融資另外還有特別預算的這個伯谷這樣大概將近七八千億 |
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波普我不曉得 這個要行政院看有多好的事你們報告寫 我看不懂金額不確定 那個就是波普的部分 現在還在討論所以你今年3月16號報行政院 這已經准了嗎 |
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1687億族裔總數基本上他還在因為那個是要編明年預算族裔總數族裔總數會看政府的財政狀況然後跟預算程序適時提出這筆錢是要讓終於有3500億增資的一部分嗎 |
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是的,按照中原目前所提的四年三千五,那經濟部現在提出來第一年那未來三年呢,你第一年就一六八七了嘛,你未來三年還有大概一千多少一千八百多,再分下面三年嘛這一錢都是用行政院的相關預算來預注嗎? |
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會逐年來評估啦你們財源錢從哪裡來要說清楚要講得很清楚這是國家的財政預算你還要送立法院來審議嘛所以我先看看這錢從哪邊來就是我們邊在我們經濟部增資到這個中友啊為什麼還要經貿行政院 |
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行政院要同意啊 因為總的那個經濟部的預算你要報行政院同意之後你才要編嘛所以你是116年就要用了 那你這該算編了嗎明年啊 所以今年還在籌編當中你的目標是明年116可以1687億嘛這我們基本上支持啊你現在這個負債比是92% |
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你這個負債792億嘛對 那個是累積虧損比你限職差一點點你如果在財政上沒有讓中油健全的話你各項接手對美的採購對美的採購很多啊都是中油在執行這個是跟台美之間談判出來的結果你這個對美採購包括這個原油跟這個 |
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天然氣總共中油庫的執行是多少444億嘛444億裡面要怎麼去分配要怎麼去執行你分四年嘛對不對 |
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NG大概是多少比例 原油是多少比例能不能提供一些細項你444億美金 這金額很大 分四年執行那你用的天然氣採購多少 原油採購多少這個部分 是不是在提供資料另外 台灣辦公室也提到 |
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台電也有252億的電力設備不是全部台電 一部分是台電那執行單位除了台電之外還有哪些呢就是包括還有中鋼 漢翔 台船等一些設備的採購對啦 制鋼嘛 還有船用設備 儲存設施等等好 接下來152億民用航空機跟發動機是由誰來執行 |
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那個是交通部應該是華航啦那經貿辦這是你們談出來的結果嘛152億要採購美國的民用航空機買飛機啦買民航機嘛還有發動機嘛這個如果不是機密的話可以讓我們知道一下到底152億要採購哪些品項如果不是機密的話 |
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我們會再簽合約你如果有機密當然有機密處決方式最後一個問題CPTPP到底是談判辦還是外交部還是經濟部組織向委員報告這個其實是一個跨部會大家一起合作誰是負責的單位學社單位是哪一個 |
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最後的決策者是誰?決策的話應該是整個行政的體系我也知道啊總之排版定案人是誰?擬定策略人是誰?執行人是誰?策略要先擬出來才能去執行策略誰是先鋒部隊?誰是幕僚部隊?誰是最後的決策者?這個很清楚其他有些國家像澳洲是外經貿部 |
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外交部結合經貿部這個功能 外經貿部所以談判要有策略要有執行的這個專業人才還有進度相關的管控這點我希望說一定要有部會你只有經貿辦啦 我覺得人力不夠而且你沒有辦法去協調兩個部會你要協調12個駐外管處 |
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我是CPTPP的CPTPP過去八年這不是務虛的這個會長這不是務虛的會2021啊我開完記者會呼籲政府盡速這個申請加入CPTPP我大聲呼籲之前還開過兩次結果那記者會開完之後結果老共跑去申請了我們在後面在老共後面才申請 |
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那時候我已經呼籲很久了因為這12個會員國每一個都要很精準的去跟他們主要的決策者去跟他們談判 因為還有雙邊要談判嘛有雙邊的經濟問題要先談判 獲得他們的共識嘛這個商標法 這個諸作權法 |
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這些都是我當招委的時候修過才符合這個CPTPP奧克蘭三原則的這個這個經貿標準我想子敏你也很清楚吧我們早就符合奧克蘭三原則就是需要有我們有幫幫我們說話比如說日本或英國紐澳加拿大他們可以在每次部長會議的時候幫台灣發聲說是不是我們提案讓台灣成立台灣陸會成立工作小組 |
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由工作小組才踩出第一步我很急啊但是我覺得我不曉得我要監督你們哪一個單位我是覺得有時候我想說我自己打電話給這個12個作業館處的大使我問大使了解目前狀況如何 |
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如果部裡面沒辦法掌握那怎麼樣去針對他們的執行狀況你要去給一些建議或是做一些調整做一些修正像委員報告外交部他就CPTPP有一個任務小組他們都定期的會跟12個會員國的駐外管處是有開會定期是多久 |
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這看外交部的規劃我們這邊看到的話大概一季至少會有一次如果我是部長每個禮拜都開會每個禮拜都開會你現在視訊會很方便嘛如果你們不開我經紀人會來開這個駐外管處他們都有隨時就是不是你一定要給他們這個壓力才會有更強的動力嘛就代表說政府很重視台灣CBVB的陸會的事情嘛是 |
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如果真的當一回事真的是台灣非常重要的一個政策你就應該這個給行政部門更多的資源但是同時也要給他更大的壓力讓每一個前線作戰或是後線資源的人都能夠齊心齊力把它當作一個國家經貿戰略裡面非常重要的一項如果你沒有辦法整合這些諸外管束所有這些國家的這些動向我們陸會真的是 |
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遙不可及我覺得應該要加緊速度然後加強力道統合這個外交部跟經濟部的相關的力量今年是關鍵我一個人就跑了多少國家加拿大也去 連秘魯也去都我自費去還有新加坡也去 越南也去汶萊我也去看看到底汶萊的狀況如何 |
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如果你們的專業絕對比我夠但是如果我積極度比不上國會的話 這你們要檢討我自認我當時這個會長不是誠意務虛的都有固定的這個工作時程現在會計當中那麼滿 我還要兩天一夜或者當天來回 |
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為了什麼就為了要讓這個國外的這些國會了解說立法院台灣的國會也很支持台灣很重視台灣教育CPTPP這個主席 抱歉這個講到激動處啊欲罷不能好啦 下次我當召委我再專門再排這個CPTPP議程謝謝召委 |