| IVOD_ID |
168230 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168230 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T10:23:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T10:31:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb07d00a4c0faadce72a7afadf2dd1952ec212c5ce4660756d3c83aa5707098847e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:23:14 - 10:31:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「台美關稅協定（ART）中關於『擴大採購及購買』（原油、天然氣、發電設備等）項目之評估、規劃及涉及之問題與工作，並就台灣中油股份有限公司之增資案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席好我想請經濟部鞏部長還有我們經辦談判辦公室的徐代表徐委員早安早 |
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國務部長跟徐代表我想請問一下就是我們在對美的這個關稅談判裡面 |
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行政院公布的是說我們享有的是最惠國待遇但是目前我們看到了專利美國他公布的專利藥品的這個課稅裡面他對美輸進口的話需要課百分之百的關稅但是台灣並沒有在這個清單裡面為什麼 |
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我知道雖然說我們蘇美的這個藥品喔占我們的總額就是說專利藥占我們總額可能是10點多%而且產值不高但是我想請教的是會不會這是沒有享有最惠國待遇是不是有其他項目也不會享有最惠國待遇 |
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是 向委员报告首先在药品的部分这个我国在跟美国已经签署的这个投资MOU跟ART里面是有在明选民药跟它的原料是豁免对等关税选民药这个部分那所以上个礼拜政府院长在记者会也是有强调说这个是选民药的部分 |
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我是說專利藥因為過去你們對國人宣布的是說我們享有最惠國待遇但是現在我們看到了4月2號美國再次宣布的這個專利藥裡面我們沒有享有最惠國待遇但是未來會不會有其他項目我們也沒有享有最惠國待遇呢 |
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像委員報告就是說在那個今天的書面報告也有提到就是說我們在這個投資MOU裡面是有享有這個在半導體方面是最惠國的這個待遇是確定的那其他的有一些產品我們也是有享有這個稅率的那個 |
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比較低然後以及還有這個豁免的部分豁免的話在這個對等關稅裡面有豁免在MOU裡面有提到那至於說委員有提到說其他的項目那這個就是要看這個美方會不會再就所以有可能是不是但是我們的是不是有可能是不是有可能MOU裡面有提到說未來會不會有可能其他項目的時候雙方會再就這個部分會不會有可能還有其他項目 |
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如果有其他項目的時候MOU有載明雙方要做磋商那未來如果進一步有其他項目的時候你怎麼磋商那你磋商的條件是就是按照沒有辦法按照原稅率喔現在是15%嘛對不對不疊加 |
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因為就是說有新的項目的時候那按照MOU的規定雙方要再做磋商那我方一定是力爭能夠是相對優勢跟最佳的待遇那還有什麼其他的項目目前在你們清單裡面因為在其他項目還沒進入磋商的很多項喔他的規定是說 這樣子有很多項喔未來有新的項目的時候對 這樣子會有很多項喔所以那個是要看美方是不是有新的項目是不是未來會有很多項 |
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我們會持續的密切注意美方是不是有新的項目要進行232的國安調查還有我想要請教一下就在於我們工部長現在我們提到了就是未來要提高美國的天然氣占我國天然氣的總體占比那是不是就是說未來長期來講 |
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對於我們油價以及對於整體對煤採購的這個天然氣以及石油是不是會有結構性的轉變 會不會 |
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結構會有變化因為它就是會長期對剛剛提到的現在是大概我們從那邊購的是大概佔10%那為了能源韌性跟安全的問題所以我們會提高到2029年會提高到25%那主要理由就是說因為要分散一下風險原來是比較集中在卡拔 |
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所以對美的採購會提高到25%對 然後美國說老實話它的這個價格報價也比較穩定以目前來講的話所以對中國公司也是有幫助對我們也是有幫助的那對於整體的價格波動呢價格波動會比較穩定啊就是價格比較不會波動那但是整體的成本會不會提高 |
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理論上應該是不會因為美國事實上它的這個生產器的成本比中東要低所以未來如果對美採購天然氣是不會不會提高整體的成本 |
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跟委員報告中央公司採購LNG的話那一定是會根據國際市場的一個狀況來去議定這些合約當然包括這些價格所以應該就是在市場可接受的一個價格水平市場可接受的價格水平那所以現在目前中央公司虧損多少目前累積虧損是接近800億 |
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800億嘛793嘛對不對快要接近800億那未來你們預計還會虧損多少如果這一次的就是說中東的衝突沒有在四到六個禮拜解決更長的時候中油必須要虧損多少我們要拿多少人納稅錢去補這個洞 |
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跟委員報告當然就是說能源高漲進口成本增加所以在銷售端的部分如果說能夠某種程度的反應的話那這樣的虧損就會減緩那現在就是在於這個政策上對於照顧民生這個區塊後續的發展會是怎麼樣子中油公司就持續去關注這些事情 |
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所以你也不確定是你們內部沒有評估就是中東的衝突到底多久會結束嗎 |
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拱部長還有答案是不是拱部長有研究對不對拱部長有研究 你有研究對不對你知道中東的衝突有可能什麼時候結束今天是好消息就是說和緩了嘛 兩個禮拜那兩個禮拜期間這個船是可以通過赫姆斯海峽那我們希望當然有比較好的結果啦那我的意思就是說因為 |
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油價的波動會根據這個形勢變化波動非常大所以他這個消息一出來以後他的這個合約價就是這個預期價格馬上降到了這個100塊以下那這個變化就很大所以綜合公司的這個狀況財務狀況就會根據這個可能要比較精算沒有辦法說 |
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那麼確定去估算說未來很長遠的時間我們當然會有一些模擬但是那個只是一個模擬而已你沒有回答我問題你剛才好像你對那個中東衝突的這個有了解說有具體的了解說到底什麼時候會結束這個可能要問川普你給他打電話是不是好謝謝老師 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-04-08T10:23:14.009000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T10:23:15.129000+08:00 |
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主席好，我想請經濟部龔部長，還有經貿談判辦公室的徐代表。 |
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0.92 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-08T10:23:15.129000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-08T10:23:16.129000+08:00 |
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請龔部長和徐執秘。 |
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0.125 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-08T10:23:15.189000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-08T10:23:15.630000+08:00 |
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謝委員早安。早。 |
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0.833 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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2026-04-08T10:23:41.468000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T10:24:12.956000+08:00 |
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龔部長和徐代表，我想請問一下，就是在我們對美的關稅談判裡面，行政院公布的是我們享有最惠國待遇，但是目前我們看到了美國公布的專利藥品課稅裡面，對美進口的話，需要課100%的關稅，臺灣並沒有在這個豁免清單裡面，為什麼？ |
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0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-08T10:24:16.799000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T10:24:42.229000+08:00 |
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我知道雖然我們輸美的專利藥品占我們的總額可能是百分之十點多，而且產值不高，但是我想請教的是這沒有享最惠國待遇，是不是有其他項目也不會享有最惠國待遇？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-08T10:24:46.355000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-08T10:25:07.413000+08:00 |
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向委員報告，首先，在藥品的部分，我國在跟美國已經簽署的投資MOU和ART裡面，有載明學名藥這個部分和它的原料是豁免對等關稅，所以上個禮拜鄭副院長在記者會也是有強調，這個是學名藥的部分。 |
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0.576 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-08T10:25:07.653000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T10:25:30.093000+08:00 |
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對，我是說專利藥，因為過去你們對國人宣布的是我們享有最惠國待遇，但是現在我們看到4月2日美國再次宣布的專利藥裡面，我們沒有享有最惠國待遇，未來會不會有其他項目我們也沒有享有最惠國待遇呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-08T10:25:31.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:09.823000+08:00 |
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向委員報告，在今天的書面報告也有提到，我們在投資MOU裡面，在半導體方面有享有最惠國待遇是確定的，其他的項目，有一些產品，我們也是有享有稅率比較低，以及豁免的部分，在對等關稅裡面有豁免，在MOU裡面有提到，至於委員有提到其他的項目，這個就要看美方會不會再就更多產品…… |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:10.063000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:11.043000+08:00 |
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所以有可能，是不是？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:11.544000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:12.144000+08:00 |
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但是我們的MOU裡…… |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:12.324000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:13.545000+08:00 |
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是不是有可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:13.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:14.505000+08:00 |
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是不是有可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:14.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:16.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
MOU裡面有提到，未來…… |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:16.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:16.247000+08:00 |
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會不會有可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:16.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:16.847000+08:00 |
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如果美方有其他項目的時候，雙方會就這個部分再做磋商。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:17.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:17.527000+08:00 |
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會不會有可能還有其他項目？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:23.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:26.472000+08:00 |
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如果有其他項目的時候，MOU有載明雙方要做磋商。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:27.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:32.553000+08:00 |
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未來如果進一步有其他項目的時候，你怎麼磋商？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:33.374000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:38.035000+08:00 |
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你磋商的條件就是沒有辦法按照原稅率喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:38.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:38.275000+08:00 |
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現在是15%，不疊加，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:44.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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2026-04-08T10:26:52.729000+08:00 |
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就是有新的項目的時候，按照MOU的規定，雙方要再磋商，那我方一定力爭能夠是相對優勢和最佳待遇。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:53.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:54.110000+08:00 |
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還有什麼其他的項目？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:54.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-08T10:26:56.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
目前在你們的清單裡面。因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-08T10:26:57.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:00.654000+08:00 |
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其他還沒進入磋商的項目，很多項…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:01.174000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:01.515000+08:00 |
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它的規定是…… |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:01.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:02.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
這樣有很多項喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:03.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:04.597000+08:00 |
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未來有新的項目的時候…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:05.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:06.218000+08:00 |
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對，這樣會有很多項喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:06.258000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:08.659000+08:00 |
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所以那個要看美方是不是有新的項目。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:08.819000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:09.680000+08:00 |
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是不是未來會有很多項？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
徐資深談判代表兼執行秘書崇欽 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:11.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:16.176000+08:00 |
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我們會持續的密切注意美方是不是有新的項目要進行232的國安調查。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:17.136000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:29.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
還有我想要請教一下，就教於龔部長，現在我們提到未來要提高美國天然氣占我國天然氣的總體占比……對。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:33.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:44.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
以未來長期來講，對於我們的油價，以及對於整體對美採購的天然氣、石油，是不是會有結構性的轉變，會不會？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:48.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:51.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
結構會有變化，因為就是會從剛剛…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:51.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-08T10:27:51.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我是說長期。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-08T10:27:52.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:08.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
對，剛剛提到了，現在我們從那邊購的大概占10%，為了能源韌性和安全問題，所以我們到2029年會提高到25%，主要的理由是因為要分散一下風險，原來是比較集中在卡達，現在就是分散風險…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:10.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:13.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
所以對美的採購會提高到25%。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:13.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:22.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
對，而且說老實話，美國的價格、報價也比較穩定，以目前來講的話，所以對中油公司也是有幫助，對我們也是有幫助的。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:23.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:26.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
對於整體的價格波動呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:26.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:27.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
未來長期來講。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:27.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:28.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
價格波動會比較穩定，因為從美國過來…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:28.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:32.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
就是價格比較不會波動，但是整體的成本會不會提高？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:33.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:34.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
理論上，應該是不會…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:34.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:35.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
不會提高，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:34.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:39.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
因為事實上美國生產氣的成本比中東要低。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:40.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-08T10:28:45.482000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
所以未來如果對美採購天然氣是不會提高整體的成本？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-08T10:28:48.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-08T10:29:03.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
跟委員報告，中油公司採購LNG的話，一定是會根據國際市場的狀況來去議定這些合約，當然包括價格，所以應該就是在市場可接受的價格水平。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-08T10:29:05.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-08T10:29:06.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
市場可接受的價格水平……是。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-08T10:29:07.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-08T10:29:09.907000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
所以目前中油公司虧損多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-08T10:29:11.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-08T10:29:14.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
目前累積虧損是接近800億。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-08T10:29:16.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-08T10:29:18.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
接近800億，793億，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-08T10:29:18.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-08T10:29:20.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
快要接近800億。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-08T10:29:20.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-08T10:29:22.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
未來你們預計還會虧損多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-08T10:29:25.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-08T10:29:25.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
如果像這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-08T10:29:25.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-08T10:29:36.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
如果這一次中東的衝突沒有在4到6個禮拜解決，更長的話，中油必須要虧損多少，我們要拿納稅人多少錢去補這個洞？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-08T10:29:40.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-08T10:30:04.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
跟委員報告，當然能源價格高漲，進口成本增加，所以在銷售端的部分，如果能夠某種程度去反映的話，這樣虧損就會減緩，現在重點就是在政策上對於照顧民生這個區塊後續的發展會是怎麼樣，中油公司就是持續去關注這件事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-08T10:30:05.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-08T10:30:13.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
所以你也不確定，是你們內部沒有評估中東的衝突到底多久會結束嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-08T10:30:15.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-08T10:30:16.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
龔部長，你有答案是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-08T10:30:17.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-08T10:30:18.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
龔部長有研究對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-08T10:30:19.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-08T10:30:21.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
你有研究對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-08T10:30:21.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-08T10:30:22.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
不是，我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-08T10:30:21.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-08T10:30:24.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
你知道中東的衝突有可能在什麼時候結束嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-08T10:30:25.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-08T10:30:36.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
今天是有好消息，就是和緩了，在兩個禮拜期間船隻可以通過荷姆茲海峽，那我們當然希望有比較好的結果。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-08T10:30:37.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:09.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
我的意思就是說，因為油價會根據情勢的變化而有波動，波動非常大，所以在這個消息一出來以後，石油的合約價也就是預期的價格就馬上降到100塊以下，這個變化就很大，所以中油公司的財務狀況就會根據這個，可能要比較精算，沒有辦法那麼確定地估算出未來很長遠時間的價格，我們當然會有一些模擬，但是那只是一個模擬而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:09.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:10.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
你沒有回答我的問題啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:10.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:18.265000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
看起來你好像對中東衝突有具體了解到底在什麼時候會結束。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:18.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:18.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
這個可能要問川普。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:18.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:19.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
你可以打電話給他，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:19.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:19.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:19.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:21.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
謝謝謝衣鳯委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:21.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:27.660286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我請問一下，美國天然氣的到岸價格是不是10到14塊？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:27.960286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:33.388857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
以目前來講，如果是長約的話，大約在這個水平。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:33.688857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:38.831714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
如果你去查的話，卡達是8到11塊，應該是低一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:39.131714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:40.560286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
的確比較低。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-08T10:31:40.860286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-08T10:31:43.146000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
好，有請楊瓊瓔委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |