| IVOD_ID |
168226 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168226 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T10:12:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T10:22:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb00991be9e8f6c108d1607b63c45e41aa0212c5ce4660756d315f377d25edfc7d75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:18 - 10:22:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥率相關情報機關首長提出「國家情報工作暨國家安全局業務報告」，並備質詢。） |
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主席有請這個局長我們請局長謝主席 陳委員長主席 局長大家早安剛才聽取了局裡面的報告我個人深感有關國家安全以及我們國家的核心利益它是一體兩面它是沒有妥協的空間那麼今天在場的所有涉及國安的 |
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部會首長也都在場那麼除了國防部部以外幾乎都在場了所以我今天會用幾個方法論提供一些建議做參考那大家現在實際上我們的人才濟濟但是在橫向整合的過程中間我們還有一些努力的空間提出一些頭像尤其是剛剛局長也提到了 |
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国外的媒体也有时候是为了他的商业利益做出一些不正确的资讯的这个残破那也许会影响到我们国内明星士气的判断那我下面这张图这个刚才您提到了就是2015年 |
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2025年的美國國家安全戰略它是11月出來的那麼接著就是國防戰略那下一個版本就等著軍事戰略那我們關注要看的是什麼就是印太戰略那 |
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去年我曾经代表我们院里面接待了15个美国国会助理团,都是法案助理,资深的助理团,也跟他们做了很多意见交换,他们提出来了,就是说因为他们有一个完整的国家安全战略,所以你看到这上面四个面向,四个P,就是在军事的能力上面,他们是预做准备, |
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在这个外交事务上他是做预防措施那么在他的经济上面他是要追求经济另外就是对于他的高科技内部安全管制法律手他是要做一个保护所以四个批那实际上就是包括美国的国务院现在叫做战争部还有CIA还有他的国会他们都有一个专门的特别小组研究中国大陆所有的行政军事企图 |
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他们因为是可以横向交流所以有很多资料的分享因为我们目前还没有一个我们国家版的国家安全战略就是官方版那两个面向第一个是对国际的国家来讲他看不到我们的官方版就是对我的核心利益的价值观在评估上面会跟现实面有点落差 |
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第二个就是国内的人士看不到官方版的国家安全战略因为我们现在只有国防战略你看这个上次的印太战略他们因为把AI当作工具所以现在各部会用分享资料上速度非常快最下面一个就是他在那个上一个版本的印太战略讲就是说我们台湾保有做两岸交流的自我决定这是他讲的话 |
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那下一个就看国家安全战略国防战略军事战略印太的下面的战略因为我们国家目前还没有没有国家安全战略那么QDR四年期国防总检讨美国在2017年就已经停止了现在是国防战略一样四年一本下面呢就是他的军事战略我们刚刚 |
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发表了我们的国防报告书可是在去年十月国防报告书出来的时候还没有提到台湾之盾也就是说这个东西将来要做滚动的修正了要把这个理念倒进去那现在就是说我还是建议从国安的角色像我们政府希望在这个执政党的任内能够推出官方版的这个公开版当然有机密的内部这样子对其他的国际的学者智库有人来看的时候 |
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就比較容易掌握我們的核心價值 |
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剛剛您在提到就是最近這個美國日本以及菲律賓他們都在強化對這個東海南海整個的監控那我這個資料也是從不同的資訊裡面把剛才您那個簡報裡面部署的菲律賓還有日本部署的這些武器裝備Sensor涵蓋範圍也做了一個套疊以及日本 |
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公開版的因為上次我在國防研究院也碰到日本來訪的學者他也說你們這個圖怎麼做我們說是利用GIS做個校正把圖套疊出去你就可以看到一個大範圍的圖共同圖像我們在作業過程中共同圖像需要有很多工程的背景不是光一般的行政幕僚會用的這個大家我們共同努力我也可以把資料跟局裡面做分享 |
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这样才产生了一个叫JCAPJoin,Original Picture所以看到的范围不仅止于台湾防空识别区乃至于旁边到宫古海峡下面到这个巴丹岛到南海这个都可以显示那这个图各位看是一个大的防空识别区因为这个海委会主委在他的这个脸书上公布了说这个中共的这个船 |
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我們把套疊上去這是今天早上的防空這是國防部公布的把這個圖套上去再比較周遭的環境這個時候看出來的東西就比較客觀一點 |
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像這個圖就是大範圍涵蓋了朝鮮半島日本東海南海台海那這是最近中共部一個限航區對不對但是他並沒有真正向IKEA申請那我們國內對這個判斷上就心裡會產生壓力因為他的時間很長了1327到5月6號那我們怎麼做呢第一個你要把上海飛航航線 |
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不是光台灣的飛航情報區不是防空識別區是飛航情報區裡面的航線套疊上去我這邊可以顯示給各位看這個大區顯示出來了 |
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這是今天早上的民航機的線路背景再把上海的航線套疊起來你發現並沒有影響但是因為公開的資訊很有限在民間有時候會誤解可能會遭到心理上的誤判這個時候如果有人帶風向就變成你內心不安或是做出一些不是智當的反應這裡面都套成四層圖到五層圖了 |
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用這種方法論這是台灣的這個國際航線所以我們要顯示說要把上海飛航情報局的航線也把它抓出來那去對應的軌跡圖就可以做出結果那剛才您的報告裡面提到中共對海欄的狀況像在海峽中間有很多的破壞那我們就把海欄的圖經過校正全部顯示出來那麼再去跟 |
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不同的海揽跟不同的公司有中華電信有遠傳各自簽約的廠商了解到這個如果有意外的時候修復它要多少時間那這做一個參考 |
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这里面比较一个新的问题就是您刚刚里面提到就是现在实际上在国际情势里面看的就是这个我讲心理战媒体战法律战它纠结在一起现在是用AI对抗AI那在这个科技进步下法条的规则要更新 |
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要跟得上AI那治理競賽那這裡面就是法律戰的作為心理戰的作為媒體戰作為我們中間會發現產生很多的假信息還有就是所謂的deep fake那最後是什麼希望導致你對一個事情的看法誤判下了一個錯誤的決心做了一個錯誤的決定 |
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然後全民買單付出一個很錯誤的代價這個是我們要預防的尤其是中共的這個心理戰上面這過程中間所以它是三個面向那現在AI的技術非常進步那這個東西要大家滾動修正那將來我們還有機會再互動那這只是顯示一個所有跟AI相關的議題最後我們要因為這個月份國防部也要做這個漢光演習 |
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那这里面实际上把AI导入的技术从它的节奏性你的基础防卫流程你涵盖的范围不同的层次以及能源现在讲穿了能源就是国安运善能力也是国安所以我们建议就是未来不管是执政在野我们要团结一心国家安全是不可以妥协请这个局长您做个回应 |
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好 謝謝幾個重點跟委員做一些補充的說明第一部分是有關於國家安全戰略的部分那這部分委員先前也有多次的提醒我們內部會再來提出相關的討論那我知道委員也有相關的一個立法的提案那假如需要本局來提供意見的話我們很樂意來參與相關的一個意見的交流 |
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那第二部分是有關於一些圖資的彙整怎麼樣用一個比較全面有系統的方式來呈現我們所面臨到比較複雜的國家安全包括海洋安全的一個圖像那這個部分我們跟委員辦公室也一直有在聯繫我們在這一部分也是我們努力的方向所以不管今天的公開版或機密版的部分我們都做相關的一個圖示的嘗試讓大家更能夠了解基本的一個樣態 |
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那第三個部分是有關於中共所劃設的這個空域保留區那確實沒有影響到民航的部分因為我們第一時間就跟民航局有做過確認那他並沒有影響到民航的任何的航班航線也不用再跟上海飛航情報局做任何申請都不用 |
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那我們判斷主要可能還是有點在測試外機在相關空域活動的狀況那因為有能力在當地空域活動的外機大概還是以美國為主所以我們後續再來注意美中在這一塊空域相關互動的情形那中共有沒有在相關的空域進行軍事演訓我們也會跟國防部合作透過聯合情監偵來做密切的一個助手謝委員 |
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謝謝局長我們大家共同努力謝謝陳永康委員接下來我們請羅美玲委員 |