| IVOD_ID |
168225 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168225 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T10:12:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T10:22:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb09b646b8b1e766b05f747912251df0827212c5ce4660756d3fd79bbc0b0a3b3945ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:26 - 10:22:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長林宜敬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【4月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席 本席邀請我們樹瓜部林部長來 請林部長林委員早安部長早部長 最近有發生LINE的資料外洩的問題是LINE在台灣的市佔率多少 你知道嗎在通訊軟體啊 是LINE的市佔率啊 大概90%是 |
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那它的使用滲透率就真正有在使用通訊軟體的大概有93%是就15歲到65歲是這個市佔率九成是就是大概壟斷了是那第二個使用滲透率93那幾乎是全民在使用是九成三每個人都在用那裡是 |
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所以在台灣我可以說在通訊軟體LINE是絕對的主導的一個平台沒有第二第二離他非常遠所以台灣人很奇怪全民都愛用LINELINE如果出現安全的危機這個影響非常大這次大概有多少人受害 |
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部長你有沒有掌握目前還有為什麼就是某一家電信公司的用者是好像是台哥大是他用者幾乎都是他的台哥大使用者被駭客盜取是為什麼目前台哥大他接貨的那個客宿只有16件但是據我們了解這個數目量受害的民眾遠超過16個人那很多人可能是發生這個問題以後他沒有去進行客宿那 |
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這個事情就是基本上是兩個就是我們先講說那個台灣大哥大事實上發生這個問題的帳號大部分是來自於那個台灣之星的帳號因為之前台灣大哥大病了台灣之星然後台灣之星那些帳號原來他的設定他的語音信箱的密碼就是有一個固定的就是0000或1234所以駭客知道這個事情以後他們就是利用這個漏洞去表示這個就是有治安漏洞了是對不對 |
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NINE如果出事情以它在台灣的壟斷地位那就影響到很多人所以我也想要跟部長提一件事如果客戶使用NINE受害了NINE能夠做哪些事情 |
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或者說政府對於使用者的保護OK你知不知道其實使用者跟line他是有一個定型化契約是蘇團署有沒有來林署長來這個這個就是 |
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我們消費者這應該是書端書寫的啦說不寫的電信化契約這個電信化契約裡面他就寫著任何這個是適用於任何的通訊平台不是只有那裡啦如果你招冒用就你的帳號被冒用了那麼這個平台應該要回復到該帳號的使用來保護使用者嘛第二個 |
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如果你經營者的系統被突破不法入侵或破壞那麼你要採取合理的措施趕快給他回覆並且對於消費者所受的損害要負培養責任那這個定型化契約啊有啦這政府定的喔那根本啊沒有在執行也沒有辦法做到保護消費者就是使用者的權利啦 |
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你如果被盜用了那麼你的帳號是沒有辦法完全回覆如果你沒有綁google沒有綁什麼line會叫你重新申請一個帳號這第一個啦第二個你的帳號被冒用以後那麼line它只能回覆你部分的功能就你有花錢買了一些東西啦 |
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那其他的你的好友不見了你參加的群組都不見了你的好友你還要一個一個去加回來那你之前在跟好友之間的彼此之間往來的資訊還有你加入的群組全部都不見了這完全沒有達到我們速發部的跟業者以及消費者之間你所訂出來的這個定型化契約 |
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是不是這樣子那署長你的意見是 跟委員回報NINE的部分在這件事情的處理他就是沉入委員剛剛講的不過他現在正在調查受損的使用者有多少所以我們還沒有跟他再洽談進一步的這個這個定期化契約的法律的問題你沒有回答我的問題啦OK 我來申請問NINE不是現在才發生使用者被冒用帳號被盜用從以前到現在 |
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只要你的那出問題那公司都沒有辦法回覆你了是那他也不會賠償你了 |
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那你的資料所有的東西通通不見了跟委員說明一下我們如果說以最近發生的這件事情來講的話這個事實上是兩家公司兩個不是很大的資安漏洞但是這兩個資安漏洞結合起來就變成一個大的資安漏洞那這個責任歸屬到底是在台灣大哥大還是在line上面我想這個可能就是說到時候會必須是我是消費者我是使用者你們之間的責任那關我什麼事情 |
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你要回復我的權益啊按照這個契約寫的你的帳號要還我啊那我之前在這個通訊平台裡面的內容資料你要還我啊你要復原啊 |
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否則你就不要訂這樣的一個契約嘛你訂這個契約喔這個是我們政府書發部書發部寫的定型化契約你現在寫了沒有辦法保護消費者現在就是說對於系統遭不法入侵或破壞齁那這個事情其實在解釋上面就是說對賴來講的話那是因為從你以前 |
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你現在跟我講是最近發生的事我跟你說從以前到現在 現在都不是做這種事任何通訊軟體都沒有依照我們電信化契約去做回覆帳號還有他的內容從來沒有因為我們在那個 |
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所以他有做一個叫做再次登入的功能就是你如果說帳號被盜然後在24小時之內你當部長你當部長你去了解清楚是沒有錯沒有問題這個事情你的耐使用者你的好友就全部消失了你要一個一個加回來你的群組就都沒了你買一個一個去找回來是 |
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所以要嘛你就修改電信外企業你做不到你就不要下你如果寫出來你就要求通訊軟體業者你要做到這樣的事情我們會強烈監督一年來LINE的客戶投資有多少件這個我不知道這個要跟LINE才會知道你們的資料有啊大概有我掌握資訊大概五千多件一百多件 |
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等一下這個是講的是說給倒數殘除的那個倒數殘除的客戶是不是還是倒賴的客戶五千多件啊那很多就是他的客戶的資料會消失所以我想說喔伯父既然 |
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國人幾乎通訊軟體都是使用LINE市佔率也到達九成使用者滲透率是93%幾乎就是台灣的國民通訊軟體那麼我們就應該要求LINE啊任何系統都可能會發生類似這種 |
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這種安全漏洞你要趕快把它補起來你要加強你的防護不要再發生如果萬一發生了那麼你應該做到至少按照我們契約上寫的你要維護消費者的權利因為帳號要行那人家原來帳號裡面的內容你要給人家恢復啊 |
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是對不對不然我們政府這個進行外宣你你就改你就改做不到你就不要寫委員那個我們這個絕對會努力的但是這個因為個案每一個個案裡面都是通常會有些不少那我希望部長要特別重視這個事情因為LINE這個通訊軟體 |
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特別不一樣全世界任何國家沒有一個通訊軟體示範率這麼高的是相對的喔這個已經有已經達到我們國安層級了我都是直接找他們台灣的董事長還有那個日本的那個團隊直接來談如果那有一天他整個掛掉了我們彼此之間大家都沒有辦法聯絡是喔是是是這樣好不好好 沒問題好 部長請抓不在努力喔好 我們會加油的謝謝部長 |