| IVOD_ID |
168204 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168204 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T09:21:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T09:31:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb0252c47c948c5ff5aa7afadf2dd1952ec413b5cd1255e94440be9ff9e72e124835ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:21:59 - 09:31:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「台美關稅協定（ART）中關於『擴大採購及購買』（原油、天然氣、發電設備等）項目之評估、規劃及涉及之問題與工作，並就台灣中油股份有限公司之增資案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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委員發言謝謝主席我請一下這個經濟部部長還有中油董事長請部長跟中油方董事長 |
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部長早部長我想今天我們來討論這個中油增資的議題那整個中東的戰事升溫其實全球都面臨到這個能源的油價或者是天然氣的價格持續的攀高 |
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中油從3月23號開始宣布汽柴油每公升漲1.8塊對不對柴油漲1.4塊那其實相對反映國際的油價其實這個國際的油價應該要上漲大概是15塊嘛是不是這樣所以中油自己吸收了成本大概是13.2塊的成本 |
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所以我按照這個中油自己對外公布從2月28號開始的三個禮拜大概吸收了將近65億元的這些成本如果到4月的時候應該已經吸收達到90.6億元那剛剛幾個報告包括未來的天然氣的對外採購等等 |
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中油自己評估如果這個戰事繼續延續的話中油將會整個吸收成本要逼近2000億所以經濟部在這個時候提出了增資案部長我想進一步請教 |
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當然中友這個時候提出的增資案我必須替中友抱屈一下其實在過去幾年包括從二屋戰爭開始我們過去一直在幫台電提出增資在幫台電說話可是好像大家都一直忽略到中友其實中友不是現在才提出希望增資 |
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他們從2022年就提出希望有200億的增資23年提出希望增資1000億24年25年也一直提出這個增資的要求但是經濟部一直到現在中油的負債比已經高達92.5了已經快要破產了 |
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經濟部終於同意讓中油增資3500億部長或者是中國董事長你們可以回答一下3500億能撐多久如果中油這次增資不成功的話中油還可以撐多久 |
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来董事长中油公司可以称多少其实看这个中东事件它所影响的期间到达什么样一个范畴我想说明就是说增资三千五百亿的考虑当然中东这个事件是临时发生在月初我们提出来的三千五百亿主要的原因是两项第一个就是去填补在去年年底我们的累计亏损 |
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第二個就是114年的累計虧損另外一個就是為了天然氣對能源轉型來講天然氣相關計畫的韌性的提升為了未來的韌性提升所需要的資金做一個統整提出3500億的需求 |
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這個這個董事長你還是沒有完全回答我的問題那這三千五百億夠不夠你花你現在講的這一些包括任性的需求能源轉型的需求 你可以講一下嗎這三千五百億要花多久那現在不知道立法院會不會通過喔藍白的委員不曉得會不會支持這個增資案喔所以增資案如果沒過立法院沒通過的話 中油還能夠撐多久 |
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因為行政院現在協助中油的部分大概有三個面向一個是專案融資專案融資也謝謝行政院秘書長在幫我們做這個跟香港還有其他的銀行來做協商第二個就是撥補的部分用預算來撥補是用特別預算還是怎麼樣的預算來撥補填補這個就是吸收的這個部分 |
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那增資的這個部分主要還是用來未來投資之用剛剛董事長有特別提到了將來有很多的設備需要投資下去部長你講到的這些錢還是都要立法院通過不管是不是用特別預算對今年度的總預算都沒過了你的特別預算要編在哪裡要編在哪一年度特別預算要怎麼處理如果 |
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立法院藍白主導的立法院持續不通過預算持續不給錢中油能夠撐多久這個你們都一直不敢正面回答這個問題喔第二個我要談的就是說中油現在講的都是進口我們一直在談進口能源嘛包括要跟美國採買包括這個ART要去跟美國採買你的強化韌性還是都是在進口中油其實過去自己是有投資的 |
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包括你們投資的其他的礦田 印尼 厄瓜多 甚至查德你們其實都是有投資的那我不知道從什麼時候開始過去的投資事業 合約到期之後 一個一個都收起來了你們現在唯一還有持續在投資的也是現在在幫你們賺錢的是查德的油田 對不對董事長 是不是這樣 |
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是的一個公司一個完整的能源公司的營運其實你是不是應該透過上游有一些開採下游有一些進口其實你的開採跟進口不能說它比重是相同但是你還是要有一些比例上的分配 |
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現在看起來中油大概仰賴進口的比重已經超過90%你們自己的碳採你們自己的開採投資海外礦區的投資是不是已經完全停滯 |
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那現在中東戰火這樣子過去投資查德的錢投資查德的這個計畫目前看起來算是短暫有幫中油有獲取到的一些利益喔但是未來呢在整個能源公司在中油整個能源配置 |
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的計畫裡頭你們有沒有什麼新的想法或者是更精進更積極的作為這個是董事長要回答嗎謝謝邱委員的指導確實我們在國外的礦區裡面這幾年查的礦區是給我們帶來收益 |
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那麼對於這個國外礦區的部門發展目前是訂出來在119年我們所謂的國外的自由遊園要達到10%那現在大概不到5%了後續我們會加倍努力那麼我們也訂出一些優先順序 |
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所謂優先順序就是以權益併購為主要因為它比較快速就可以取得遊園同時對於政經環境比較優良的地區也當成首選譬如說美國北美地區或是澳洲這個當成是一個首選那麼第二個順位就是像東南亞這些國家這些也當成第二個選擇總之我們在119年要達到10%的目標 |
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119年能夠達得到嗎我現在看起來中油第一個你已經快要破產快要沒錢了你連自己國內的營運都已經快要成問題了更何況你是要去併購或者是要去海外做投資你的錢在哪裡如果增資不成功 |
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如果特別預算的撥補不成功我很擔心中油會撐不下去這個也是經濟部應該這是迫在眉睫要去處理的問題部長這個可能 |
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可能還是要請你們跟立法院的委員們多多拜託啦那這個也要讓大家了解到整個戰火整個這個戰爭影響到了國際的能源的議題包括中油你不能一直叫中油這個吸收成本中油連續虧損七年 |
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那這個虧損政府其實早就應該要做一些政策性的調整來協助中油包括我剛剛講的你們的海外探勘海外的礦區的配置這一些投資其實應該都要納在你們未來的年度計畫裡頭這個可能要重新去思考整個中油未來的營運好不好謝謝委員指教 |