| IVOD_ID |
168121 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168121 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-01T10:40:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-01T10:56:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6ae3a98a11df106c38e68aed46b3295d7570c8d4d2e9dc784047e563c2ae16098a3d5adc657703f85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:40:12 - 10:56:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、衛生福利部、原住民族委員會就「穩定原住民族就業、改善低薪與勞動權益保障，並縮小職業災害發生率及死亡率差距之執行現況與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請勞動部、衛生福利部就「開放家有十二歲以下子女家庭逕行申請外籍家事移工政策，對本國勞工就業、照顧體系負擔、兒童最佳利益及相關權益保障之衝擊評估與制度配套」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請勞動部、衛生福利部、行政院、行政院人事行政總處、銓敘部、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、法務部，就「職場霸凌申訴機制之檢討：以顏慧欣案為例，如何建構員工心理健康與職場保障機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
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好 謝謝主席那個 理事你不用上來你待會事情一個禮拜再不處理我就請這個主席來排專報再不行我就直接拜託主席直接到你們那個衛務部去考察好 謝謝來 接下來請部長好 有請黃部長均如細言 小心一點 |
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部長我們農政部推的在你主政之下育嬰假的這個新制嘛那女性的申請率從原本的72.2降為到55.6看圖表齁那這個少了16.6的這樣的一個成績啦雖然是一個突破但還是有56.6的女性齁能有請育嬰假的這樣的需求顯示照顧的兒童的責任還是以女性為主嘛齁這個不為過嘛對不對 |
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然後主計處主計總署跟衛護部的統計 |
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近年婦女層因為結婚而離子的主因以被孕或懷孕為最大中將近快40%左右2023年這個媒體又做出相關的報導台灣女性就有33萬人因為要照顧家庭而退出勞動市場他怎麼統計啦 怎麼基礎然後年齡到幾歲這個就要你們這邊來做相關的這樣的一個調查評估 |
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不過33萬在對照那一次在這邊提出質詢的時候一年流失了13萬3左右顯然這個數據越看是越恐怖但是基本基礎這個有時間再做討論所以不論是育嬰假還是今天召委安排的這個專報我想都是要解決照顧離子的問題讓女性可以安心續留讓台灣的女性勞工可以安心續留 |
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我們是不是要對比你對外勞的安心續留的相關的因應這個措施跟這樣的一個政策是不是要有所做一些處理了不管是身為孕女的方式有十種類別的這樣的一個勞動的一個情況他可能就有十種的選擇一定會有孕婦或母親選擇離開職場在一段的時間內全身心的來專心帶孕或陪伴孩子的成長 |
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但也或許就是這一段時間的陪伴,當小孩進入小學或中學時,女性就應該能夠重回職場。但部長可以看這張圖表,這是從台灣、日本、南韓、新加坡、美國、瑞典。這個圖表,部長可以看,台灣的這個曲線圖,長得就特別不一樣。 |
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它到了77點應該是這麼講在高點是89.9然後就每況愈下然後到最後是26這個地方這個曲線跟你在對照南韓南韓還有一年它是往上升的 |
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往上升的那其他各國它是維持穩定的一段時間可能平均都還要在應該是81到86左右它可能到近幾年它才是最來勢的這樣下跌這個曲線圖給部長做一個這樣一個參考 |
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我提供這個表是說從30歲就直直往下掉底下還有歲數的一個標誌然後對比其他國家30歲雖然各國也都有明顯往下降的趨勢但40歲左右都好像還會再回升一下會再回升然後以南冷為例剛剛特別提到就曲線最明顯連鄰近的日本也是這個樣子 |
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所以政府希望女性不用照顧兒離子但這群離子的女性願意重回職長時那應該是整個國家社會求之不得的一個勞動力嘛對不對那怎麼台灣反而是回不去了 |
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所以勞動部在規劃婦女再就業計畫從112年到911號到今年的8月31號為止鼓勵婦女自主訓練精進原有職能訓練完成並辦理求職登記就發給2萬的獎金如果訓練完成180內經推介 |
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推介就業或自行就業者再發給一萬元也就是成功的訓練完成並在180天內完成就業的再就業的婦女就可以拿到三萬元這是一個好的政策啦這是一個好的政策那是怎麼還會這個最危險的下降然後剛剛對這個圖表台灣女性30歲之後就難以再回到職場所以我覺得這三萬塊是不是不夠 |
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因為今年8月31號就要結束了,勞動部會再升級護理債就業2.0嗎? |
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根本說明其實我們近期其實是如火如荼在討論跟研議針對這個婦女在就業計劃要有一個升級版那在講的原因也是剛才就像委員剛才說的我們的確看到臺灣的這個二度就業婦女重回職場的比率相比於其他的國家其實還是比較偏低的所以看起來我們的確可能在一些條件上面會需要更加的放寬或者力道也要加大這是我們 |
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接下來 我想應該近期就會來跟外界報告自主訓練獎勵啦 從原有的3萬你們是2加1啦 2萬加1萬嘛 對不對有沒有機會變成4加2 |
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就變成到6萬跟我們說明確實我們在考慮剛剛原本是2加1嘛那接下來我們也在思考是不是加碼到就是委員講的這個數字就4加2嘛對好不好我們就朝這個方向努力了我們來努力我們願意我願意朝這個數字來努力這個應該一個月內可以來做決定吧我希望更快好我們不只是鼓勵這個我們所有的婦女的就業2.0就他們的這樣的 |
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可以回到職場再持續的來貢獻這樣的一個勞動力除此之外鼓勵勞工我們也要鼓勵企業嘛那你們企業是這樣除了獎勵護女在就業外針對這些聘用在就業的企業勞動部也給予一個月值缺是3000塊每月3000塊的獎勵啦最長是12個月嘛對不對那也讓這些鼓勵配合我們政策的這些企業勞動部是不是也一併要加碼 |
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跟委員說的確因為除了錢以外我們也在檢討他的一些機制那這個機制裡面我們也看到其實很多二度就業的父母他從回智障他有他在工時上面的期待跟需求比方說他會比較希望他的工時不一定是那麼長 |
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或者是有一些公食因人而异的调整的空间所以我们的确也在研议如果企业愿意来协助二路最后的妇女在做公食的调整或相关的支持措施的话我们也会加码这个奖励金这部分也是我们在规划研议的其中一个重要的部分 |
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就是等於婦女再就業的2.0版針對女性勞工也針對願意配合的這些企業嘛是 我剛才講的這部分就給企業企業願意給予勞工彈性跟工時的一些調整的機制我們就願意支持企業好 那我們就4月底前啦 4月底是 可以就已經答應了啦是 沒問題不要是因為今天是4月1號好 謝謝來 再來我們再看 請部長看勞工職場尊嚴 |
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2024的一個屏東地院的判決等一下再看到2025的一個宜蘭的判決這罵新巴克的員工智障然後你奧克在用檳榔鐵去破臉然後標罵 做標罵兩分鐘的王茶蛋還有怒罵店員 |
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XX娘哀告後或判無罪法官說妨害名譽非彰化罪台灣什麼時候有彰化罪我不太懂就是罵彰化不等同於應該是講說罵彰化不等同於妨害不等同於妨害名譽的罪責 |
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這個是下面我就不再贅述了他說這個人雖然罵了勞工之後口出惡言但反而名譽徽章化所以如果因此判有罪法院會變成怎麼道德就查隊也就是過度干涉個人干涉被告個人羞辱介入干涉被告個人羞辱或言行品味的私的領域這已遠於這個 |
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這該罪的正當的保護目的我實在不太清楚這是什麼樣的一個說辭啦那部長有什麼看法如果按照這個敘述的話其實這當然已經是可能是有這個不法侵害職場不法侵害的狀況了有不法侵害的狀況嘛對不對那應該像這樣的一個消費者像這樣的一個顧客應該受到什麼樣的懲處什麼樣的處罰 |
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根委員報告 在職安法裡面目前是要求僱主要對勞工可能遭受不法侵害採取預防的措施採取預防的措施 現在發生了 |
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然後我們的勞工去告了罵他的對象那法院又就這樣處理不是只有這一案,還有依然一案依然入罵超商店員,就王插蛋什麼東西法官以認定為是公然侮辱這兩個20分鐘 |
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店內當時沒有其他人,縱使言語過於粗鄙,令人心生不快,但冒犯及影響程度尚屬輕微,最多算是修養欠佳,因不足以貶損女店員的社會名譽或名譽人格。 |
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那你們現在處理方式 照我們的食安法的處理方式還是針對雇主嘛 對不對最近這一案怎麼處理 統一那個職場怎麼處理各位說明因為相關的法源因為食安法的整部法的這個施行的邏輯裡面最重要的其實就是可以雇主的責任那當然如果對於顧客的部分當然這部分可能就會進入到司法司法的處理跟判決 對 |
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我今天就是要跟部長討論這個事情嘛如果針對勞工受到顧客不當的傷害的情況之下那我們的職安法裡面只有針對 |
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向這個僱主來做是不是有教育訓練是不是有防暴力的指引防範的責任他都有做了假設他都有做了然後這個勞工又被傷害了然後又到法院去訴訟這樣的一個法律訴訟的情況之下又被法官做這樣的一個判決無罪的判決 |
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那你覺得我們這個職安法是不是有輸入之處還是有修正的空間 |
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我引用這兩個例子跟引用統一的這個例子你們最終還是去做正常處理當然你必須要做正常處理是不是有教育訓練是不是有環抱相關的指引如果沒有就是告發了嘛對不對那勞工被傷害了勞工被傷害的回復正義誰來幫助他們來主張誰來幫他們回復 |
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跟各位說明因為職安法整部法他設計的原意就是在處理職場裡面因為職場的指揮或權力關係所造成的傷害所以整個職安法他其實比較絕大部分的對象就是科與雇主相關的責任這是職安法的邏輯對可是現在因為現在遇到的是員工跟 |
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顧客員工跟消費者之間第三者的關係他其實就這個消費者跟員工之間他可能就不是一個雇主跟員工之間的這樣子從屬或指揮的關係下的確會有些部分不容易用責任法去規範到所以就必須回到我們其他的也許刑事法規上面去處理 |
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但是現在就是我跟部長提起的這兩個案件基本上那個受傷受暴力對待受言語暴力對待的勞工通通沒有辦法在法院得到正義上的彰顯嘛所以我才會回到未完委員會來垂詢部長我們該不該面對這個問題該不該來幫助這些在職場上受到傷害的勞工 |
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這一塊已經碰壁了對不對那這一塊你們處理就是針對僱主那受傷勞工他要找誰能不能大家冷靜來思考這件事情這個事情層出不窮啊訴出懷怨又無解啊又做出這樣的解釋啊那怎麼處理 |
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跟委員報告現在在我們這一次的治安法的修法也有提到這個要調查跟處理他雖然是外部的一個人員那我們認為說在後續事情發生後僱主應該還是要提供有關於剛剛法律的一個協助還有心理諮商的一些諮詢協助這個是在我們法上可以要求僱主來做的 |
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懷慮的協助,我不曉得這兩個案例,這個雇主有沒有協助啦即便有協助,判決就這樣,對不對即便有協助,判決就這樣,那雇主有協助啊 |
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那個委員我覺得我們可能的確會需要比方說也許需要跟法務部來討論一些相關是不是有在怎麼樣來協助像這樣子案例的更進一步的可能我懂委員的意思啦就是說既有的法規確實是有些受限在這樣的案例裡面有些受限 |
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我們針對醫護人員在急診的暴力我們也經過好幾年的討論然後節節的提高相關的這樣的一個法則然後對應的方法那勞工的職場何嘗不是他在職業中遇到的暴力的傷害不管言語不管是行為對不對 |
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那我們怎麼沒有去思考所以委員我想針對不法侵害的概念尤其是如果這樣幾個判例或者是案例出來我們可以綜合思考說是不是有些地方可以再更多強化有更多的保護不過的確這個可能要找法務部這邊大家來做一些討論這樣子 |
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對啦 我們不應該說醫事人員在執行這個業務的時候遇到的相關的一些暴力我們就有相關的規範 法則去作為處理護理也是勞工的對象啊他們在衛務部這邊就有這樣的一個處置啊 |
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那整體各類別的勞工遇到這樣在執業的過程受到這樣的不滿青睞言語行為相關的暴力然後訴諸法律求助無母的情況之下那我們只是針對雇主去說你有沒有做教育訓練你有沒有做相關的一些執業如果沒有我就跟你告發那對那個勞工情何以堪 |
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我想我們來正視這個問題好不好 也請部長一個月內可以吧 來研擬相關的營運措施保護勞工在職業過程中不應該再受到這樣的一個傷害啦好 謝謝 好 謝謝主席 謝謝好 謝謝劉建國委員的發言 |
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劉委員建國 |
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謝謝主席，呂次，你不用上來，你答應我的事情，一個禮拜再不處理，我就請主席排專報，再不行我就拜託主席直接到你們衛福部去考察，謝謝。 |
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劉委員建國 |
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接下來請部長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-01T10:40:33.464000+08:00 |
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有請洪部長。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-01T10:40:33.844000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-01T10:40:34.324000+08:00 |
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君無戲言，小心一點！ |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-01T10:40:34.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-01T10:40:43.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-01T10:40:43.058000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-01T10:41:11.958000+08:00 |
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部長，在你主政之下，勞動部推的育嬰假新制，女性的申請率從原本的72.2%降到55.6%，從圖表來看，少了16.6%這樣的成績，雖然是一個突破，但還是有55.6%的女性仍有請育嬰假需求，顯示照顧兒童的責任還是以女性為主，這個不為過，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-01T10:41:13.883000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-01T10:41:31.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
據主計總處及衛福部統計，近年婦女曾因為結婚而離職的主因，以備孕或懷孕為最大宗，將近快40%左右，2023年媒體又做出相關報導，臺灣女性有33萬人因為要照顧家庭而退出勞動市場，這是怎麼統計、什麼基礎、年齡到幾歲，我要請你們做相關的調查評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-01T10:41:43.713000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-01T10:41:56.364000+08:00 |
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不過33萬再對照那一次我在這邊提出質詢的時候，提到一年流失了13.3萬左右，顯然這個數據是越看越恐怖，計算基礎的部分，這有時間再做討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-01T10:41:56.364000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-01T10:42:22.315000+08:00 |
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所以不論是育嬰假，還是今天召委安排的這個專報，我想都是要解決因照顧而離職的問題，讓臺灣的女性勞工可以安心續留，我們是不是要對比你對外勞的安心續留相關因應措施跟政策，是不是要做一些處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-01T10:42:23.756000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-01T10:42:48.695000+08:00 |
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不管是生兒育女的方式，有10種類別的勞動情況，他可能就有10種的選擇，一定會有孕婦或母親選擇離開職場，在一段時間內，全身心來專心待孕或陪伴孩子的成長，但也或許就是這一段時間的陪伴，當小孩進入小學或中學時，女性就應該能重回職場。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-01T10:42:49.316000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-01T10:43:39.877000+08:00 |
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部長可以看這張圖表，這是從臺灣、日本、南韓、新加坡、美國、瑞典，這個圖表部長可以看出臺灣的曲線圖長得就是特別不一樣，它到了77…….應該這麼講，在高點是89.9，然後就每況愈下，最後是到了26這個地方，這個曲線對照南韓，南韓還有一年是往上升的，至於其他各國都是維持穩定的一段時間，可能平均都還應該有81到86左右，可能近幾年才墜崖式下跌，這個曲線圖給部長做個參考。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-01T10:43:45.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-01T10:44:08.131000+08:00 |
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我提供這個表是表示從30歲就直直往下掉，底下還有歲數的標誌，對比其他國家，30歲雖然各國也都有明顯往下降的趨勢，但40歲左右好像都還會再回升一下，以南韓為例，剛剛特別提到，曲線最明顯嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-01T10:44:08.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-01T10:44:21.738000+08:00 |
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連鄰近的日本也是這個樣子，政府希望女性不用因為照顧而離職，但這群離職的女性願意重回職場時，應該是整個國家社會求之不得的勞動力，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-01T10:44:21.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-01T10:44:23.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
那臺灣怎麼反而回不去了？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-01T10:44:25.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-01T10:45:00.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
所以勞動部在規劃婦女再就業計畫，從112年9月1號到今年8月31號為止，鼓勵婦女自主訓練，精進原有職能，訓練完成並辦理求職登記就發給2萬獎金，如果完成訓練180天內，經推介就業或自行就業者再發給1萬元，也就是成功訓練完成，並在180天內完成再就業的婦女就可以拿到3萬元，這是一個好的政策，但怎麼還會墜崖式的下降？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-01T10:45:04.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-01T10:45:10.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
對照剛剛的圖表，臺灣女性在30歲之後就難以再回到職場，所以我覺得這3萬塊是不是不夠？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-01T10:45:12.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-01T10:45:15.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
因為今年8月31號就要結束了，勞動部會再升級婦女再就業2.0嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-01T10:45:18.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-01T10:45:49.886000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，我們近期其實是如火如荼在討論跟研議，針對婦女再就業計畫要有一個升級版，原因就像委員剛才說的，我們的確看到臺灣二度就業婦女重回職場的比率，相比於其他的國家，其實還是比較偏低的，所以看起來，我們可能在一些條件上面的確會需要更加放寬或者力道也要加大，這是我們接下來……我想應該近期就會來跟外界報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-01T10:45:50.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-01T10:45:53.170000+08:00 |
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自主訓練獎勵從原有的3萬，你們是2加1、2萬加1萬嘛，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-01T10:45:53.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-01T10:45:53.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
有沒有機會變成4加2？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:01.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-01T10:46:02.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
變成到6萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:02.401000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-01T10:46:11.425000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，確實我們在考慮的，剛剛原本是2加1，接下來我們也在思考是不是加碼到委員講的這個數字。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:11.705000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-01T10:46:12.505000+08:00 |
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就4加2嘛？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:12.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-01T10:46:12.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:12.866000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-01T10:46:14.546000+08:00 |
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我們就朝這個方向來努力。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:14.926000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-01T10:46:18.388000+08:00 |
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我們來努力，我們願意朝這個數字來努力。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:19.289000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-01T10:46:20.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
應該一個月內可以做決定吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:21.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-01T10:46:22.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
我希望更快。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:22.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-01T10:46:48.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
好，我們不只是鼓勵所有婦女再就業2.0，他們可以回到職場再持續貢獻勞動力，除此之外，鼓勵勞工，我們也要鼓勵企業，企業除了獎勵婦女再就業外，針對這些聘用再就業的企業，勞動部也給予一個月職缺每月3,000塊的獎勵，最長12個月，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:49.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-01T10:46:56.048000+08:00 |
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也鼓勵這些參與配合我們政策的企業，勞動部是不是也一併要加碼？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-01T10:46:57.909000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-01T10:47:34.801000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，的確除了錢以外，我們也在檢討它的一些機制，在這些機制裡面，我們也看到很多二度就業的婦女要重回職場，他有他在工時上面的期待跟需求，他會比較希望他的工時不一定那麼長，或者是有些工時能夠因人而異來調整空間，所以我們的確也在研議，如果企業願意協助二度就業的婦女做工時的調整或相關的支持措施的話，我們也會加碼這個獎勵金，這也是我們在規劃研議其中一個重要的部分。對啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.719 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-01T10:47:35.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-01T10:47:41.605000+08:00 |
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就等於婦女再就業的2.0版，針對女性勞工，也針對願意配合的這些企業。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-01T10:47:41.965000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:47:49.049000+08:00 |
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是，我剛才講的這部分就是給企業，企業願意給予勞工彈性跟工時一些調整的機制，我們就願意支持企業。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-01T10:47:49.049000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-01T10:47:53.331000+08:00 |
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好，那我們就4月底以前，OK，部長已經答應了。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-01T10:47:53.791000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-01T10:47:54.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
是，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-01T10:47:54.692000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-01T10:47:58.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
不要因為今天是4月1號喔！謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-01T10:47:58.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-01T10:48:09.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
再來，我們再請部長看勞工職場尊嚴，這是2024年屏東地院的判決，等一下再看到2025一個宜蘭的判決。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-01T10:48:09.979000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:48:28.515000+08:00 |
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他罵星巴克的員工「智障」，然後女奧客再用冰拿鐵潑人家臉，飆罵店員2分鐘的「王X蛋」，還有怒罵店員「XX娘」，挨告後獲判無罪，法官說妨害名譽非髒話罪，臺灣什麼時候有髒話罪？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.718 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-01T10:48:28.635000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:49:08.122000+08:00 |
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我不太懂，應該是說罵髒話不等同於妨害名譽的罪責，下面我就不再贅述了，他說這個人雖然罵了勞工，口出惡言，但妨害名譽非髒話，如果因此判有罪，法院會變成道德糾察隊，也就是過度干涉被告個人修養或言行品味的私德領域，這已遠離該罪正當的保護目的，我實在不太清楚這是什麼樣的說詞，部長有什麼看法？ |
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0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-01T10:49:10.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-01T10:49:16.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
如果按照這個敘述，這可能已經有職場不法侵害的狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-01T10:49:18.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-01T10:49:21.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
有不法侵害的狀況，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-01T10:49:22.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-01T10:49:25.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
像這樣的消費者、顧客，應該受到什麼樣懲處、處罰？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
林署長毓堂 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-01T10:49:30.065000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-01T10:49:39.571000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，在職安法裡面，目前是要求雇主對勞工可能遭受的不法侵害採取預防的措施。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-01T10:49:40.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-01T10:49:40.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
採取預防措施？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-01T10:49:41.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-01T10:50:17.844000+08:00 |
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但現在發生了，然後勞工去告了罵他的對象，但法院做了這樣處理，不是只有這一案，還有宜蘭的案子，你看，怒罵超商店員「王X蛋、X東西」，法官認為難以認定公然侮辱，這兩個人爭執約20分鐘，店內當時沒有其他人，縱使他言語過於粗鄙，令人心生不快，但冒犯及影響程度尚屬輕微，最多算是修養欠佳，剛剛那個講道德，這個講修養，應不足以貶損女店員的社會名譽或名譽人格。 |
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0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-01T10:50:25.352000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-01T10:50:30.455000+08:00 |
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你們現在的處理方式，照我們的職安法的處理方式，還是針對雇主嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-01T10:50:30.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-01T10:50:31.635000+08:00 |
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最近這一案要怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-01T10:50:32.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-01T10:50:34.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
統一那個職場要怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-01T10:50:35.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-01T10:50:51.805000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，因為相關的法源、職安法整部法的施行邏輯裡面，最重要的其實就是課予雇主責任，對於顧客的部分，當然這部分可能就會進入到司法的處理跟判決。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-01T10:50:52.945000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-01T10:51:13.718000+08:00 |
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我今天就是要跟部長討論這件事情，如果勞工受到顧客不當傷害的情況之下，但我們的職安法裡面只有針對像雇主是不是有教育訓練、是不是有防暴力的的指引。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-01T10:51:14.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-01T10:51:15.199000+08:00 |
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就是防範的責任。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-01T10:51:17.560000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-01T10:51:39.516000+08:00 |
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對，防範的責任，但假設他都有做了，這個勞工又被傷害了，然後又到法院去訴諸法律訴訟的情況之下，又被法官做這樣的無罪判決，那你覺得我們職安法是不是有疏漏之處還是有修正的空間？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-01T10:51:42.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-01T10:51:51.591000+08:00 |
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我引用這兩個例子跟引用統一的這個例子，你們最終還是要去做這樣處理，當你必須要做這樣處理，是不是有教育訓練、是不是有防暴相關的指引？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.883 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-01T10:51:52.231000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-01T10:51:55.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
如果沒有就是告發了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-01T10:51:55.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-01T10:52:00.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
那勞工被傷害的回復正義，誰來幫助他們主張？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-01T10:52:00.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-01T10:52:00.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
誰來幫他們回復？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-01T10:52:04.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-01T10:52:23.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
跟委員說明，因為職安法整部法設計的原意就是在處理職場裡面，因為職場的指揮或權力關係所造成的傷害，所以整個職安法絕大部分的對象就是課予雇主相關的責任，這是職安法的邏輯。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-01T10:52:23.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-01T10:52:44.528000+08:00 |
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可是因為現在遇到的是員工跟顧客、員工跟消費者之間、第三者的關係，就消費者跟員工之間，可能就不是雇主跟員工之間從屬或指揮的關係下，的確有些部分不容易用職安法去規範，所以就必須回到我們其他的，也許是刑事法規上面去處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-01T10:52:45.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-01T10:53:03.995000+08:00 |
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但我現在跟部長提起的這兩個案件，基本上，那個受傷、受暴力對待、受言語暴力對待的勞工通通沒有辦法在法院得到正義上的彰顯，所以我才會回到衛環委員會來垂詢部長，我們該不該面對這個問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-01T10:53:03.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-01T10:53:04.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
該不該來幫助這些在職場上受到傷害的勞工？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-01T10:53:15.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-01T10:53:18.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
這一塊已經碰壁了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-01T10:53:18.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-01T10:53:25.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
這一塊你們的處理就是針對雇主，那受傷的勞工要找誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-01T10:53:25.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-01T10:53:27.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
能不能大家冷靜來思考這件事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-01T10:53:28.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-01T10:53:34.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
這個事情層出不窮，訴諸法院又無解、又做出這樣的解釋，要怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
林署長毓堂 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-01T10:53:38.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-01T10:54:01.474000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
跟委員報告，在我們這一次的職安法修法，也有提到要調查跟處理，雖然他是外部的人員，但我們認為後續事情發生後，雇主應該還是要提供有關於法律的協助，還有心理諮商的一些諮詢協助，這是在我們法上可以要求雇主來做的。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-01T10:54:03.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-01T10:54:09.807000+08:00 |
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法律協助方面，我不曉得這兩個案例的雇主有沒有協助，即便有協助，判決就是這樣，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.838 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-01T10:54:09.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-01T10:54:12.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
即便有協助，判決就這樣，那雇主有協助嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-01T10:54:16.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-01T10:54:32.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
委員，我覺得我們的確會需要……比方說跟法務部來討論一些相關，是不是有在……怎麼樣來協助像這樣子案例更進一步的……我懂委員的意思，就是既有的法規在這樣的案例裡面有些受限，但到底要用什麼方式來保護…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-01T10:54:33.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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2026-04-01T10:54:35.105000+08:00 |
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我們針對醫護人員在急診遇到的暴力，我們也經過好幾年的討論，節節提高相關的罰則及對應的方法。沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-01T10:54:35.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-01T10:54:37.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
那勞工在職場上，何嘗不是他在職業中遇到的暴力傷害？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-01T10:54:37.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-01T10:54:38.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
不管是言語、行為，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-01T10:54:54.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-01T10:54:55.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
我們怎麼沒有去思考？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-01T10:54:56.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-01T10:55:12.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
所以委員，我想針對不法侵害的概念，尤其是這樣幾個判例或者是案例出來，我認為我們可以綜合來思考是不是有些地方可以再有更多強化、有更多的保護，不過的確可能要找法務部，大家來做一些討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-01T10:55:13.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-01T10:55:49.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
對啦，醫事人員在執行業務的時候，遇到相關的一些暴力，我們就有相關的規範、罰則去處理，護理也是勞工的對象，他們在衛福部就有這樣的處置，各類別的勞工在職場執業過程中，受到這樣的不法侵害、言語、行為相關的暴力，然後訴諸法律，卻求助無門的情況之下，我們卻只是針對雇主說你有沒有做教育訓練、你有沒有做相關的一些指引，如果沒有，我告發你，對那個勞工情何以堪？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-01T10:55:52.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-01T10:55:54.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
我們來正視這個問題，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-01T10:55:54.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-01T10:55:55.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
是，當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-01T10:55:54.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-01T10:55:58.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
也請部長一個月內來研擬相關的因應措施，可以吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-01T10:55:58.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-01T10:56:02.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
保護勞工在執業過程裡面，不應該再受到這樣的傷害。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-01T10:56:04.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-01T10:56:05.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
謝謝主席，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-01T10:56:05.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-01T10:56:05.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
謝謝劉建國委員的發言，謝謝洪申翰部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-01T10:56:06.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-01T10:56:08.193286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
現在休息10分鐘。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-01T10:56:08.493286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-01T10:56:09.636143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
休息（10時56分） |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-01T10:56:09.936143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-01T10:56:11.650429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
繼續開會（11時6分） |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-01T10:56:11.950429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-01T10:56:15.950429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
現在繼續開會，請王育敏委員質詢。 |
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0 |